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Post by Dash22 on Dec 28, 2017 3:38:00 GMT -5
What’s logical is this person was born a man and will stay a man for the rest of his life. You people cannot grasp this! The people who matter, the governing bodies of sport and the host of scientists and psychologists tasked with making the guidelines that will be followed disagree with you. So, your ignorant response has no impact on what will actually happen. Thank goodness. Ignorant? Lol 😆 What’s dangerous is that there’s idiots in charge that think and feel as you do.
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 28, 2017 3:43:04 GMT -5
The people who matter, the governing bodies of sport and the host of scientists and psychologists tasked with making the guidelines that will be followed disagree with you. So, your ignorant response has no impact on what will actually happen. Thank goodness. Ignorant? Lol 😆 What’s dangerous is that there’s idiots in charge that think and feel as you do. You mean people who's opinion is formed based on science, reason, and inclusive consideration? Yeah, those people are awful. Who wants to listen to them? They're the worst.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 28, 2017 3:45:36 GMT -5
Ignorant? Lol 😆 What’s dangerous is that there’s idiots in charge that think and feel as you do. You mean people who's opinion is formed based on science, reason, and inclusive consideration? Yeah, those people are awful. Who wants to listen to them? They're the worst. I am so excited to be invited to Dash’s Nobel Prize ceremony since he is smarter than all those PhDs, MDs, and respected professionals who have been involved in this issue for 40+ years.
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Post by durtpile on Dec 28, 2017 6:35:05 GMT -5
I agree. The utter ignorance of basic biology displayed by some is hard to understand in today's world. One might imagine that they prefer to remain locked in their ignorance of nature. Ahhh, Nebraska. Where the men are men and the sheep are nervous. Nebraska? Sheep? Really? Your knowledge of Nebraska is as abysmal as your knowledge of biology. Care to fail again?
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 28, 2017 10:00:46 GMT -5
Ahhh, Nebraska. Where the men are men and the sheep are nervous. Nebraska? Sheep? Really? Your knowledge of Nebraska is as abysmal as your knowledge of biology. Care to fail again? I am shocked you didn’t post your Google search results again and try to pass it off as if you know something. Go back under the bridge, troll.
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Post by ciscokeed on Dec 28, 2017 10:12:43 GMT -5
I am sorry this thread is turning into name calling- because I think this is a fascinating but difficult subject. While I support the right of a person to be the gender they truly think themselves to be, it brings up a physical fairness aspect that begs discussion. I’m not a scientist so pure conjecture on my part. I feel that the strength, the explosion, the angle of hips, the male genetics just create too much of an advantage...I’m not judging the right to change gender- that’s a personal decision. However if I’m a bank teller it doesn’t matter. If I’m a policeman it doesn’t matter. But in sport it changes the paradigm
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 28, 2017 10:25:58 GMT -5
I am sorry this thread is turning into name calling- because I think this is a fascinating but difficult subject. While I support the right of a person to be the gender they truly think themselves to be, it brings up a physical fairness aspect that begs discussion. I’m not a scientist so pure conjecture on my part. I feel that the strength, the explosion, the angle of hips, the male genetics just create too much of an advantage...I’m not judging the right to change gender- that’s a personal decision. However if I’m a bank teller it doesn’t matter. If I’m a policeman it doesn’t matter. But in sport it changes the paradigm Much of that is discussed in another thread on another trans player. There aren’t studies on performance to demonstrate that those assumptions about an advantage are accurate.
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Post by durtpile on Dec 28, 2017 11:43:48 GMT -5
Nebraska? Sheep? Really? Your knowledge of Nebraska is as abysmal as your knowledge of biology. Care to fail again? I am shocked you didn’t post your Google search results again and try to pass it off as if you know something. Go back under the bridge, troll. Troll? Funny stuff. Sexual biology is the single most important item in a specie's survival. Not a trivial thing, imho. You? You think it is what you say it is. Have fun with that.
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Post by durtpile on Dec 28, 2017 18:04:09 GMT -5
Ahhh, Nebraska. Where the men are men and the sheep are nervous. Boo, you just trying with that sheep comment! 😂😂 Nebraska isn’t Wales (the Welsh are famously stereotyped as sheep buggers) or West Virginia (where bestiality is legal). Dash22 and durtpile are defintely hick, but they ain’t that kinda hick. Lol Mostly, the poster displays his ignorance.....again. Sheep are pretty scarce in the state. Rare, might be a better term. 5 million cattle here, and all he can think of is sheep? Makes you wonder what's on his mind.
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Post by durtpile on Dec 28, 2017 18:27:03 GMT -5
Mostly, the poster displays his ignorance.....again. Sheep are pretty scarce in the state. Rare, might be a better term. 5 million cattle here, and all he can think of is sheep? Makes you wonder what's on his mind. I’ve never seen a sheep in Nebraska outside of a petting zoo. Maybe that's where he hangs out? Btw, having lived in San Diego, Houston, and NYC, I probably disqualified myself as a hick. While the weather may be better in SD this time of year, the traffic more than makes up for it. Houston? If you don't mind swamp gas, fumes from the refineries, ants that want to eat you, and enjoy freeway backups, it is the place to be. NYC? Nice place if you like living in a sardine can, or have more money than you can shake a stick at. Otherwise, not so much.
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Post by gb77 on Dec 31, 2017 1:30:58 GMT -5
You mean people who's opinion is formed based on science, reason, and inclusive consideration? Yeah, those people are awful. Who wants to listen to them? They're the worst. I am so excited to be invited to Dash’s Nobel Prize ceremony since he is smarter than all those PhDs, MDs, and respected professionals who have been involved in this issue for 40+ years. hello again doubletrojan - you were kind enough to admit that your support for the brazilian leagues policy was right "in your opinion", yet now that opinion has become again some kind of expert and unrefutable and unarguable truth among PhDs & MDs. This is simply a choice of those in authority - not science, not fact or otherwise demonstrated and repeatable experimental results of transgender volleyball performance for men who played professional volleyball having real/unprovable/no performance advantages over women who play professional volleyball. i support any transgender/ or otherwise athlete that plays according to the rules they are given. i don't support the rules of the brazilian league - a philosophical position as there are no true scientific/experimental proofs to support those rules - just a policy based on opinions and moreso political correctness. please stop conflating an opinion based policy on non-existent fact/science if you can't cite the peer-reviewed (double blind ?) studies of this situation that demonstrates the validity of your opinion. i hope you will enjoy the challenge.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 31, 2017 1:33:14 GMT -5
I am so excited to be invited to Dash’s Nobel Prize ceremony since he is smarter than all those PhDs, MDs, and respected professionals who have been involved in this issue for 40+ years. hello again doubletrojan - you were kind enough to admit that your support for the brazilian leagues policy was right "in your opinion", yet now that opinion has become again some kind of expert and unrefutable and unarguable truth among PhDs & MDs. This is simply a choice of those in authority - not science, not fact or otherwise demonstrated and repeatable experimental results of transgender volleyball performance for men who played professional volleyball having performance advantages over women who play professional volleyball. i support any transgender/ or otherwise athlete that plays according to the rules they are given. i don't support the rules of the brazilian league - a philosophical position as there are no true scientific/experimental proofs to support those rules - just a policy based on opinions and moreso political correctness. please stop conflating an opinion based policy on non-existent fact/science if you can't cite the peer-reviewed (double blind ?) studies of this situation that demonstrates the validity of your opinion. i hope you will enjoy the challenge. What studies are you citing to form the basis of your opinion?
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Post by gb77 on Dec 31, 2017 1:48:05 GMT -5
i cite no studies as i am stating my opinion, not fact.. please cite your studies so i can read them to learn that your opinion is indeed fact
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 31, 2017 2:15:18 GMT -5
i cite no studies as i am stating my opinion, not fact.. please cite your studies so i can read them to learn that your opinion is indeed fact Your own argument is based on the assumption that those in charge of making decisions about participation of transgender athletes are making them primarily out of political correctness: an opinion you cannot substantiate. You cite lack of evidence for my position as why you support yours. Clearly you have no evidence to support your own position, unless you think lack of evidence is evidence. To my knowledge there is 1 study on performance of transgender women athletes and it suggests their performance as women after transitioning is equivalent to when they were competing as men, considering their change in age. That study was conducted by a physician. jrci.cgpublisher.com/product/pub.301/prod.4You also ask for a double-blind study, which is preposterous. Do you know what you are asking for? How do you suspect the transgender athlete will not know she is in the transgender group? Lol I guess you also think the 7 members of the IOC Medical and Scientific Commission, the IOC Scientific and Medical Director, the IOC Head of Scientific Activities, and the 9 other professors and doctors who formulated the IOC policy (which is very similar to that of the Brazilian league, the NCAA, and USAV, as I understand it) didn’t consult any scientific evidence to formulate their decisions.
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 31, 2017 2:21:06 GMT -5
I am so excited to be invited to Dash’s Nobel Prize ceremony since he is smarter than all those PhDs, MDs, and respected professionals who have been involved in this issue for 40+ years. hello again doubletrojan - you were kind enough to admit that your support for the brazilian leagues policy was right "in your opinion", yet now that opinion has become again some kind of expert and unrefutable and unarguable truth among PhDs & MDs. This is simply a choice of those in authority - not science, not fact or otherwise demonstrated and repeatable experimental results of transgender volleyball performance for men who played professional volleyball having real/unprovable/no performance advantages over women who play professional volleyball. i support any transgender/ or otherwise athlete that plays according to the rules they are given. i don't support the rules of the brazilian league - a philosophical position as there are no true scientific/experimental proofs to support those rules - just a policy based on opinions and moreso political correctness. please stop conflating an opinion based policy on non-existent fact/science if you can't cite the peer-reviewed (double blind ?) studies of this situation that demonstrates the validity of your opinion. i hope you will enjoy the challenge. Uh, did you skip the class on research methods on college? How do you propose to do a double blind study for this? Because that's not really how that works...
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