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Post by lemonice on Dec 6, 2017 18:10:01 GMT -5
You can obviously tell the difference in her built compared to the rest of the women on her team The same can be said of many women’s differing body types. The poster who described her actual performance on the court, minus the assumptions of what she could do, is on the right track to me. If I could read Italian I would try to post her stats for the previous season compared to soms others. In the final match of the season I noticed the opponent had a player who scored more points and hit for a higher percentage. Game Played Set Played Points Points/set Pereira Tiffany 8 32 211 6.59375 Mingardi Camilla 30 115 596 5.182608696 Vanzurova Tereza 26 92 450 4.891304348 Manfredini Costanza 30 112 546 4.875 Angelina Giulia 26 101 471 4.663366337 Bici Erblira 26 97 449 4.628865979 Aricò Ramona 30 100 456 4.56 Crittenden Naya 9 30 132 4.4 Percan Sonja 12 45 197 4.377777778 Zanette Elisa 19 73 309 4.232876712 Nenkovsk Elena 26 102 428 4.196078431 Kiosi Eleni 30 98 407 4.153061224 Baldi Gloria 28 104 424 4.076923077 Degradi Alice 30 102 395 3.87254902 She's statistically much better than number two, as number two is of number 13 (~27%)
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 6, 2017 18:12:12 GMT -5
Everything you listed is natural, born, genetic ability. I really enjoy women’s sports. I would hate to see some male born 475 ranked men’s tennis player decide to become a women and go break every record Serena Williams has worked her ass off for. For the preservation of women’s sports I think born gender is the classification people need to play under. Watch the video of him hitting as a man on a man net posted earlier. I don’t think there is a women in the world that hits like that on a men’s net. Same with UFC Fallon Fox. She has almost killed other women in the ring. Broke a women’s eye socket and another’s jaw. Women UFC fighters are not doing that to each other. But it’s had to have an open discussion with people when expressing a fact that she was born with an X and a Y gets you called transphobic. Maybe a 3rd league can be made and these first transgenders can be the Pioneers of it. That’s how women’s sports got started long ago. I mean NCAA women’s volleyball did not even exist 40 years ago. Do you know who Renee Richards is? Transgender people have existed since the dawn of time. If there has yet to be an influx of FTMs taking over women's sports to date, why are you worried it will start happening now that one player got a contract to play in Brazil? Well if you have been paying attention for the last two year you would realize that there is a huge agenda and everything is being pushed to the extreme. Have you figured out yet how this Buffoon got into office? It’s people taking some good progressive causes and shoving it down everyone else’s throats. Telling them if you don’t agree you are a bigot, homophobic, sexist, racist person. Just like you calling me transphobic because of a difference of opinion. By the way this all coming from a moderate libertarian.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 6, 2017 18:15:12 GMT -5
That always comes down to the same issue: what is an "allowable" advantage for a woman athlete to have? Or for that matter, for any athlete to have? Shall we restrict Ethiopians and Kenyans from the marathon because they have a genetic advantage? Usain Bolt clearly has an unfair genetic advantage over me when it comes to sprinting, so should he not be allowed to run? Or if you argue that men compete in the "open" division, then I would say that Kathryn Plummer is simply too good and too tall and too athletic for it to be fair that other college women have to play against her. Everything you listed is natural, born, genetic ability. This Brazilian player was natural-born too, right? Not a clone grown in a vat somewhere?
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Post by Dash22 on Dec 6, 2017 18:15:16 GMT -5
Oh now you’re going to resort to calling me names! Straight out of the liberal playbook. When they have NOTHING, they always resort back to calling people racists, homophobes, etc. Liberalism 101 at its finest! I call a man a man and that makes me intolerant, hateful, and a dolt? You madam, are a supreme idiot! LMAO! You called a woman a man precisely due to your intolerance, transphobia, and lack of knowledge. So, I just stated a fact and called you what you are, a hateful person. I happen to be a man, who you just called a woman, again either because you are ignorant and/or an ass. I called a man, a man and it irks you, that’s your problem. You’re missing the largest fact though, the fact that you’re a buffoon! You’re really a man, I mean a male? You sure fooled me, I thought you were a sniveling little schoolgirl! That would be a slight to all schoolgirls though!
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 6, 2017 18:19:10 GMT -5
You called a woman a man precisely due to your intolerance, transphobia, and lack of knowledge. So, I just stated a fact and called you what you are, a hateful person. I happen to be a man, who you just called a woman, again either because you are ignorant and/or an ass. I called a man, a man and irks you, that’s your problem. You’re missing the largest fact though, the fact that you’re a buffoon! You’re really a man, I mean a male? You sure fooled me, I thought you were a sniveling schoolgirl! That would be a slight to all schoolgirls though! I guess you are the "liberal" now, huh, since you seem to excel at name-calling. You argument is "because I say so," otherwise you have no basis for staking the claim you are. The International Olympic Committee, USAV, Court of Arbitration for Sport, among other legislative and regulatory bodies agree with me. I am glad to know that you think you are more knowledgeable about biology, anatomy and physiology, and psychology than the leaders of the most important organizations in volleyball.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 6, 2017 18:22:05 GMT -5
Do you know who Renee Richards is? Transgender people have existed since the dawn of time. If there has yet to be an influx of FTMs taking over women's sports to date, why are you worried it will start happening now that one player got a contract to play in Brazil? Well if you have been paying attention for the last two year you would realize that there is a huge agenda and everything is being pushed to the extreme. Have you figured out yet how this Buffoon got into office? It’s people taking some good progressive causes and shoving it down everyone else’s throats. Telling them if you don’t agree you are a bigot, homophobic, sexist, racist person. Just like you calling me transphobic because of a difference of opinion. By the way this all coming from a moderate libertarian. Wouldn't a libertarian be in favor or reducing unnecessary bureaucracy and government intervention into private lives? Tiffany is legally considered a woman, has provided what evidence was required to the regulatory body, and was hired by a women's team to compete against women. Simple.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Dec 6, 2017 18:32:29 GMT -5
How many professional female volleyball players are taller than 6'5? Stanford has a couple on their college team. Yes, and we joke that 6'2 isn't big enough for them. Last year they were the biggest college volleyball team I'd ever seen. I just don't think the word "plenty" was accurate when describing 6'5 female players.
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 6, 2017 18:54:37 GMT -5
Honestly I don't think it's fair to the other players in the league. Physically it appears she has a significant advantage in terms of strength and power compared to the other women. Men's volleyball is significant step up from women's in regards to strength, jumping, speed, and power. Even if Tifanny is now a woman, she clearly still has aspects of these elevated attributes that her opponents do not have. This gives her a major advantage. It is 100% a touchy subject, and at the same time I understand that excluding the transwomen from women's leagues can be considered discriminatory and exclusive, but in a physical sport where men and women compete at such different levels, and play in different leagues with different rules, I don't think it's fair to the other players for transwomen to compete. Congrats to Tifanny on the transition. Have you watched matches in which she has competed? Have you compared her statistics to other players? Do you know anything about her performance? Or are you just making assumptions about how she must play being a transgender woman? I've just seen clips after googling her today. Physically it appears that she clearly has an advantage over the other women, that's what I am alluding to. I'd be curious to see how high she touches, how powerfully she hits, etc. The whole thread is a little too touchy for me and people are getting pretty defensive and upset, so I'm making this my last post here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 19:13:08 GMT -5
Oh now you’re going to resort to calling me names! Straight out of the liberal playbook. When they have NOTHING, they always resort back to calling people racists, homophobes, etc. Liberalism 101 at its finest! I call a man a man and that makes me intolerant, hateful, and a dolt? You madam, are a supreme idiot! LMAO! How do you feel about people born with both genitalia? Just wondering your opinion and what makes them male or female. Intersex is more common than you would think. Erika Coimbra ( BRA, OH) 37 years old, she`s still playing and will be actually playing against Tiffanny as she plays in Brazil. She won Bronze medal at the 2000 OG. Coimbra is a hermaphrodite, born with both female and male genitalia. The non functioning male genitalia was removed and Coimbra passed all genetic testing required by the FIVB and the International Olympic Committee to play the 2000 Summer Olympics where she won the bronze medal.[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Érika_Coimbra
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 6, 2017 19:16:52 GMT -5
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Post by lo4um on Dec 6, 2017 19:29:46 GMT -5
He can call himself a woman but it will NEVER be! You have contributed so much to the discussion with your small-minded post. Thank you. Just because someone doesn’t agree they are small minded?
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 6, 2017 19:32:51 GMT -5
You have contributed so much to the discussion with your small-minded post. Thank you. Just because someone doesn’t agree they are small minded? When his opinion is distinctly founded on denying people the rights they are afforded by their state, the yeah.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 6, 2017 19:32:54 GMT -5
You have contributed so much to the discussion with your small-minded post. Thank you. Just because someone doesn’t agree they are small minded? That's crap. He called him small-minded because he said something small-minded, not because he said something he disagreed with.
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Post by lo4um on Dec 6, 2017 19:45:12 GMT -5
Someday one of your daughters, granddaughters, or your favorite team will lose at the hands of a man on the opposing team & maybe, just maybe it will click. Where’s the benefit? Besides for the team he is on & the person living his dream tearing it up in a women’s league, what gives?
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 6, 2017 19:46:59 GMT -5
Someday one of your daughters, granddaughters, or your favorite team will lose at the hands of a man on the opposing team & maybe, just maybe it will click. Where’s the benefit? Besides for the team he is on & the person living his dream tearing it up in a women’s league, what gives? I've been flat-out owned by women while playing co-ed ultimate. That's kind of the same thing, right?
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