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Post by GauchoDon on Oct 29, 2004 14:00:11 GMT -5
OK, so I was perusing the stats (I'm sure this is a stupid question, but I have to ask it anyway).
Besides kills of opponent overpasses what might result in a kill without an assist?
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Post by BearClause on Oct 29, 2004 14:06:34 GMT -5
OK, so I was perusing the stats (I'm sure this is a stupid question, but I have to ask it anyway). Besides kills of opponent overpasses what might result in a kill without an assist? A first contact overpass that isn't properly handled by the other team. It happens, and nothing gives a coach ulcers more than that. I supposed a wounded duck off of a bad set that isn't handled would still get an assist. |
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Oct 29, 2004 14:50:53 GMT -5
OK, so I was perusing the stats (I'm sure this is a stupid question, but I have to ask it anyway). Besides kills of opponent overpasses what might result in a kill without an assist? I think when a setter dumps the ball and gets a kill, the passer does not get an assist. |
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Post by fightingminime on Oct 29, 2004 14:57:35 GMT -5
OK, so I was perusing the stats (I'm sure this is a stupid question, but I have to ask it anyway). Besides kills of opponent overpasses what might result in a kill without an assist? Umm if it goes over on two? 1) If the setter attacks the second ball, the passer doesn't get an assist. 2) If (and I used to do this when I played) on a free ball the passer sets up a hitter to attack and they get a kill, I don't believe the passer gets an assist. Just some thoughts . . . . |
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Post by Serendipity on Oct 29, 2004 14:59:33 GMT -5
I think when a setter dumps the ball and gets a kill, the passer does not get an assist. Actually, they do. That's how liberos or DS's get so many. Any contact immediately prior to the kill gets an assist. Except, as mentioned above, an overpass does not get an assist, nor does a dig that goes back over the net and lands for a kill. That's all I can think of for right now. |
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Post by fightingminime on Oct 29, 2004 15:03:05 GMT -5
Actually, they do. That's how liberos or DS's get so many. Any contact immediately prior to the kill gets an assist. Except, as mentioned above, an overpass does not get an assist, nor does a dig that goes back over the net and lands for a kill. That's all I can think of for right now. Well tickle me elmo I had no idea. You learn something new everyday. |
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Post by BearClause on Oct 29, 2004 15:12:15 GMT -5
Actually, they do. That's how liberos or DS's get so many. Any contact immediately prior to the kill gets an assist. Except, as mentioned above, an overpass does not get an assist, nor does a dig that goes back over the net and lands for a kill. That's all I can think of for right now. Here's a play by play. I chose one from Stanford because I know they include play-by-play in most of their home box scores: gostanford.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/stats/101604aaa.html3-0 [Schultz, Courtney] Kill by Kehoe, Bryn (from Richards, Kristin). (Probably a setter dump)5-1 [Mortensen, Kristy] Kill by Kehoe, Bryn. (Putaway on an overpass?) |
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Post by 808 on Oct 29, 2004 15:16:22 GMT -5
OK, so I was perusing the stats (I'm sure this is a stupid question, but I have to ask it anyway). Besides kills of opponent overpasses what might result in a kill without an assist? I don't think it's a stupid question at all. Thanks for asking it, GauchoDon, and thanks to everyone who posted answers. I found it all very interesting, thought-provoking and educational. |
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Post by GauchoDon on Oct 29, 2004 15:17:30 GMT -5
Thanks folks  |
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Post by Serendipity on Oct 29, 2004 15:24:09 GMT -5
[quote author=BearClause link=board=general&thread=1099076411&start=6#0 date=1099080735]
3-0 [Schultz, Courtney] Kill by Kehoe, Bryn (from Richards, Kristin).(Probably a setter dump)
5-1 [Mortensen, Kristy] Kill by Kehoe, Bryn. (Putaway on an overpass?)
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That's exactly what both of those things are. When you see no assist, it's most likely an overpass, unless it's a backrow player. In that case I would assume it's a dig-kill.
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Post by Alberta on Oct 29, 2004 16:52:32 GMT -5
 I think the passer that passes the overpass should get the assist when a member of the opposing team slams the ball down! Maybe that could be a new stat category.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 29, 2004 20:04:12 GMT -5
The NCAA Statistician's Manual www.ncaa.org/library/statistical/volleyball_stats_manual/2004/2004_volleyball_stats_manual.pdfSECTION 2—ASSISTSA player is awarded an assist (A) whenever that player passes, sets or digs the ball to a teammate who attacks the ball for a kill. There are three possible outcomes of a ball that is being set: (1) An assist. (2) An assist error or ball-handling error. (3) A zero assist. This occurs when a ball that is set does not directly lead to a kill. Documentation on the work sheet only is required if the statistician is calculating assists percentage. A.R. 1. Team White player sets the ball over the net where it is killed by a Team Blue player. RULING: Team White player does not receive an assist. Assists are awarded only when a teammate records a kill. A.R. 2. Team White player forearm passes the ball to a teammate who kills it for a point. RULING: Team White player is awarded an assist. The ball may be set or passed to a teammate and result in an assist. A.R. 3. Team White player passes the ball to a teammate who, on the second contact, scores a kill. RULING: Team White player is awarded an assist. It does not matter on which contact the kill takes place. The pass preceding the kill is considered an assist. A.R. 4. Team White player makes a great play to keep the ball in play.Team White back-row attacker puts the ball away for a kill off of that pass. RULING: Team White player receives an assist. |
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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Oct 29, 2004 20:07:28 GMT -5
Except, as mentioned above, an overpass does not get an assist, nor does a dig that goes back over the net and lands for a kill. That's all I can think of for right now. Really? I used to always thank the opposing player with a "Nice Set" when she would give a Gaucho a perfect set. I think they should get an assist. |
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I think the passer that passes the overpass should get the assist when a member of the opposing team slams the ball down! Maybe that could be a new stat category.