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Post by hookemhorns on Aug 21, 2016 16:44:13 GMT -5
Will Karche reopen the door for more personal creativity at the service line or will he keep the same strategy of mandating that everyone switch to an agressive float serve. Larson was known to have very top level spin serve but she was forced to change to the jump float. Could a server like Hancock play for the NT if she was unwiling to change her serving style? Service errors were a huge negative in the final four run and China who was #1 in low service errors ended up with the gold.
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Post by hookemhorns on Aug 21, 2016 16:54:50 GMT -5
Is Hancock the #1 spin server in the world? Or would it be Mihajlovic, Kimk10, Boskovic or ?
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Aug 21, 2016 17:07:05 GMT -5
Definitly not Hancock. Boskovic was just clocked with the fastest swing by a women in history (not sure if I believe that) so I would have to say her serve is the best. It is known that the reason Karch doesn't allow jump servers in his gym is they don't serve fast enough to be effective. I heard he told Hancock this very thing about her serve. Speed is everything for him. I know of girls who were told their float serves weren't fast enough for him. Maybe he backs off of it, I doubt it. He believes in his system and he's had, record-wise, good results. I would love for him to figure out how to eliminate the bad service errors i.e. Adams
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Post by jsn112 on Aug 21, 2016 17:18:46 GMT -5
Definitly not Hancock. Boskovic was just clocked with the fastest swing by a women in history (not sure if I believe that) so I would have to say her serve is the best. It is known that the reason Karch doesn't allow jump servers in his gym is they don't serve fast enough to be effective. I heard he told Hancock this very thing about her serve. Speed is everything for him. I know of girls who were told their float serves weren't fast enough for him. Maybe he backs off of it, I doubt it. He believes in his system and he's had, record-wise, good results. I would love for him to figure out how to eliminate the bad service errors i.e. Adams Why are we lumping these servers together, speed-wise? It should be effective-wise. Hancock is a left-hander, which is not the same as the right-hander. Effectively, both will have different results because a left-hander like Hancock is not widely. So the best serve should be based on result, not speed. Even as a defender of Hancock, I never thought that she had the fastest swing. But all she is is the best in the last 10-20 years in women's volleyball when it comes to results. Even the great server like Bricio can't touch her. |
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Post by Disc808 on Aug 21, 2016 17:25:48 GMT -5
As good of a server Hancock may be, is it even worth a spot on the lineup? Has she even played against other countries' A-teams? She has a good serve but she hasn't really proved it against higher-level competition. And there are some strong setters already in the pipeline. I'd love to see her get a chance, but with Carlini, Lloyd, Kreklow, and Glass, I'm unsure if she will. At least in Karch's system (unless he changes)
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Post by Northern lights on Aug 21, 2016 18:05:02 GMT -5
Any system, in any sport, that does not have a provision for exceptional talent is flawed.
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Post by jsn112 on Aug 21, 2016 18:44:58 GMT -5
As good of a server Hancock may be, is it even worth a spot on the lineup? Has she even played against other countries' A-teams? She has a good serve but she hasn't really proved it against higher-level competition. And there are some strong setters already in the pipeline. I'd love to see her get a chance, but with Carlini, Lloyd, Kreklow, and Glass, I'm unsure if she will. At least in Karch's system (unless he changes) I don't understand this logic. If Hancock is on the Women's team today, she would definitely be the team's best server, without a doubt. Or are you saying that Adam's serve is better than Hancock's? If you're questioning her setting ability, then that's another subject. |
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Post by gnu2vball on Aug 21, 2016 19:19:17 GMT -5
As good of a server Hancock may be, is it even worth a spot on the lineup? Has she even played against other countries' A-teams? She has a good serve but she hasn't really proved it against higher-level competition. And there are some strong setters already in the pipeline. I'd love to see her get a chance, but with Carlini, Lloyd, Kreklow, and Glass, I'm unsure if she will. At least in Karch's system (unless he changes) Maybe she could broaden her skill set with a couple iterations at cheer camp? |
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Post by akbar on Aug 21, 2016 19:45:55 GMT -5
The question that none of us can answer is how would she do if she was just the serving specialist, that ONLY gets one shot per game.
The mindset change would take some getting used to I would imagine.
That's a really big change for a player who has been used to serving (and attacking on 2) 3 times in an average game.
All said, I would take that bomb serve in a heartbeat even if it was once rotation a game.
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Post by mrad on Aug 21, 2016 20:02:00 GMT -5
Hancock could be effective if other teams have not seen her before. In tight matches, she could be an asset but the women have other problems besides serving.
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Post by Disc808 on Aug 21, 2016 20:23:32 GMT -5
Depending on the situation, I think Hancock could be an asset. But JLP proved that having another hitter (on both pins and in the middle) who can clean it up when another couldn't is the difference between a win and loss. I mean I think practically every hitter on China had bright spots in certain matches. Having that extra hitter could prove to be very valuable (China had 3 OPPs, 3 OHs, 3 Middles)
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 21, 2016 20:59:12 GMT -5
On the men's side, you expect 75% success. Excuses are tossed out that anything less than an aggressive hard hit jump serve with movement will be rammed right back down your throat. However, I saw several matches that had runs from a simple serve, USA vs Italy in the 3rd set saw Holt go on a long streak. You need to mix up serves to keep the opponent guessing and adjusting but you do not have to have a huge mistake prone jump serve to be the only effective server.
Hancock only serves 80% but aces 10-15% (not counting the lower level competition in the Domican repub) of her serves and keeps the team out of system a similar percentage of the time. The US team as a whole served in the range of 82% during the olympics. That 82% did not result in many aces or out of system contacts. It seems to be time to let servers serve how they are comfortable and familiar and to teach the middles how to actually serve.
Too bad Bricio isn't american
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Post by trollhunter on Aug 21, 2016 22:21:08 GMT -5
The question that none of us can answer is how would she do if she was just the serving specialist, that ONLY gets one shot per game. The mindset change would take some getting used to I would imagine. That's a really big change for a player who has been used to serving (and attacking on 2) 3 times in an average game. All said, I would take that bomb serve in a heartbeat even if it was once rotation a game. Well, you could get her two rotations serving per game, by starting her - subbing - then using her re-entry late in the game. Would be a bit of a risk using her serving for a middle, but you could libero and hope game is over before she gets back to front row. Might be better to have her serve for setter or opposite. The way our rights defended/attacked BR - she could also stay in back row. Could have even run the dub-sub system that way this year. Start her serving and setting 3 rotations, then Glass takes over for most of match, and bring her back late in game to serve again if desired. |
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Aug 22, 2016 11:53:10 GMT -5
Definitly not Hancock. Boskovic was just clocked with the fastest swing by a women in history (not sure if I believe that) so I would have to say her serve is the best. It is known that the reason Karch doesn't allow jump servers in his gym is they don't serve fast enough to be effective. I heard he told Hancock this very thing about her serve. Speed is everything for him. I know of girls who were told their float serves weren't fast enough for him. Maybe he backs off of it, I doubt it. He believes in his system and he's had, record-wise, good results. I would love for him to figure out how to eliminate the bad service errors i.e. Adams Why are we lumping these servers together, speed-wise? It should be effective-wise. Hancock is a left-hander, which is not the same as the right-hander. Effectively, both will have different results because a left-hander like Hancock is not widely. So the best serve should be based on result, not speed. Even as a defender of Hancock, I never thought that she had the fastest swing. But all she is is the best in the last 10-20 years in women's volleyball when it comes to results. Even the great server like Bricio can't touch her. I'm not lumping them together Karch and his staff are. Those are his words from his gym, so if we are going to debate the pros and cons of Hancock we should at least acknowledge that the coach has his own views of what is important. I do agree with you that she has one of the most devastating serves we've seen in NCAA in a long time. NCAA and International ball are completely different though |
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Post by Disc808 on Aug 22, 2016 14:23:32 GMT -5
Definitly not Hancock. Boskovic was just clocked with the fastest swing by a women in history (not sure if I believe that) so I would have to say her serve is the best. It is known that the reason Karch doesn't allow jump servers in his gym is they don't serve fast enough to be effective. I heard he told Hancock this very thing about her serve. Speed is everything for him. I know of girls who were told their float serves weren't fast enough for him. Maybe he backs off of it, I doubt it. He believes in his system and he's had, record-wise, good results. I would love for him to figure out how to eliminate the bad service errors i.e. Adams Why are we lumping these servers together, speed-wise? It should be effective-wise. Hancock is a left-hander, which is not the same as the right-hander. Effectively, both will have different results because a left-hander like Hancock is not widely. So the best serve should be based on result, not speed. Even as a defender of Hancock, I never thought that she had the fastest swing. But all she is is the best in the last 10-20 years in women's volleyball when it comes to results. Even the great server like Bricio can't touch her. Isn't Boskovic also left-handed? So the comparison makes sense. Boskovic has virtually the same "effectiveness" and likely a lot more speed |
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