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Post by gamepoint on Jul 24, 2016 12:47:35 GMT -5
Why is it when it comes to hand setting in beach volleyball that many players still believe there is such a rule about how many times the ball can spin? When playing locally, how do you judge a bad hand set? BTW - this video is worth checking out:
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Post by wilsu on Jul 26, 2016 14:50:33 GMT -5
Same thing is written in the refereeing guidelines as follows:
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9. During the action of players setting overhand with fingers, the ball must be played with one quick motion. There must not be any significant movement of the ball downwards whilst in the hands and the ball may not visibly come to rest in the player's hands.
Note: Technically in ALL hand setting actions the ball rests and also moves downward whilst in contact with the hands of the player. It is the quickness of this action that will determine if the "downwards motion" or the "length of the contact" is of visible significance, and consequently a fault.
Note: There are various unique methods of setting and passing the ball in Beach Volleyball. A REFEREE must understand the nature of these ball contacts concentrating on their length (the emphasis quite correctly with the catch or thrown ball is the duration of the contact) and how technically correct or clean the contact was (the emphasis with the double contact is that this is not indicated by the spin of the ball but by the fact that a clear fault – time difference between the two hands that contact the ball – has occurred and that this is visible for the REFEREE).
Note: REFEREES must find consistency of application around duration of contact and try to maintain uniform criteria in ball handling in general not only on a game basis but also from day to day and tournament to tournament.
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Post by butteryhands on Jul 26, 2016 21:13:42 GMT -5
That is all well and good but let's be real. If the ball comes out spinning a bunch then a double did occur. Otherwise it wouldn't be spinning.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 28, 2016 12:32:26 GMT -5
There is no spin here, but I think I see a double.....  |
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Post by slackerdad on Jul 28, 2016 12:38:49 GMT -5
So fake.
...The ball, that is. There is no regulation AVP ball that's pink.
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Post by gamepoint on Jul 28, 2016 14:04:41 GMT -5
I understand (and agree) if the ball comes out spinning like crazy it is a double-contact. But if a ball has a little spin and it felt clean, I don't call it. This is what starts the arguments often.
And Slackderdad... the AVP played with pink Wilson balls on the Mother's Day tournament this year.
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Post by slackerdad on Jul 28, 2016 14:06:58 GMT -5
I stand corrected. Thank you. I'll try to get my hands on those balls. The pink ones too.
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Post by gamepoint on Jul 28, 2016 14:15:30 GMT -5
Just found this as well on vbref.com (not trying to promote his site as he doesn't have advertising or anything... just trying to source it:
Hands
There is a common misconception that hand sets can be judged based on the number of rotations by the ball in the air. No such criterion has appeared in any recognized beach volleyball rule set in recent history. The USAV Beach volleyball rule book clarifies this matter:
Rotation of a set ball may indicate a held ball or multiple contacts during the set but in itself is not a fault.
It's also worth noting that the AVP has followed the trend of the FIVB and USAV in loosening up on hand setting calls. The purpose of this change is to encourage longer rallies, and decrease the number of rallies decided by the officials. Even so, we encourage you to call your own mishandled sets!
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Post by slackerdad on Jul 28, 2016 22:55:58 GMT -5
It seems like calling sets looser will cause shorter rallies. Fewer double contact calls will lead to more hand setting, which will lead to more "butter sets" and resulting kills.
You also have more offensive options on the 2nd contact with your hands above your head than chest-level when you bump set.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 29, 2016 9:02:37 GMT -5
It seems like calling sets looser will cause shorter rallies. Fewer double contact calls will lead to more hand setting, which will lead to more "butter sets" and resulting kills. You also have more offensive options on the 2nd contact with your hands above your head than chest-level when you bump set. In practice what it does is remove one of the most important advantages smaller players have traditionally had. If big guys have to bump set it goes a long way towards evening things out. I'm sure part of this has to do with the improvements in training but I struggle to even think of a truly bad setter now. (a Powers/Hovland/Loiola type setter) |
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Post by butteryhands on Jul 29, 2016 14:06:11 GMT -5
Never be the guy known for not calling his hands.
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Post by rubio4mvp on Jul 29, 2016 23:41:03 GMT -5
gamepoint, you chucked it.
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Post by volleyballjim on Aug 10, 2016 1:26:12 GMT -5
Ball must be contacted SIMULTANEOUSLY with both hands, SO, some forward motion is OK, left-to-right or right-to-left almost IMPLIES one hand moving beyond the other (fault).
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Post by WI FIB on Aug 12, 2016 11:01:10 GMT -5
That is all well and good but let's be real. If the ball comes out spinning a bunch then a double did occur. Otherwise it wouldn't be spinning. Not necessarily. |
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Post by butteryhands on Aug 16, 2016 13:37:10 GMT -5
That is all well and good but let's be real. If the ball comes out spinning a bunch then a double did occur. Otherwise it wouldn't be spinning. Not necessarily. So what else do you think would be causing the ball to spin? |
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