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Post by hateswinter on Jul 18, 2016 9:36:12 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why college sand hasn't been started up for men? Is it in the near future?
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Post by haze on Jul 18, 2016 9:55:33 GMT -5
Title IX. Probably not anywhere at all in the near future unfortunately. It would really help the game on the mens side significantly.
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Post by johnbar on Jul 18, 2016 9:58:13 GMT -5
I think there have been two other threads on this in the past year. My explanation:
(1) The small number of men's indoor programs (compared to women's) makes it much harder to do the soft, leveraged launch that women's college beach VB has had.
(2) Title IX.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 18, 2016 10:02:05 GMT -5
Its Title IX. Id love to see the schools that do womens add it as a club sport since the facilities are already there.
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Post by chicory on Jul 18, 2016 11:59:31 GMT -5
I believe some community colleges in SoCal are doing it.
Beach not Sand 😀
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Post by Wolfgang on Jul 18, 2016 12:47:49 GMT -5
In my dream, football would be outlawed everywhere. This would open up a whole boatload of sports for men. Of course, this will never happen.
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Post by crawdaddy on Jul 18, 2016 13:27:14 GMT -5
Anybody know if there are specific efforts (I would assume by USAV) to promote men's club sand volleyball? Seems really important step to help develop talent. As evidenced by our results in age-group international events including the recent World University Games, our pipeline on the men's side is pretty weak.
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Post by hateswinter on Jul 18, 2016 17:06:04 GMT -5
Step one would definitely have to be getting the club teams at the college level up and running. In addition, the Beach High Performance pipeline needs to focus its efforts outside of California in addition to inside Calfiornia. Without interest from the rest of the country it will be hard to take off.
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Post by Not Me on Jul 18, 2016 18:46:56 GMT -5
It's not title ix. There just isn't enough of support from pretty much anywhere to add it as a sport.
The AVCA barely acknowledged men's indoor as a sport. They were the ones who drove the women's beach initiative and pushed that.
But if you took men's indoor back and made it a developing sport, are there even enough teams to turn it into a full NCAA sport?
That's what women's beach needed to go through first.
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Post by Not Me on Jul 18, 2016 18:48:32 GMT -5
Btw, originally John Dunning proposed that beach VB be a co-Ed sport.
I'm the best of 5, there would be 2 mens's matches, 2 women's matches and one mixed.
That would have spread the talent and made things very interesting.
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Post by crawdaddy on Jul 18, 2016 19:15:07 GMT -5
Btw, originally John Dunning proposed that beach VB be a co-Ed sport. I'm the best of 5, there would be 2 mens's matches, 2 women's matches and one mixed. That would have spread the talent and made things very interesting. This is a great idea. Too bad it didn't happen. . |
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Post by ebes1099 on Jul 19, 2016 9:40:25 GMT -5
In my dream, football would be outlawed everywhere. This would open up a whole boatload of sports for men. Of course, this will never happen. With what money to pay for said sports? Football is one of the few collegiate sports that actually makes money and pays for many of the other sports to happen. But, yes, I get your point that it takes up a lot of the men's scholarships and really limits the options for other men's sports. |
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Post by ardatak on Jul 25, 2016 18:04:20 GMT -5
In my dream, football would be outlawed everywhere. This would open up a whole boatload of sports for men. Of course, this will never happen.
That's a fairly ignorant and myopic statement. Football is a great refuge for kids who aren't born with exceptional talent or perfect genetics. The average chubby kid can work hard and have a great experience playing football even though he'd never be a good soccer or basketball player. As much as I love beach, it's ultimately going the way of 7 footers so 90% of the boys out there have no competitive shot at it anyway.
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Post by chicory on Jul 25, 2016 20:31:45 GMT -5
Not disagreeing with your as a whole, but the average chubby kid can work hard and be in good shape if he wants to.
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Post by love2vball on Jul 26, 2016 13:34:57 GMT -5
In my dream, football would be outlawed everywhere. This would open up a whole boatload of sports for men. Of course, this will never happen. With what money to pay for said sports? Football is one of the few collegiate sports that actually makes money and pays for many of the other sports to happen. But, yes, I get your point that it takes up a lot of the men's scholarships and really limits the options for other men's sports. Possibly a much better alternative would be to not include football in the equation that determines the percentages that affect the ruling of Title IX. Football is the only true money maker at certainly most of the colleges and because of that skewing to revenue, should just be accepted as its own entity. Because the sport generates the bulk of income, if it was eliminated from the equation it would open the doors for additional men's sports like volleyball. I dont think that any womens or mens sports program are naive enough to doubt that the gate generated by college football makes other less attended sports possible on the campuses across the nation. And I doubt many would lobby for it's elimination. |
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