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Post by hornfanaustin on Dec 28, 2017 17:38:22 GMT -5
I can't explain the serving issues/problems. But, our serving errors were atrocious in 2016. In matches against Creighton and Nebraska in the tourney, we were very efficient with our serving. In 2017, I'm pretty sure we had a lot fewer serving errors than in 2016. Rounsaville really had serving issues all season. Micaya's jump serve comes with high risk/reward. Still wondering why Nwanebu did not serve all season. Each pre-season for the last few years, one of the areas improvement I hope for is tougher serving by our team. We'll see if that occurs in 2018. Serving errors 2016: 273 Serving errors 2017: 245 So...uhhh, better? Hmmm, piqued my interest. So, I started downloading stats for other Big12 teams. Below the Serving Errors for the others in 2017: OU: 146 WVU: 257 Tech: 206 ISU: 216 TCU: 217 Baylor: N/A (web site links not working) Kansas: 212 KSU: 237 So, Texas next-worst in service errors compared to our conference. Yet, OU with he lowest number of SE had a 7-22 record. [shrug] I don't disagree with anyone's assessment that UT needs to "improve the serve". But all factors being constant, how would we do that? 1. Hire a consultant? I think we're not allowed extra coaches 2. Replace an assistant coach with one who as serving as their expertise? 3. Have the current coaches go and learn new techniques from other coaches or consultants? 4. Tell that ladies to go and "get better" on their own? <sarcasm> I just always wondered (not sarcasm) what people expect when they say, " we need to get better". I totally agree, but how? |
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Post by southie on Dec 28, 2017 17:51:10 GMT -5
Wish I knew how to get our players to serve tougher and more efficiently; but, I have no coaching/playing background. :-)
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Post by nakedcrayon on Dec 28, 2017 20:00:23 GMT -5
Stop looking at service errors only before making blanket statements about the serving problems would be a strong start
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 29, 2017 10:50:43 GMT -5
I can't explain the serving issues/problems. But, our serving errors were atrocious in 2016. In matches against Creighton and Nebraska in the tourney, we were very efficient with our serving. In 2017, I'm pretty sure we had a lot fewer serving errors than in 2016. Rounsaville really had serving issues all season. Micaya's jump serve comes with high risk/reward. Still wondering why Nwanebu did not serve all season. Each pre-season for the last few years, one of the areas improvement I hope for is tougher serving by our team. We'll see if that occurs in 2018. Serving errors 2016: 273 Serving errors 2017: 245 So...uhhh, better? Hmmm, piqued my interest. So, I started downloading stats for other Big12 teams. Below the Serving Errors for the others in 2017: OU: 146 WVU: 257 Tech: 206 ISU: 216 TCU: 217 Baylor: N/A (web site links not working) Kansas: 212 KSU: 237 So, Texas next-worst in service errors compared to our conference. Yet, OU with he lowest number of SE had a 7-22 record. [shrug] I don't disagree with anyone's assessment that UT needs to "improve the serve". But all factors being constant, how would we do that? 1. Hire a consultant? I think we're not allowed extra coaches 2. Replace an assistant coach with one who as serving as their expertise? 3. Have the current coaches go and learn new techniques from other coaches or consultants? 4. Tell that ladies to go and "get better" on their own? <sarcasm> I just always wondered (not sarcasm) what people expect when they say, " we need to get better". I totally agree, but how? Players need to do a better job of hitting zones and serving low flat balls across the net. Way too often they’d serve easy lollipops that would basically be free balls to opposing teams. Or they’d serve an opposing libero instead of a weaker passer. Being a good serving team doesn’t mean a high number of aces as much as it means getting opposing teams out of system. Compared to Penn State, Nebraska and Stanford, I thought Texas was a far step or two below. The timing of missed serves was also pretty bad in some instances. Can’t miss a serve after 20, after a timeout, big rally, etc. Micaya’s out of control serve just isn’t that effective for how sporadic it is, Chiaka had a weak serve, Autumn could never get hers in, Lexi missed some big serves late, Shook/Hahn’s serve wasn’t very effective, etc. Ironically, in 2016 I thought Rounsaville and Ebony were 2 of the best servers, but Autumn struggled mightily in 2017 and Ebony never served. Gilbert had by far the most effective serve this season but wasn’t utilized enough. And you can definitely coach serving and spend more time on zones/seams while emphasizing keeping the ball low across the net. Serving isn’t nearly as technical as most other volleyball skills so it isn’t as hard to critique. You could definitely tell players to spend time on serving in the off-season and improvement will be made solely with more reps. My guess is the players and coaches just don’t focus enough on that skill. |
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Post by huskergeek on Dec 29, 2017 11:24:59 GMT -5
Texas actually had the highest error rate in the Big 12, averaging a service error every 10.2 serves. To be fair, that would have put them solidly in the middle of the big ten pack because the Big 12 is a much more compact conference in the statistic. What is unfortunate is that despite the high error rate, the ace rate which was one ace per 24.8 serves. That placed 7th in the Big 12 and would have ranked second to last in both the B1G and Pac. Their opponent-adjusted ace rate was sixth in the Big 12.
It is a testament to Texas frontline hitters that despite their apparent issues serving, they still ranked 12th nationally in opponent-adjusted service point percentage and 59th in flat service point percentage.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Dec 29, 2017 11:26:16 GMT -5
The timing of missed serves was also pretty bad in some instances. Can’t miss a serve after 20, after a timeout, big rally, etc. Micaya’s out of control serve just isn’t that effective for how sporadic it is, Chiaka had a weak serve, Autumn could never get hers in, Lexi missed some big serves late, Shook/Hahn’s serve wasn’t very effective, etc. Ironically, in 2016 I thought Rounsaville and Ebony were 2 of the best servers, but Autumn struggled mightily in 2017 and Ebony never served. Gilbert had by far the most effective serve this season but wasn’t utilized enough. And you can definitely coach serving and spend more time on zones/seams while emphasizing keeping the ball low across the net. Serving isn’t nearly as technical as most other volleyball skills so it isn’t as hard to critique. You could definitely tell players to spend time on serving in the off-season and improvement will be made solely with more reps. My guess is the players and coaches just don’t focus enough on that skill. I agree that Ebony had a decent serve in 2016. I wonder if it was Jerritt's plan to keep her from having to defend in the back row. The few games I saw her in the back row I thought she was as good as White. But, I think that Jerritt wanted to limited her to preserve her back (dives for digs). But then, that was a blanket statement I'm not sure was wise of me to make. And then, the short serves by Rounsaville and Hahn was too much trying to do exactly that, "ball low across the net". And that, is a blanket statement I'm willing to stand by. Also, most people like blankets, which in itself is a blanket statement. |
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Post by southie on Dec 29, 2017 11:47:13 GMT -5
Stop looking at service errors only before making blanket statements about the serving problems would be a strong start nakedcrayon, I always enjoy your insight despite being an Aggie. But, if you are an Aggie grad, I know you can do much better than that when it comes to grammar and punctuation. I've read your statement many times and I still can't decipher it. |
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 29, 2017 12:33:00 GMT -5
The timing of missed serves was also pretty bad in some instances. Can’t miss a serve after 20, after a timeout, big rally, etc. Micaya’s out of control serve just isn’t that effective for how sporadic it is, Chiaka had a weak serve, Autumn could never get hers in, Lexi missed some big serves late, Shook/Hahn’s serve wasn’t very effective, etc. Ironically, in 2016 I thought Rounsaville and Ebony were 2 of the best servers, but Autumn struggled mightily in 2017 and Ebony never served. Gilbert had by far the most effective serve this season but wasn’t utilized enough. And you can definitely coach serving and spend more time on zones/seams while emphasizing keeping the ball low across the net. Serving isn’t nearly as technical as most other volleyball skills so it isn’t as hard to critique. You could definitely tell players to spend time on serving in the off-season and improvement will be made solely with more reps. My guess is the players and coaches just don’t focus enough on that skill. I agree that Ebony had a decent serve in 2016. I wonder if it was Jerritt's plan to keep her from having to defend in the back row. The few games I saw her in the back row I thought she was as good as White. But, I think that Jerritt wanted to limited her to preserve her back (dives for digs). But then, that was a blanket statement I'm not sure was wise of me to make. And then, the short serves by Rounsaville and Hahn was too much trying to do exactly that, "ball low across the net". And that, is a blanket statement I'm willing to stand by. Also, most people like blankets, which in itself is a blanket statement. I thought Ebony was solid in the backrow too. I didn't see the Nebraska game at the beginning of 2015, but she did have 22 kills/17 digs playing 6 rotations...I think that was the only time she played across the backrow in college but it appears she did quite well. At Texas, I wish we'd see more players play 6 rotations like Ebony and Lexi. Unless the DS is a real stud defender/passer (which neither Roundsaville or Hahn were), I'd rather let pin hitters get more reps and develop as all around players. It's worked masterfully for Nebraska and Penn State over the years. Just this year alone, you saw players like Plummer and Simone Lee that weren't strong backrow players but improved significantly. This year they were two of the best backrow attackers in the country. Texas is doing the same with White, but I wish they left one of Sun/Ebony back there since I think they could've been stronger than Hahn/Roundsaville with more reps. I actually thought Lexi was a stronger than either of them besides a couple of lapses in matches. |
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Post by Disc808 on Dec 29, 2017 12:43:51 GMT -5
Texas should be worried about who is gonna play libero.... Yikes
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Post by nakedcrayon on Dec 29, 2017 14:20:56 GMT -5
Stop looking at service errors only before making blanket statements about the serving problems would be a strong start nakedcrayon, I always enjoy your insight despite being an Aggie. But, if you are an Aggie grad, I know you can do much better than that when it comes to grammar and punctuation. I've read your statement many times and I still can't decipher it.[/quote/] Don't rely on just service error totals There is much more to serving. Look at first ball side out percentage by the opponent. The number of times they are out of system to start the rally. I had a girl on my club team years ago who came to me in the last tourney of the season saying she hadn't missed a serve all season The number of out of system balls and aces probably equalled the number of missed serves she had. Zero. Also they will have more errors because they will serve more points compared to their opponents. It is no surprise the fewest service errors in conference is one of if not the worst records in the conference. Risk reward. |
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Post by southie on Dec 29, 2017 14:38:37 GMT -5
Texas has some players who need to focus on simply keeping their serve in play; that means keeping it out of the net, and not going beyond the end line. After that, those players can focus on a "tougher" serve and better placement. With Texas' formidable block, we have a chance at a point even if it's a weak serve.
For those players who are keeping their serve in play, but aren't putting any stress on the opponents, they perhaps need to focus on other elements of their serve.
I am guessing that Yaazie will play half a rotation and serve in 2018; that can help if she shows consistency with her serve.
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Post by nakedcrayon on Dec 29, 2017 15:17:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't want anyone to "just get it in" and then expect to be a top five program.
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Post by southie on Dec 29, 2017 16:11:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't want anyone to "just get it in" and then expect to be a top five program. Yet, other than this past season, we've managed to be a Top 1-4 program since 2008. Most of those years, we've had several players whose serve was a liability more often than not. But, in some matches, they were just adequate enough to not cost us a match. Trust me; I want to see improvement in our serving game. But, I don't expect every player to make the same strides between now and next season. |
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Post by volleyca on Dec 29, 2017 16:32:45 GMT -5
I agree that Ebony had a decent serve in 2016. I wonder if it was Jerritt's plan to keep her from having to defend in the back row. The few games I saw her in the back row I thought she was as good as White. But, I think that Jerritt wanted to limited her to preserve her back (dives for digs). But then, that was a blanket statement I'm not sure was wise of me to make. And then, the short serves by Rounsaville and Hahn was too much trying to do exactly that, "ball low across the net". And that, is a blanket statement I'm willing to stand by. Also, most people like blankets, which in itself is a blanket statement. I thought Ebony was solid in the backrow too. I didn't see the Nebraska game at the beginning of 2015, but she did have 22 kills/17 digs playing 6 rotations...I think that was the only time she played across the backrow in college but it appears she did quite well. At Texas, I wish we'd see more players play 6 rotations like Ebony and Lexi. Unless the DS is a real stud defender/passer (which neither Roundsaville or Hahn were), I'd rather let pin hitters get more reps and develop as all around players. It's worked masterfully for Nebraska and Penn State over the years. Just this year alone, you saw players like Plummer and Simone Lee that weren't strong backrow players but improved significantly. This year they were two of the best backrow attackers in the country. Texas is doing the same with White, but I wish they left one of Sun/Ebony back there since I think they could've been stronger than Hahn/Roundsaville with more reps. I actually thought Lexi was a stronger than either of them besides a couple of lapses in matches. [be I assumed Ebony didn’t play backrow for the majority of the last 2 years because of potential worsening of her injury. I believe she did play all 6 rotations her last year at USC |
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Post by southie on Dec 29, 2017 17:30:39 GMT -5
Ebony served all of 2016; she was subbed out after that for the next 2 1/2 rotations by Nicole Dalton (who never had a reliable serve while at Texas).
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