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Post by vampiro on Aug 19, 2016 13:55:03 GMT -5
I blame Team USA for this loss, they should've brought in Hooker and Tom to bail us out down the stretch. Also, I could see Karch in the stands trolling Speraw (so that he isn't the only loser). Karch trolls NO ONE! And for all the morons who want to blame him or the coaches just don't get it - the women just like with the men, had a team on the floor could have EASILY wrapped their match up, instead they made horrific mental errors - it happens, whether they are young or experienced (see Kerri)…it's just incredibly hard to watch it happen. Both teams are poised for the future, but when it is in your grasp, and you are literally points away from winning a match great players handle the pressure and close it out - not the coaches, not the fans in the stands, or the morons like me yelling at their TV. The talent was there to do it, they didn't get the job done, both teams didn't get beat - they LOST You're missing the point. For the men, there aren't a lot of solutions (aside from teaching mental toughness maybe), this is the best team there is right now. For the women, there absolutely were. Valuable players were essentially kicked out of the team by the coach. And you're saying he's not to blame? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 13:56:24 GMT -5
Italy was always going to be a tough opponent. I won't blame the players, the difference, IMO, was coaching and the fact that Italy have pro leagues and we don't (that's why we can't win the big ones, either by the men or women). Every one of the players on the men's team play in these professional leagues overseas. Argument invalid. I realize that, but there is a difference when you have a pro league in your own country. More college players would go pro and you end up with better coaches to choose from for the national teams. Also, skills are developed earlier for younger players. Lots of other stuff, but I'm too tired to get into it. I've seen many other similar things in other pro sports. |
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Post by Will Rogers Beach on Aug 19, 2016 13:57:30 GMT -5
My prediction: Gold - Russia Silver - Italy Bronze - USA Gold- Italy Silver- Brazil Bronze- USA I thought about it long and hard. Right now, it's all mental. I agree that Russia appears to be the weakest team in the final 4. But, they're the defending Olympic Champions and they have nothing to lose. Italy has not won gold and there is a lot of pressure to win it all. So I went back and forth between Italy and Russia for Gold. Brazil has the Gold to lose. But, the pressure will just get to them. Too much expectation from the entire country. USA will play to its potential in the Bronze medal match. Nothing to lose. So we'll see if my prediction is right. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 13:57:34 GMT -5
I blame myself for this loss! If I wasn't a fan, I'd be living my life in perfect ignorant bliss.  |
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Post by oshkoshdadmjs on Aug 19, 2016 13:58:03 GMT -5
Every one of the players on the men's team play in these professional leagues overseas. Argument invalid. I realize that, but there is a difference when you have a pro league in your own country. More players would go pro and you end up with better coaches to choose from for the national teams. Also, skills are developed earlier for younger players. Lots of other stuff, but I'm too tired to get into it. I've seen many other similar things in other pro sports. And you get late bloomers, see Lipe on Brazil. |
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Post by Sbilo on Aug 19, 2016 13:58:22 GMT -5
Italy was always going to be a tough opponent. I won't blame the players, the difference, IMO, was coaching and the fact that Italy have pro leagues and we don't (that's why we can't win the big ones, either by the men or women). I think that Italy has more experience and it clearly showed tonight. USA's OH and Opp clearly succumbed to the pressure and were just outplayed by Lanza, Juantorena and Zaytsev. I expect USA to be prime for that gold medal in Tokyo with Sander, Russell, Christenson, E. Shoji and Jaeschke all coming back. They just need to find a good Opp and put Anderson back in the OH. USA's real problem now will be losing David Lee. Hopefully Holt stays around until Tokyo. |
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Post by 30killspergame on Aug 19, 2016 14:00:36 GMT -5
Losing Lee will be a problem?? Lol No.. Plenty of young middles to develop.. The key will be to develop Russell and Sander so they are not so vulnerable to floats and mental breakdowns and hopefully matt Anderson can be a little more clutch..
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Post by 30killspergame on Aug 19, 2016 14:02:00 GMT -5
And Please don't put Speraw in the same sentence with Karch when it comes to coaching.. One guy actually earned his spot and the other guy just got it because of his statue as a player..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 14:02:34 GMT -5
At least both basketball teams are heavy favorites. Also, the US women's water polo team is playing Italy right now in the gold medal match and may be exacting some national team revenge. :-)
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Post by guest2 on Aug 19, 2016 14:02:41 GMT -5
Sander and Russel and Anderson all choked. Anderson couldn't put a ball away in set 4 when it got tight. Oh, and a few sets were clearly nervy. OHs couldn't pass or hit or block the entire last game. WTF. Both this and the women's matches were totally winnable. I'm going to be pissy for another couple days now given the men's loss on top of the women's. We should've rested Anderson and Russell in the 3rd set, like Italy did with Zaytsev. Not just them. Holt's hitting percentage through three games was about as good as it gets, but in the last two he went something like 8 in a row without a kill. Speraw did a great job staying composed, but I question whether, given how little he was being set, Aaron Russell should have been in the game. He contributed very little hitting or blocking so couldnt Reid or Jasche have done the same and added some ball control? You want to stick with your players but how Speraw missed how bad Russell was choking is beyond me. Letting a close free ball drop? Micah also broke down a little in the last game and a half. Setting a clearly rattled Russell was a bad choice on 13, and there were some other poor sets. A lot to be encouraged about. Holt, Russell, Sander, Micah and Shoji are a great foundation. I wonder if maybe Russell and Anderson dont end up in opposite positions in four years. |
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Post by KO7 on Aug 19, 2016 14:03:06 GMT -5
I hope Russia thumps Brazil, then USA thumps Brazil. Don't care who wins Gold between Italy and Russia.
Signed,
A Canadian fan whose second favourite teams are USA and Poland as 2a and 2b.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 19, 2016 14:03:42 GMT -5
Let's all stop blaming Taylor Sander please... Please distinguish between the player who passed nails all match from the player who let an overpass drop in at 9-12 in the fifth set.... Not his fault they lost but he didnt play very well. A lot of the match Micah could only set a few guys and count on them an Taylor wasnt one |
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Post by gr8ful on Aug 19, 2016 14:06:18 GMT -5
Karch trolls NO ONE! And for all the morons who want to blame him or the coaches just don't get it - the women just like with the men, had a team on the floor could have EASILY wrapped their match up, instead they made horrific mental errors - it happens, whether they are young or experienced (see Kerri)…it's just incredibly hard to watch it happen. Both teams are poised for the future, but when it is in your grasp, and you are literally points away from winning a match great players handle the pressure and close it out - not the coaches, not the fans in the stands, or the morons like me yelling at their TV. The talent was there to do it, they didn't get the job done, both teams didn't get beat - they LOST You're missing the point. For the men, there aren't a lot of solutions (aside from teaching mental toughness maybe), this is the best team there is right now. For the women, there absolutely were. Valuable players were essentially kicked out of the team by the coach. And you're saying he's not to blame? That's exactly what I'm saying - the coaches on both side fielded a team that was good enough to win, the players didn't get the job done. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 14:09:38 GMT -5
You're missing the point. For the men, there aren't a lot of solutions (aside from teaching mental toughness maybe), this is the best team there is right now. For the women, there absolutely were. Valuable players were essentially kicked out of the team by the coach. And you're saying he's not to blame? That's exactly what I'm saying - the coaches on both side fielded a team that was good enough to win, the players didn't get the job done. Or the coach on the Italian side made better in-game tactical adjustments. |
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Post by 30killspergame on Aug 19, 2016 14:10:49 GMT -5
I think Micah is the best setter in the world but did he go away from the BIC??
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