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Post by gr8ful on Jun 26, 2017 5:42:09 GMT -5
I watched online some of the Seattle matches this weekend, and saw some good stuff being set and saw some junk too….made me start thinking, Phil is probably the best setter on the beach right now. I still put Scott Ayakatubby and Stokie as the two best setters I have seen on the beach - period, better than Phil - both set pure, clean nectar. Take Phil out, who are best setters on the beach right now?
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Post by guest2 on Jun 26, 2017 6:29:34 GMT -5
I think Stoklos was better than Ak or Phil because both of those guys always set cleanly but because they deep dish need to work harder to get in position to set and so bump set more balls. You would never see Phil or Ak do a jumping backset for example, whereas Stoklos could.
Right now on the US side I think Casey is the player I see who is fearless in the balls he will put his hands on among the US players. Summer Ross for the women by a mile, I wish she would work harder to use her hands in transition though, I think she and Brooke would get an extra 1-3 points a match if she did.
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Post by donnyb on Jun 26, 2017 6:30:39 GMT -5
I'm not a real old schooler but I have watched several several games from back in the day and I will have to argue that Phil is the best setter ever!
Back to your topic there's a few good ones. I say gibb, Taylor crab, Rosie, slick, Billy, Patterson, Mayer etc all set really well
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Post by guest2 on Jun 26, 2017 6:43:50 GMT -5
I'm not a real old schooler but I have watched several several games from back in the day and I will have to argue that Phil is the best setter ever! Back to your topic there's a few good ones. I say gibb, Taylor crab, Rosie, slick, Billy, Patterson, Mayer etc all set really well Heresy. On a good pass, Stoklos, Ak, Lewy, Phil all great, probably nothing to separate them, but in terms of range, Phil and Ak were limited (I'd put Frohoff in there too, although he threw every ball with that super deep dish) Watch how many times per match Phil bump sets, then watch Stoklos in his prime. I can't think of a time Phil backset a difficult ball rather than bumping it, and hands are called much looser now than they were then. Also occasionally Stoklos would take a first ball over with his hands or set a ball off his own block touch. As good as Phil is, he would never do either. For me the only hand setter who ever came close to Stoklos in terms of the number of different balls he could set cleanly was Brian Lewis and even he was prone to chuck a few balls now and then, which pre-1993 Randy never did. One or two of the matches Stoklos/Lewy played where they were running all kinds of playsets were really incredible. |
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Post by donnyb on Jun 26, 2017 8:13:46 GMT -5
That's not phils ways though. He's never ever going to set a ball over on purpose. He's does some crazy falling back sets all the time or tight pass sets. Patterson sets some dimes also front and back. I'm not arguing they are better but I can't imagine they Can be. Even if the rules on setting were way more tougher Phil wouldn't get called.
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Post by Semp12 on Jun 26, 2017 8:45:21 GMT -5
Some other old stud setters:
Vin Robbins- Heard a story he and Phil had a wager on who got called for more hands on the entire season (back when he was playing a ton of AVP's). I can't remember who won it, but I believe the one who lost got called once all year.
Tyler Hildebrand- Maybe unfair since he was a national team level setter- but few other guys were hand setting nectar from the back line to the net in actual AVP games.
Adrian- people want to argue the deep-ness of his dishes, but they came out so nice it was tough to call.
Right now, Zauns setting is underrated. Nick is a good setter for someone who doesn't actually get to set very often. Mayer can do it all (also another indoor setter).
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Post by crunch on Jun 26, 2017 8:48:27 GMT -5
The best should be judged by how well OOS balls are set. I don't think Phil is among those. How does he stack up when bump setting? Patterson will use his hands on many OOS passes and it comes out clean, including falling backward, on his knees, you name it, he's done it. Lucena also is tremendous at this. At Salt Lake City a few years back I recall Nick doing an all out sprint to the right to chase down a Theo pass. He's about 3-4 feet past the right side rope and while sliding on his knees he launches a spinless perfect back set to Theo on the other side of the court. Brought a tear to my eye it was so beautiful.
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Post by antireebok on Jun 26, 2017 10:33:18 GMT -5
I think you all are only looking at the top level players, if you are only judging their hand setting ability I think the current best setter on the avp has to be Rafu. he hand sets almost every ball from pretty much anywhere cleanly and great location.
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Post by haze on Jun 26, 2017 10:36:22 GMT -5
Del sols hands are right up there with Phil's but he doesn't play avps so is hard to consider.
Vince Robbins was playing Pottsown a couple years years ago with Camacho, and Camacho was serving skyvalls and Vince was hand setting them with fluidity. Craziest thing ever.
Now not sure, lot of guys seem to have good hands, Crabbs, Rosie, Casey, I only ever watch on the stream so it's hard to tell.
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Post by guest2 on Jun 26, 2017 11:35:37 GMT -5
Del sols hands are right up there with Phil's but he doesn't play avps so is hard to consider. Vince Robbins was playing Pottsown a couple years years ago with Camacho, and Camacho was serving skyvalls and Vince was hand setting them with fluidity. Craziest thing ever. Now not sure, lot of guys seem to have good hands, Crabbs, Rosie, Casey, I only ever watch on the stream so it's hard to tell. Vinny has great hands to be sure, but a little too much catch and throw for my taste. If weak-willed refs had stopped that garbage back when Frohoff started it, we would have been spared a generation of setters who catch the ball. Since its legal though, Vinny has great hands |
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Post by gr8ful on Jun 26, 2017 12:38:38 GMT -5
Del sols hands are right up there with Phil's but he doesn't play avps so is hard to consider. Vince Robbins was playing Pottsown a couple years years ago with Camacho, and Camacho was serving skyvalls and Vince was hand setting them with fluidity. Craziest thing ever. Now not sure, lot of guys seem to have good hands, Crabbs, Rosie, Casey, I only ever watch on the stream so it's hard to tell. Vinny has great hands to be sure, but a little too much catch and throw for my taste. If weak-willed refs had stopped that garbage back when Frohoff started it, we would have been spared a generation of setters who catch the ball. Since its legal though, Vinny has great hands Fro chucked some stuff, no doubt, Lewis did have great hands as well….Stokey could set from the third row in the stands (which is one of the reasons Sinjin was such a great side out partner, Stoklos gave him perfect sets). Vin does a lot of fishing….catch and release IMHO |
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Post by keeweekid on Jun 26, 2017 13:56:45 GMT -5
For a blocker- Slick.
Was impressed how well he hand set this weekend for a big guy.
Others: Mayer, Casey, Billy, Del Sol
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Post by chicory on Jun 26, 2017 14:10:43 GMT -5
I think John Mayer and Zaun are underrated.
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Post by rainmaker on Jun 26, 2017 15:51:38 GMT -5
I know Mayer was a setter indoors, but damn them hands!! sweet....
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Post by rtovfresh on Jun 26, 2017 15:59:06 GMT -5
My two favorites are Mayer and Tramblie. One thing that also makes both of them excellent setters is their speed to get to the ball that some of the bigs mentioned earlier in this thread wouldn't get to and still use their paws to throw up on the net sets from shanked passes
Old school guys not sure, haven't scene a lot of video on some of them.
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