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Post by haze on Jul 26, 2017 14:09:06 GMT -5
This goes back to the question of how individual points affect team points? For example, gibb/taylor don't somehow have extra points because of their previous fivb partnership and results. They are ranked according to team finishes. This seems like purely money move for Branagh which you can't blame her. Unless day would leave hochevar for Branagh if kerri doesn't come back, which I don't think she would. Don't they take the sum of the two players individual points to determine entry points and seeding points? No, points are taken as an average o fthe team's best finishes. Individual points are irrelevant once the season starts. At least that's how the rankings are determined in seeding. If Jake Gibb got hurt and Nick Lucena got hurt and Phil and Taylor teamed up for the rest of the season, I am assuming they have 0 points and would have to go through qualifier. I imagine I very well may be wrong, but it's never been explained otherwise. I do know FIVB is not like AVP where they total the individual points of the teams. The points on FIVB are determined by an average of the teams best 8 finishes over a calendar year. I am thinking individual points come into play at the beginning of every season to determine the ladder seeding for that particular seaosn, and after the fist so many events are established, it's straight up team points.
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Post by ebes1099 on Jul 26, 2017 14:24:20 GMT -5
This goes back to the question of how individual points affect team points? For example, gibb/taylor don't somehow have extra points because of their previous fivb partnership and results. They are ranked according to team finishes. This seems like purely money move for Branagh which you can't blame her. Unless day would leave hochevar for Branagh if kerri doesn't come back, which I don't think she would. Don't they take the sum of the two players individual points to determine entry points and seeding points? I don't believe that's how it works on the FIVB. Like when Phil/Nick got together a couple years back...they started from the bottom and didn't get to count all of Phil's points with Rosie. FIVB seems to be done at the team/partnership level.
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Post by haze on Jul 26, 2017 14:30:29 GMT -5
Don't they take the sum of the two players individual points to determine entry points and seeding points? I don't believe that's how it works on the FIVB. Like when Phil/Nick got together a couple years back...they started from the bottom and didn't get to count all of Phil's points with Rosie. FIVB seems to be done at the team/partnership level. Maybe they use a different ranking system for the tournaments. When you look at the FIVB rankings, it clearly states the rankings are an average of the teams best 8 finishes over the course of a calendar year and updated every Monday after an event. When you look at the team rankings you will see players on multiple teams with multiple rankings. Yea I remember how mad Theo Brunner was at Nick because they were in the drivers seat for qualification when Phil/Rosie broke up and Nick risked his Olympic spot by going with Phil.
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Post by wang pu on Jul 26, 2017 14:35:11 GMT -5
I don't believe that's how it works on the FIVB. Like when Phil/Nick got together a couple years back...they started from the bottom and didn't get to count all of Phil's points with Rosie. FIVB seems to be done at the team/partnership level. Maybe they use a different ranking system for the tournaments. When you look at the FIVB rankings, it clearly states the rankings are an average of the teams best 8 finishes over the course of a calendar year and updated every Monday after an event. When you look at the team rankings you will see players on multiple teams with multiple rankings. Yea I remember how mad Theo Brunner was at Nick because they were in the drivers seat for qualification when Phil/Rosie broke up and Nick risked his Olympic spot by going with Phil. I think you and I are talking about the same thing. Each "finish" is associated with a point value. They take the points to determine the average. Points for events vary depending on Star Level (ie 5 Star win is worth more than a 2 Star win, hence greater points for the 5 Star event).
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Post by graham on Jul 26, 2017 14:54:05 GMT -5
As I understand it, the FIVB has several "Rankings". "Entry Points", "World Tour Ranking", and "Seeding Points". I'm pretty sure the "World Tour Ranking" only uses points earned as a team from the current FIVB season, which is used for entry in the World Tour Finals. Every other tournament uses a combination of the two players' individual "Entry" points to determine if they get into the Main Draw, Qualification, or CQ. Then there's a third set of points, "Seeding Points", used to seed the Main Draw after the CQ and Qualifier is complete. But I'm not sure what time frame or how many tournaments are used to determine the "Entry" and "Seeding" points.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 26, 2017 15:06:35 GMT -5
As I understand it, the FIVB has several "Rankings". "Entry Points", "World Tour Ranking", and "Seeding Points". I'm pretty sure the "World Tour Ranking" only uses points earned as a team from the current FIVB season, which is used for entry in the World Tour Finals. Every other tournament uses a combination of the two players' individual "Entry" points to determine if they get into the Main Draw, Qualification, or CQ. Then there's a third set of points, "Seeding Points", used to seed the Main Draw after the CQ and Qualifier is complete. But I'm not sure what time frame or how many tournaments are used to determine the "Entry" and "Seeding" points. This is how I take it as well. If anyone is interested, here are the rules, go to chapter 5 for the points. www.fivb.org/EN/BeachVolleyball/Document/2017FIVB_BVB_Sports_Regulations_Final_20161202.pdf
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Post by ajm on Jul 26, 2017 15:09:26 GMT -5
Just read this. Writer seems confused. The first WSOBV was in 2013, so quite a while after the London Olympics (though I guess Kerri could have been promoting right after the Olympics). But there were only four real WSOBV events before this year's exhibition, not five. And then this: "The WSOBV is organized like an AVP event, but has been able to host FIVB competition that doubles as Olympic qualification." How was the WSOBV organized like an AVP event? Nonsense. LOL, maybe he meant the WSOBV is organized like an AVP event was when Leonard Armato owned it!
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Post by wlwii on Jul 26, 2017 15:27:16 GMT -5
I believe all FIVB main draw teams are on daily room and board stipends. USAV covered 4 teams expenses (including travel in each gender. Technically then if only 4 USA teams compete they could be qualie/country quota only if that's all that want to go and still get USAV support. (FIVB evicts quickly after you lose, if I remember correctly.) Klazk has all these answers! Did he give up on us?
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Post by guest2 on Jul 26, 2017 15:35:07 GMT -5
Does USAV fund for all events? Even one stars? Im surprised more lower ranked teams dont do those events just for the free trips
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Post by ajm on Jul 26, 2017 16:14:17 GMT -5
I believe all FIVB main draw teams are on daily room and board stipends. USAV covered 4 teams expenses (including travel in each gender. Technically then if only 4 USA teams compete they could be qualie/country quota only if that's all that want to go and still get USAV support. (FIVB evicts quickly after you lose, if I remember correctly.) Klazk has all these answers! Did he give up on us? Seems a bit petty to make Em Day pay for her travel when she's a replacement for one of the 4 teams.
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Post by tamz on Jul 26, 2017 20:21:44 GMT -5
Em Day said she had to use 30,000 frequent flyer miles to book her trip to Vienna. That's probably $1000 in value right there. So it doesn't sound like USAV is paying for travel expenses. Most likely Emily Day is not one of the athletes who receive funding from USAV. That brings another question I have....if it is the top 4 teams (assuming it is 4 teams) that are provided funding and stipends, when are the top 4 decided and what happens in case of injury or break up? Is it a fluid ranking? I think Emily Day should get compensated for her travels because she's representating the USA at an event that is second to the Olympics in beach volleyball. Plus, she was called in as a sub.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jul 26, 2017 20:46:29 GMT -5
I think all Beach Volleyball players should get squat, they should live on a shoestring, have 0% bodyfat, and compete for peanuts, and grovel for measly ad compensation with tattoos on their body.
....oh wait, they already do!!
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Post by ebes1099 on Jul 26, 2017 23:45:20 GMT -5
As I understand it, the FIVB has several "Rankings". "Entry Points", "World Tour Ranking", and "Seeding Points". I'm pretty sure the "World Tour Ranking" only uses points earned as a team from the current FIVB season, which is used for entry in the World Tour Finals. Every other tournament uses a combination of the two players' individual "Entry" points to determine if they get into the Main Draw, Qualification, or CQ. Then there's a third set of points, "Seeding Points", used to seed the Main Draw after the CQ and Qualifier is complete. But I'm not sure what time frame or how many tournaments are used to determine the "Entry" and "Seeding" points. That makes sense. That's how teams can come through the CQ and get a higher seed than a team that made it straight into the MD.
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Post by tamz on Jul 27, 2017 20:38:30 GMT -5
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Post by guest2 on Jul 27, 2017 22:45:48 GMT -5
I think all Beach Volleyball players should get squat, they should live on a shoestring, have 0% bodyfat, and compete for peanuts, and grovel for measly ad compensation with tattoos on their body. ....oh wait, they already do!! No they don't and the above is so much bull. On the men's side these are subpar athletes and the top ones are all making six figures with free travel to some pretty incredible destinations, and all are overpaid in comparison to the revenue they generate (unlike real professional sports where its the opposite). Trying to make them victims or somehow oppressed, rather than the recipients of super lucrative borderline charity is nonsense. On the women's side its slightly different because the women at least are world class athletes, but the same goes in terms of their drawing power and revenue creation.
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