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Post by GatorVball on Aug 17, 2004 17:54:32 GMT -5
The 6-3 player. There are 11 other positions to fill to pass. You don't win a national championship hitting .260. Annnnnnd... I could teach her to pass. I couldn't teach the 5-10 player to grow. USC won the national title hitting .250 in the match last year  |
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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 17, 2004 18:08:46 GMT -5
I see filling roster positions like this.
Let's say I'm a coach. (Everyone now, let's here, IdahoBoy is a coach).
Ok, so I'm looking for players to play for my team. There are x amount of tall-front-row players with athleticism, skill, etc. out there. They all want to play for me. I have my pickings from the best. (riiiiiiiight)
Let's say I have to pick 12 girls to fill a roster.
I need right off, 7 starters, right? 2 OH's, 2 MB's, a Setter, a RS, and a Libero.
I'd be stupid not to have backups, so let's add one to each of those positions: that makes 3 OH's, 3 MB's, 2 Setters, 2 RS's and a two Libero. 12 players.
There are two girls who have AMAZING potential that are sitting out there too... I'd need to work on them, but they are tall and would be able to be All Americans if I could teach them the game... 14 players. However, they are being heavily courted by other schools too... now the dilemma enters: Do I not scholarship my Liberos in hopes of landing these potential recruits or do I let them go and scholarship my two liberos?
This is where the problem lies, in my opinion. It's loading the team for the upcoming years, because you're not going to be able to land these amazing players every year... especially when you're already loaded with talent!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2004 18:09:23 GMT -5
The 6-3 player. There are 11 other positions to fill to pass. You don't win a national championship hitting .260. Annnnnnd... I could teach her to pass. I couldn't teach the 5-10 player to grow. In all seriousness, if you truly believe this, your team is in trouble. And I rest my case. Just out of curiosity, how come you can teach the 6'3" player to pass (riiiiiiiiiiight), but you can't teach the 5'10" player to hit better? |
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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 17, 2004 18:09:40 GMT -5
USC won the national title hitting .250 in the match last year Yeah, but that was against Florida...  |
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Post by GatorVball on Aug 17, 2004 18:14:09 GMT -5
Yeah, but that was against Florida... They'd have only needed to hit .150 to beat Hawaii. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2004 18:16:49 GMT -5
I see filling roster positions like this. Let's say I'm a coach. [blah blah blah] No disrespect. Just making it clear to whom I am responding. You will be best off making sure your program has a foundation of defense and passing and grow it from there. In the best of all possible worlds, you land your Willoughby and Cruz, and fill in everything else from there. But it's not terribly realistic. I keep thinking of UNI. There's a program that, IMHO, was led by players like Kim McCaffrey and Kim Kester. Even Molly O'Brien wasn't the biggest kid in the world. But they passed. And they played defense. And lo and behold, they became a top 10 program. I think you're making a mistake if you place ball control as your 2nd or 3rd priority. |
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Post by Gorf on Aug 17, 2004 18:57:15 GMT -5
Annnnnnd... I could teach her to pass. We want her to pass the ball roughly to the setter though, not to the fans in the stands. |
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Post by romeo on Aug 17, 2004 19:10:28 GMT -5
>-(Gorf)-<[} link=board=general&thread=1092634338&start=36#2 date=1092787035] We want her to pass the ball roughly to the setter though, not to the fans in the stands. hahahaha! That is a good one. Part of the problem with college volleyball today is that coaches think they will be able to train all their hitters to pass well. I keep hearing this 'you can't teach height' comment. I believe that passing can be improved, but it is also a talent you either have or you don't have. Kind of like being tone deaf or not tone deaf. LBSU has struggled mightily with this 'tall girl in the back row' mentality. Thank goodness for beach fans the they have Laudato. |
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Post by Gorf on Aug 17, 2004 23:48:27 GMT -5
If they could actually turn all of their middles into defensive defensive players imagine what they could do with if they recruited an already very good defensive specialist or libero.
I don't think its impossible to dramatically improve the skills players have but it isn't a given for every player regardless of the coaches teaching the skills.
It takes a lot of hard work, dedication, and persistance from the player(s) and the coaches.
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Post by roofed! on Aug 18, 2004 0:15:55 GMT -5
I think part of the problem is that the libero position is relatively new, so there will be adjustment period. Not just by the college coaches going out to recruit but also the high school and club coaches devoting more time to train their shorter players into better defensive players now that those players have better chances of landing scholies being allotted for the libero position.
Personally for me, having a good libero is an asset to your team, allowing for better passing/digging that is crucial for execution of more complicated offense system, and running the transitions.
In the past year, there were several top teams whose offense suffered from passing problems -- Arizona, Pepperdine, Nebraska and Stanford. These teams have awesome firepower but with poor passings, you cannot shoot the cannon balls.
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Post by plm on Aug 18, 2004 0:17:45 GMT -5
Regardless of how good or bad a front row player passes the ball by the NCAA rules a front row player can definitely play in the back row and pass the ball. A Libero on the other hand is limited by the NCAA on what they can do which includes no attacking and no blocking. IMO having any more than one libero on scholarship at a time is wasting a scholarship which should go to another position.
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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Aug 18, 2004 1:41:25 GMT -5
"In the past year, there were several top teams whose offense suffered from passing problems -- Arizona, Pepperdine, Nebraska and Stanford. These teams have awesome firepower but with poor passings, you cannot shoot the cannon balls. "
Absolutely. The game begins and ends with the pass. Yuo want to know who will lose a match? Just watch which teams setter has to run the fartherst to set the ball. That team will almost always lose. I do agree that you only need one scholie for the Libero position.
One thing I didn't see ever qualitativly demonstrated was that the Libero position is really not being "funded". Maybe we should actually count how many of the top 25 have a libero on scholie?
UCLA, UCSB, The Minnesota Badgers,...,? Someone want to continue?
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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 18, 2004 4:54:45 GMT -5
Absolutely. The game begins and ends with the pass. Yuo want to know who will lose a match? I don't see ANYONE disputing this. What we are disputing is how much you're willing to scholarship those who pass as a primary occupation vs. those who can do other things too. |
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Post by 5100 on Aug 18, 2004 8:45:52 GMT -5
Were Nicole Davis and Chrissie Zartman originally under scholarship? Has Hawai'i ever given a defensive specialist a scholarship as a freshman? I remember Shelly Kim, Melissa Villaroman and Hedder Ilustre were originally walk-ons. I believe their current libero, Ashley Watanabe, is still a walk-on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2004 9:16:24 GMT -5
Zartman was. And she was a DS!
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