Scenarios

[akbar]

I cringe asking this but in pools of 6 with 4 advancing what do we need to happen if we:

Beat Brazil, France and Mexico 3-2:
I assume in?

Beat France and Mexico 2-4:



Beat Brazil and Mexico 2-4:

[akbar]

? France is very vulnerable too.

Currently based on record/impression based on round 2.....if Brazil beats Canada.

1. Brazil
2. Italy
3. Canada
4. France
5. USA
6. MEXICO

So in theory we lost to the 2 and 3 seed.

I have no reason to think that France is in any better mental position than our Men.


Canada is a hot team and can beat France.

Then it may only come down to that France/Mexico match for us.

Take the 4th seed and play the #1 seed in pool B...

Read more: volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/65021/usa-men-italy#ixzz4GsFTF6WI

[vamovolley]

It really only takes France losing to either Brazil or Canada and us. (Depending on set scenarios). Canada can still also go 2-4 and end up with a worse set record than us.

[future]

20016 Olympic Games Men’s Indoor Volleyball Pool Schedule
All times EDT

Aug. 7
Italy def France, 25-20, 25-20, 25-15
Brazil def Mexico, 23-25, 25-19, 25-14, 25-18
Poland def Egypt, 25-18, 25-20, 25-17
Canada def USA, 25-23, 25-17, 25-23
Russia def Cuba, 25 - 17 25 - 19 22 - 25 25 - 18
Argentina def Iran, 25 - 23 26 - 24 25 - 18

Aug. 9
Argentina def Russia, 25-18, 18-25, 25-18, 25-21
France def Mexico, 25-18, 25-12, 25-22
Italy def USA, 28-26, 20-25, 25-23, 25-23
Poland def Iran 25 - 17 25 - 23 23 - 25 20 - 25 18 - 16
Egypt def Cuba 25-22, 25-15, 25-22
Brazil def Canada 24 - 26 25 - 18 25 - 22 25 - 17

Aug. 11
Iran v Cuba, 8:30 a.m.
Russia v Egypt, 10:35 a.m.
Poland v Argentina, 2 p.m.
Canada v France, 4:05 p.m.
Italy v Mexico, 7:30 p.m.
Brazil vs. USA, 9:35 p.m.

Aug. 13
Iran v Egypt, 8:30 a.m.
Argentina vs. Cuba, 10:35 a.m.
Poland v Russia, 2 p.m.
USA v France, 4:05 p.m.
Canada v Mexico, 8:30 p.m.
Brazil vs. Italy, 10:35 p.m.

Aug. 15
Argentina v Egypt, 9:30 a.m.
USA v Mexico, 10:35 a.m.
Russia v Iran, 1 p.m.
Poland v Cuba, 4:05 p.m.
Italy v Canada, 7:30 p.m.
Brazil vs. France, 9:35 p.m.

Aug. 17
9 a.m. Quarterfinal
1 p.m. Quarterfinal
5 p.m. Quarterfinal
9:15 p.m. Quarterfinal

Aug. 19
noon Semifinal
9:15 p.m. Semifinal

Aug. 21
8:30 a.m. Bronze medal
12:15 p.m. Gold medal

[Reach]

Anything is possible but nothing feels good about the situation.

[vup]

Here's a possible outcome for USA to qualify

Team     Record  Points
Brazil    5-0     14
Italy     4-1     12
Canada    3-2     9
USA       2-3     6
France    1-4     4
Mexico    0-5     0

Breakdown:

Brazil:
def Mexico 3-1 = 3 pts
def Canada 3-1 = 3 pts
def USA 3-1 = 3 pts
def Italy 3-2 = 2 pts
def France 3-0 = 3 pts
=14 points

Italy:
def France 3-0 = 3 pts
def USA 3-1 = 3 pts
def Mexico 3-0 = 3 pts
lose to Brazil 2-3 = 1 pt
def Canada 3-2 = 2 pts
=12 points

Canada:
def USA 3-0 = 3 pts
lose to Brazil 3-1 = 0 pts
def France 3-2 = 2 pts
def Mexico 3-1 = 3 pts
lose to Italy 2-3 = 1 pt
=9 points

USA:
lose to Canada 0-3 = 0 pts
lose to Italy 1-3 = 0 pts
lose to Brazil 1-3 = 0 pt
def France 3-1 = 3 pts
def Mexico 3-0 = 3 pts
=6 points

France: 
lose to Italy 0-3 = 0 pts
def Mexico 3-0 = 3 pts
lose to Canada 2-3 = 1 pt
lose to USA 1-3 = 0 pts
lose to Brazil 0-3 = 0 pts
=4 pts

Mexico:
lose to Brazil 1-3 = 0 pts
lose to France 0-3 = 0 pts
lose to Italy 0-3 = 0 pts
lose to Canada 1-3 = 0 pts
lose to USA 0-3 = 0 pts
=0 pts





(I also posted this in the USA/ITA match thread.)

[akbar]

This is great!

Also possible is that Canada loses steam.

Canada 2-3 win over US/mex 3-0,3-0
USA 2-3 win over France/Mex 3-1,3-0
France 2-3 win over Canada/Mex 3-1,3-0

Getting a 2-3 loss at least against Brazil might be deciding factor.



How about we just run the table and go 3-2......enough of this baloney.

[vup]

Aug 10, 2016 10:47:33 GMT -5 akbar said:

This is great!

Also possible is that Canada loses steam.

Canada 2-3 win over US/mex 3-0,3-0
USA 2-3 win over France/Mex 3-1,3-0
France 2-3 win over Canada/Mex 3-1,3-0

Getting a 2-3 loss at least against Brazil might be deciding factor.

Definitely. Taking 2 sets against Brazil would be huge for both motivation and qualification.

How about we just run the table and go 3-2......enough of this baloney.

We can do it. We were top 3 in 2015--Gold at WC and Bronze at WL in 2015. 

[vamovolley]

Aug 10, 2016 10:39:14 GMT -5 vup said:

Here's a possible outcome for USA to qualify

Team     Record  Points
Brazil    5-0     14
Italy     4-1     12
Canada    3-2     9
USA       2-3     6
France    1-4     4
Mexico    0-5     0

Breakdown:

Brazil:
def Mexico 3-1 = 3 pts
def Canada 3-1 = 3 pts
def USA 3-1 = 3 pts
def Italy 3-2 = 2 pts
def France 3-0 = 3 pts
=14 points

Italy:
def France 3-0 = 3 pts
def USA 3-1 = 3 pts
def Mexico 3-0 = 3 pts
lose to Brazil 2-3 = 1 pt
def Canada 3-2 = 2 pts
=12 points

Canada:
def USA 3-0 = 3 pts
lose to Brazil 3-1 = 0 pts
def France 3-2 = 2 pts
def Mexico 3-1 = 3 pts
lose to Italy 2-3 = 1 pt
=9 points

USA:
lose to Canada 0-3 = 0 pts
lose to Italy 1-3 = 0 pts
lose to Brazil 1-3 = 0 pt
def France 3-1 = 3 pts
def Mexico 3-0 = 3 pts
=6 points

France: 
lose to Italy 0-3 = 0 pts
def Mexico 3-0 = 3 pts
lose to Canada 2-3 = 1 pt
lose to USA 1-3 = 0 pts
lose to Brazil 0-3 = 0 pts
=4 pts

Mexico:
lose to Brazil 1-3 = 0 pts
lose to France 0-3 = 0 pts
lose to Italy 0-3 = 0 pts
lose to Canada 1-3 = 0 pts
lose to USA 0-3 = 0 pts
=0 pts





(I also posted this in the USA/ITA match thread.)

France doesn't even have to lose to both Canada and Brazil. They can beat Canada in this scenario and we would still be above them with equal points.

[c4ndlelight]

France is about to sweep Canada easily. That doesn't seem good for us.

[vamovolley]

Aug 11, 2016 16:08:33 GMT -5 c4ndlelight said:

France is about to sweep Canada easily. That doesn't seem good for us.

It's actually really good. This could leave both of them at the end at 2-3 match record (Canada Beats Mexico, loses to Italy, France loses to USA and Brazil). This would mean we would have 2 teams where it would come down to tiebreakers rather than one (Assuming we lose to Brazil tonight).  

[c4ndlelight]

Aug 11, 2016 16:13:45 GMT -5 vamovolley said:

Aug 11, 2016 16:08:33 GMT -5 c4ndlelight said:

France is about to sweep Canada easily. That doesn't seem good for us.

It's actually really good. This could leave both of them at the end at 2-3 match record (Canada Beats Mexico, loses to Italy, France loses to USA and Brazil). This would mean we would have 2 teams where it would come down to tiebreakers rather than one (Assuming we lose to Brazil tonight).  

Given we've won one set, don't we want to avoid tiebreakers? The problem is, we can now beat France and still not be in for sure.

[akbar]

Aug 11, 2016 16:13:45 GMT -5 vamovolley said:

Aug 11, 2016 16:08:33 GMT -5 c4ndlelight said:

France is about to sweep Canada easily. That doesn't seem good for us.

It's actually really good. This could leave both of them at the end at 2-3 match record (Canada Beats Mexico, loses to Italy, France loses to USA and Brazil). This would mean we would have 2 teams where it would come down to tiebreakers rather than one (Assuming we lose to Brazil tonight).  

I thought about this scenario too.

It will all come down to that France match possibly

[akbar]

Or Canada completely collapses and loses to mexico.

Each have 1 win......then even if we lose to France it again comes down to sets...

That is crazy thinking

[vamovolley]

Aug 11, 2016 16:18:58 GMT -5 c4ndlelight said:

Aug 11, 2016 16:13:45 GMT -5 vamovolley said:

It's actually really good. This could leave both of them at the end at 2-3 match record (Canada Beats Mexico, loses to Italy, France loses to USA and Brazil). This would mean we would have 2 teams where it would come down to tiebreakers rather than one (Assuming we lose to Brazil tonight).  

Given we've won one set, don't we want to avoid tiebreakers? The problem is, we can now beat France and still not be in for sure.

I mean yes, this is a good point, the easiest way for us to be in would have been France going 1-4 but I wouldn't have counted on that.