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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 21:38:22 GMT -5
McLean's development will also be interesting to watch. And I am not overlooking Kleinman. She was coming back from an injury this year. Who knows? I think she can pass, too.
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Post by gogophers on Dec 11, 2017 21:55:29 GMT -5
I've harped on this before, but one more time can't hurt: Martin is the 16th ranked recruit. Yes, the rankings sometimes turn out to be undeserved, but more often, the very highly ranked players show their stuff, eventually, even if not always as quickly as the fans (and presumably the coaches and the players) would like. Both Harms and Wilhite didn't become stars until their senior years. Martin had a really, really bad November, and Hugh eventually threw in the towel and benched her. Perfectly understandable and long-over due, I thought. Now the question becomes, how does she respond to that demotion. I hope it lights a fire under her and she lives up to her potential sooner rather than later. It will be interesting to see whether she can reclaim her L2 role next year. Maybe.
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Dec 11, 2017 22:47:01 GMT -5
I've harped on this before, but one more time can't hurt: Martin is the 16th ranked recruit. Yes, the rankings sometimes turn out to be undeserved, but more often, the very highly ranked players show their stuff, eventually, even if not always as quickly as the fans (and presumably the coaches and the players) would like. Both Harms and Wilhite didn't become stars until their senior years. Martin had a really, really bad November, and Hugh eventually threw in the towel and benched her. Perfectly understandable and long-over due, I thought. Now the question becomes, how does she respond to that demotion. I hope it lights a fire under her and she lives up to her potential sooner rather than later. It will be interesting to see whether she can reclaim her L2 role next year. Maybe. I think your instinct on Martin is correct. So many times this year I wished she'd just fire up a bit. When she was on, she was without question our L2 (IMO). I think she's a better blocker than Hart (not just because she's taller), and is actually pretty quick in regard to defense. She's just so damn chicken %*$#. Reminds me of lot of Wilhite in that regard when she was a freshman. Wilhite's POY season was one of the most astonishing player transformations I've ever witnessed since I started watching NCAA volleyball 25 years ago. Yes, she was a top 15 recruit, but no one would've guessed the impact she'd have based on her first three seasons (Jr year started to show signs). I think at our best, Martin starts ahead of McClean and Kleinman. Adanna Rollins will throw in another competitor for that spot, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone transfers out for more playing time. If Martin gains some confidence, I predict she and Rollins will battle for L2 in '18. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 23:33:05 GMT -5
Rollins is elite. I saw her play at the Lone Star Classic and she was a terminal hitter against some strong Texas club blocks. Then again, she will be a freshman and I can't expect her to come out of the gates blazing. However, I do believe she will rise to the challenge and beat out Martin for the spot. If Rollins adapts to the speed of SSS, she will be very good IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 0:26:20 GMT -5
Opens up the possibility of a 6-2 in 2019. Especially with the arrival of Rubright.
As for Martin, let's not forget how much she improved from the spring of 2017 to this season. Her trajectory is still very, very good -- if she keeps improving.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 12, 2017 1:16:11 GMT -5
Does anyone have an opinion on Hart (passing + backrow attack) vs backrow specialist on what McCutcheon would like to do? I feel like McCutcheon overvalues backrow passing/defense in comparison to getting a legitimate backrow attack in. Them running their offense with both Sameday and Hart as backrow options would really add an additional element to their offense. If Hugh is using stats to a high degree, like Karch, he probably doesn’t see the value of the back row attack in the women’s game. Statistically it doesn’t score at a high rate, I think. |
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Dec 12, 2017 11:17:31 GMT -5
If Hugh is using stats to a high degree, like Karch, he probably doesn’t see the value of the back row attack in the women’s game. Statistically it doesn’t score at a high rate, I think. The data needs to be partitioned in volleyball. The coaches need to look at top level D1 play only if the goal is a national title. If that is done, I think the back row attack looks better. I haven't done it myself though. However, both Hugh and Karch include backrow attacking as part of their game plans so I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that they don't "see the value of the back row attack in the women’s game." |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 12, 2017 11:49:02 GMT -5
If Hugh is using stats to a high degree, like Karch, he probably doesn’t see the value of the back row attack in the women’s game. Statistically it doesn’t score at a high rate, I think. The data needs to be partitioned in volleyball. The coaches need to look at top level D1 play only if the goal is a national title. If that is done, I think the back row attack looks better. I haven't done it myself though. However, both Hugh and Karch include backrow attacking as part of their game plans so I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that they don't "see the value of the back row attack in the women’s game." I remember reading some analysis, here on VT I am sure about what the USWNT does use the back row more, and the answer was that statistically it is not a high percentage option in the women's game. That is all I know, but I figured I would share it as a plausible response to the OP's question. I loved watching Bricio smoke a bic, LOL. Maybe they know the dig-to-kill ratio is better than the back row attack kill percentage? |
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Post by courtwatchers on Dec 12, 2017 12:00:46 GMT -5
I have been entertaining the need to transfer in a MB in for next season. I see MNSPORTS255 is also. I truly do not see the improvement needed with this year's remaining players to IMPROVE on that part of our game. If someone, really wants to convince me otherwise, please do.
In 2019 Ruffda is talking a possible 6-2 offense. Besides Nielsen, who would be our other setter, the walk-on McMenimen?
Really like the 2019 class coming in consisting of Rubright, Kilkelly, and Husemann.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 13:11:31 GMT -5
In 2019 Ruffda is talking a possible 6-2 offense. Besides Nielsen, who would be our other setter, the walk-on McMenimen? Only if they end up needing to find a spot for BOTH Martin and Rollins (and possibly Morgan). It would be a way of utilizing their hitter depth. But, yes, McMenimen would need to be up to it -- or they'd need a transfer (not at all unlikely regardless). |
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Post by craftylefty on Dec 12, 2017 13:48:45 GMT -5
I thought I read somewhere that Rollins is a walk-on. Anyone able to confirm? Seems surprising to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 18:53:59 GMT -5
No, she is not a walk-on.
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Post by haze on Dec 12, 2017 20:25:00 GMT -5
I saw the chart that posts the the incoming recruits all the way through 2019 )or was it 2020?) Are scholarships all spoken for? Are the majority of all the recruits the next couple years committed? You'd think there's another high level setter out there in the next class or 2 that Gophers can get to run that 6-2 if thats the direction they want to go?
I think basketball was moving to committing at an age that was a little too young, but then I look here at volleyball and see there is no comparison. It's kind of crazy for me to think these coaches can confidently look at sophomores and say thats who they want because that seems to be happening everywhere at these elite programs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 20:27:10 GMT -5
Only 2018 recruits have made a written commitment. The 2019 and 2020 commitments are verbal.
Nebraska, of course, already has three 2021 commitments. Every bad trend in VB recruiting has started in Lincoln.
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Post by haze on Dec 12, 2017 20:32:25 GMT -5
That's just crazy. Do the coaches honor the scholarships to someone who has verbaled or do they take them off the table if there is an injury/transfer/late bloomer, whatever? I'm sure they could, but I would hope they would honor them to the kid and there are no Nick Saban moments where they offer and get a verbal and then there is none available to the kid when they graduate.
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