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Post by ay2013 on Dec 18, 2017 2:50:24 GMT -5
If you really wanna know how players and supporters felt about Mick, go to Lori Okimura’s Facebook page and read all the comments from former players and fans and supporters of USC Volleyball. Many players despised him. Meika Wagner is the only former player on there that openly said something. (And she wasnt even coached by Mick at USC but had an experience on the national team many moons ago). I worked with USC back in the Jupiter days - and almost everyone liked Mick alot back then (and I was the type of person you could confess anything too). When the indoor players crossed over for beach, they had a tough time with Anna, not Mick. Were the transfers his fault? What "key" player left besides Ebony? And Ebony's situation was more of injury/homesick laden. A lot of Wisconsin fans on here were critical of Gillis, who simply wasn't getting it done as a USC OH. Sary's issues were not with Mick. Schmidt wasn't looking to be that much of a stud. If LeGrand transfers - would that be Mick's fault? As someone who attended USC - this is freaking Los Angeles. A lot more is going on in these college girls brains than Mick Haley. There's a plethora of reasons why someone might not be a particular fit at USC. I've seen girls transfer schools because of a boy that they didn't even last with. fair points.... My issue with USC and Mick Haley is just a general desire for a changing of the guard in the Pac. We need new blood, a renewed energy and focus to keep our top players here, get in on the midwest/Texas action, and train and compete to win. Regardless of whose fault it was, and it does take a village, USC as a program just wasn't cutting it given the resources, history, and overall recruiting. I'm supportive of the administration wanting a new era of SC volleyball, even if process to get that is somewhat dubious. |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 18, 2017 2:52:16 GMT -5
If you really wanna know how players and supporters felt about Mick, go to Lori Okimura’s Facebook page and read all the comments from former players and fans and supporters of USC Volleyball. Many players despised him. Meika Wagner is the only former player on there that openly said something. (And she wasnt even coached by Mick at USC but had an experience on the national team many moons ago). I worked with USC back in the Jupiter days - and almost everyone liked Mick alot back then (and I was the type of person you could confess anything too). When the indoor players crossed over for beach, they had a tough time with Anna, not Mick. Were the transfers his fault? What "key" player left besides Ebony? And Ebony's situation was more of injury/homesick laden. A lot of Wisconsin fans on here were critical of Gillis, who simply wasn't getting it done as a USC OH. Sary's issues were not with Mick. Schmidt wasn't looking to be that much of a stud. If LeGrand transfers - would that be Mick's fault? As someone who attended USC - this is freaking Los Angeles. A lot more is going on in these college girls brains than Mick Haley. There's a plethora of reasons why someone might not be a particular fit at USC. I've seen girls transfer schools because of a boy that they didn't even last with. Walk ons quitting the sport because they weren’t going to play is not the same as transfers. Who are these 12/13 players in 5 years? Recruiting misses (Reed and Johnson) happen. Davis’s situation was unforseeable. Losing Falyn ... ugh. |
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 18, 2017 2:57:02 GMT -5
Meika Wagner is the only former player on there that openly said something. (And she wasnt even coached by Mick at USC but had an experience on the national team many moons ago). I worked with USC back in the Jupiter days - and almost everyone liked Mick alot back then (and I was the type of person you could confess anything too). When the indoor players crossed over for beach, they had a tough time with Anna, not Mick. Were the transfers his fault? What "key" player left besides Ebony? And Ebony's situation was more of injury/homesick laden. A lot of Wisconsin fans on here were critical of Gillis, who simply wasn't getting it done as a USC OH. Sary's issues were not with Mick. Schmidt wasn't looking to be that much of a stud. If LeGrand transfers - would that be Mick's fault? As someone who attended USC - this is freaking Los Angeles. A lot more is going on in these college girls brains than Mick Haley. There's a plethora of reasons why someone might not be a particular fit at USC. I've seen girls transfer schools because of a boy that they didn't even last with. Walk ons quitting the sport because they weren’t going to play is not the same as transfers. Who are these 12/13 players in 5 years? Recruiting misses (Reed and Johnson) happen. Davis’s situation was unforseeable. Losing Falyn ... ugh. There are like 7 or 8 players just on this current roster that were transfers.... regardless, I support a new HC for USC. it sucks for Mick, but c'est la vie. He had a good run, will forever be etched in VB history, but the sun eventually sets, nobody is forever. It's a sad way to go out, he should have just quietly resigned in the spring when he was asked to. This is turning into a circus. |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 18, 2017 2:58:33 GMT -5
Walk ons quitting the sport because they weren’t going to play is not the same as transfers. Who are these 12/13 players in 5 years? Recruiting misses (Reed and Johnson) happen. Davis’s situation was unforseeable. Losing Falyn ... ugh. There are like 7 or 8 players just on this current roster that were transfers.... So transfers in who play well and make a positive impact are bad?? And the implication from the FB post was that 13 players left in 5 years. |
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 18, 2017 3:01:59 GMT -5
There are like 7 or 8 players just on this current roster that were transfers.... So transfers in who play well and make a positive impact are bad?? And the implication from the FB post was that 13 players left in 5 years. I really don't care about the transfers, tbh. I support USC turning over a new era of VB, it's time. It's time for the old guard to start calling it a career. |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 18, 2017 3:04:46 GMT -5
So transfers in who play well and make a positive impact are bad?? And the implication from the FB post was that 13 players left in 5 years. I really don't care about the transfers, tbh. I support USC turning over a new era of VB, it's time. Me too. I called for it on the Hot Seat thread in mid September. I just want the facts to be presented fairly. |
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 18, 2017 3:05:40 GMT -5
I really don't care about the transfers, tbh. I support USC turning over a new era of VB, it's time. Me too. I called for it on the Hot Seat thread in mid September. I just want the facts to be presented fairly. I don't think saying "transfers" implies JUST transfer outs. |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 18, 2017 3:14:14 GMT -5
Me too. I called for it on the Hot Seat thread in mid September. I just want the facts to be presented fairly. I don't think saying "transfers" implies JUST transfer outs. I dunno. But if Murtagh, Welsh, Adams, Leonard, and Withers found a better home at USC, Geiger got to play her last year of eligibility, and Meyer-Whalley played 2 seasons she otherwise wouldn’t have, I am not sure why it is lumped in with transfers out and implied to be negative. Is it out of the ordinary? Sure. Ideal? Maybe not. Did they outperform everyone in the PAC except Stanford and about 325 other D1 programs? Yes. |
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Post by ironhammer on Dec 18, 2017 3:45:51 GMT -5
There are always so many behind the scenes reasons for these decisions. Having been an assistant at USC under JMac, I can tell you that the expectations are very high. I remember then AD, Hesiman winner Mike Garrett, walking into our office in the middle of a mediocre 92 season,(us having won the NCAA in 90 and finished 2nd in 91) and asking Jim why we were struggling. Jim was a bit shocked, but I was like “What do you expect? This is USC.” I thought Garrett not only had every right to grill us but it was good to have high expectations. Mick Haley by his own admission had an adversarial relationship with his boss. And you are SURPRISED your contract does not get renewed? And as an attorney, I guess you don’t have much cause when your contract doesn’t get renewed. There is not only no obligation to renew a contract, but California is a right to work stare and employees can be fired without cause. So really Mick has no case here. Claim age discrimination all you want. But you need to prove that. Good luck. I am not an AD apologist. But managing up is a critical skill in any organization. So do you know for a fact that Mick was fired because of falling below expectations? Or is that just your own opinion? As for the adversarial relationship, why are you implying that must be Mick's fault? Denials notwithstanding, seems like you got an axe to grind with Mick. |
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Post by ironhammer on Dec 18, 2017 3:46:48 GMT -5
So who's gonna replace him? Who do you want to see him being replaced with? And how long will he or she last?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 5:46:52 GMT -5
Meika Wagner is the only former player on there that openly said something. Charlene Johnson Whitted said something also, she played for him on the Sydney Olympic team. Kee Ster whoever she is. Says she's getting a lot other alum mail saying the same. And you can't say that isn't an unusual number of transfers in a short time. |
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Post by Sbilo on Dec 18, 2017 6:01:53 GMT -5
If you really wanna know how players and supporters felt about Mick, go to Lori Okimura’s Facebook page and read all the comments from former players and fans and supporters of USC Volleyball. Many players despised him. Feel bad for Mick really after reading those comments. |
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Post by sonofdogman on Dec 18, 2017 7:13:16 GMT -5
"It's about time"
"I can go to matches again"
Lori Okimura with worse form than Lynn Swann? The Democratic Republicans are calling for an ethics probe...
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Post by VBCOACH on Dec 18, 2017 9:47:24 GMT -5
Regarding the age factor cmon people give usc some slack regardless of how poor the announcement came out Seriously some of you expect an ad to commit to having a 78 year old coach in 4 years? I mean can an entity not factor that in? Would it be any different if he was 84? If you think so then arent you then still discriminating because if age Politics aside, do you know how old the current President of The United States is? Both Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan were elected to the Presidency at age 70. Reagan was running the country at age 78 during his last year in office. So, if you can be The President of The United States at that age, do you think you can't coach volleyball at 70+ years? |
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Post by jasonr on Dec 18, 2017 10:02:47 GMT -5
Regarding the age factor cmon people give usc some slack regardless of how poor the announcement came out Seriously some of you expect an ad to commit to having a 78 year old coach in 4 years? I mean can an entity not factor that in? Would it be any different if he was 84? If you think so then arent you then still discriminating because if age Politics aside, do you know how old the current President of The United States is? Both Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan were elected to the Presidency at age 70. Reagan was running the country at age 78 during his last year in office. So, if you can be The President of The United States at that age, do you think you can't coach volleyball at 70+ years? It can definitely be done. However, probability suggests a precipitous drop off in physical vigor and mental acuity. It becomes an argument about chronological age vs. biological age. In Mick's specific case, it doesn't appear that mental acuity and general motivation/vigor entails that his age is an issue yet. |
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