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Post by pepperbrooks on Dec 18, 2017 10:24:24 GMT -5
Regarding the age factor cmon people give usc some slack regardless of how poor the announcement came out Seriously some of you expect an ad to commit to having a 78 year old coach in 4 years? I mean can an entity not factor that in? Would it be any different if he was 84? If you think so then arent you then still discriminating because if age Politics aside, do you know how old the current President of The United States is? Both Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan were elected to the Presidency at age 70. Reagan was running the country at age 78 during his last year in office. So, if you can be The President of The United States at that age, do you think you can't coach volleyball at 70+ years? Because politics you're dealing with peers for the most part. College volleyball you're trying to identify, inspire, and relate to teenagers and young adults. As president you have the greatest assembled group of advisors and smart people. In college volleyball you have two assistants, a DOVO, SWA... |
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Post by southie on Dec 18, 2017 11:26:16 GMT -5
Looks like skeletons will soon start crawling out of the closet . . .
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 18, 2017 12:00:42 GMT -5
So transfers in who play well and make a positive impact are bad?? And the implication from the FB post was that 13 players left in 5 years. I really don't care about the transfers, tbh. I support USC turning over a new era of VB, it's time. It's time for the old guard to start calling it a career. It is 13 that either transferred out or otherwise did not continue with the program. I guess it's 12 since Davis doesn't really count, but 12 in 5 years (and 8 in 3?) ?!?!?!!? Ebony Nwanebu Lauryn Gillis Baylee Johnson Rachel Reed Imani Davis Sarah Livingston Cinnmaon Sary Kiara Wright Taylor Wheatley Tatum Harvey Noelle Pardo Kelly Wimmer Anne Marie Schmidt |
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Post by loken on Dec 18, 2017 12:25:22 GMT -5
There are always so many behind the scenes reasons for these decisions. Having been an assistant at USC under JMac, I can tell you that the expectations are very high. I remember then AD, Hesiman winner Mike Garrett, walking into our office in the middle of a mediocre 92 season,(us having won the NCAA in 90 and finished 2nd in 91) and asking Jim why we were struggling. Jim was a bit shocked, but I was like “What do you expect? This is USC.” I thought Garrett not only had every right to grill us but it was good to have high expectations. Mick Haley by his own admission had an adversarial relationship with his boss. And you are SURPRISED your contract does not get renewed? And as an attorney, I guess you don’t have much cause when your contract doesn’t get renewed. There is not only no obligation to renew a contract, but California is a right to work stare and employees can be fired without cause. So really Mick has no case here. Claim age discrimination all you want. But you need to prove that. Good luck. I am not an AD apologist. But managing up is a critical skill in any organization. So do you know for a fact that Mick was fired because of falling below expectations? Or is that just your own opinion? As for the adversarial relationship, why are you implying that must be Mick's fault? Denials notwithstanding, seems like you got an axe to grind with Mick. Seriously? No where did I say that Mick was fired because of falling below expectations. If you bothered to read my post, I made no claims as to what I thought of Mick's performance. I am simply stating the fact that expectations are high at USC. A fact I know because I coached there. As to Mick's adversarial relationship with his boss, I made no claims as to whose fault that was. I simply stated that one shouldn't be surprised if your contract isn't renewed if you have a bad relationship with your boss. Common sense. Next time, actually read what I say, and try to comprehend it, before you try to start something. |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 18, 2017 12:25:34 GMT -5
I really don't care about the transfers, tbh. I support USC turning over a new era of VB, it's time. It's time for the old guard to start calling it a career. It is 13 that either transferred out or otherwise did not continue with the program. I guess it's 12 since Davis doesn't really count, but 12 in 5 years (and 8 in 3?) ?!?!?!!? Ebony Nwanebu Lauryn Gillis Baylee Johnson Rachel Reed Imani Davis Sarah Livingston Cinnmaon Sary Kiara Wright Taylor Wheatley Tatum Harvey Noelle Pardo Kelly Wimmer Anne Marie Schmidt Livingston was 22 and graduated. The walk ons were never going to play and left. Maybe it would be nice to have them hang around, but why is it a big deal? Reed didn’t pan out and wasn’t going to play. Johnson clearly has issues and unrelated to Mick Nwanebu and Gillis, yeah, Mick f-ed up. But Gillis got herself benched as a senior at Wisconsin. She wasn’t all she was cracked up to be. USC isn’t cheap. There is no in-state tuition. That walk-ons quit once they realize they won’t play isn’t a sign of a terrible coach IMHO. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 18, 2017 12:28:45 GMT -5
It is 13 that either transferred out or otherwise did not continue with the program. I guess it's 12 since Davis doesn't really count, but 12 in 5 years (and 8 in 3?) ?!?!?!!? Ebony Nwanebu Lauryn Gillis Baylee Johnson Rachel Reed Imani Davis Sarah Livingston Cinnmaon Sary Kiara Wright Taylor Wheatley Tatum Harvey Noelle Pardo Kelly Wimmer Anne Marie Schmidt Livingston was 22 and graduated. The walk ons were never going to play and left. Maybe it would be nice to have them hang around, but why is it a big deal? Reed didn’t pan out and wasn’t going to play. Johnson clearly has issues and unrelated to Mick Nwanebu and Gillis, yeah, Mick f-ed up. But Gillis got herself benched as a senior at Wisconsin. She wasn’t all she was cracked up to be. USC isn’t cheap. There is no in-state tuition. That walk-ons quit once they realize they won’t play isn’t a sign of a terrible coach IMHO. You're vastly underestimating the circumstances where Mick f'ed up. And walk-ons are people too (plus a good number of them did get court time...and did stay at the school despite it being oh so expensive). Listen, I'm a fan of a program that has also had a lot of roster turnover, and you will always hear a good "explanation" for each individual case... but at some point you have to look at the aggregate numbers and realize it doesn't all add up. |
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Post by sevb on Dec 18, 2017 12:32:19 GMT -5
Who is Lori Okimura? Is she related to Omorosa? She’s someone who makes things happen at USA volleyball... interesting that she’s putting that stuff on her social media... wonder how she would feel if and when some of her USA volleyball choices were to be handled the same way? |
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Post by loken on Dec 18, 2017 12:49:11 GMT -5
Lori, used to be part of the USC volleyball program. She was with the women when I was coaching with the men. I don't think, if you actually read what she says, she is out of line in any way. She is an alum. She has a right to discuss. Ease up.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Dec 18, 2017 12:51:32 GMT -5
Ronald Reagan was President at 78. Mick Jagger is 75 and has a 6 month old son and still sells out tours with his band. Pablo Picasso was still painting and having children at 90. Bill Clinton if he could run again would be elected President at 72. Mick Haley should sue and win a suit against USC It'll never get that far. |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 18, 2017 12:54:32 GMT -5
Livingston was 22 and graduated. The walk ons were never going to play and left. Maybe it would be nice to have them hang around, but why is it a big deal? Reed didn’t pan out and wasn’t going to play. Johnson clearly has issues and unrelated to Mick Nwanebu and Gillis, yeah, Mick f-ed up. But Gillis got herself benched as a senior at Wisconsin. She wasn’t all she was cracked up to be. USC isn’t cheap. There is no in-state tuition. That walk-ons quit once they realize they won’t play isn’t a sign of a terrible coach IMHO. You're vastly underestimating the circumstances where Mick f'ed up. And walk-ons are people too (plus a good number of them did get court time...and did stay at the school despite it being oh so expensive). Listen, I'm a fan of a program that has also had a lot of roster turnover, and you will always hear a good "explanation" for each individual case... but at some point you have to look at the aggregate numbers and realize it doesn't all add up. I think Mick's gruff nature at times may not be what this generation is looking for in a coach, and I am in favor of USC moving on. I think the roster drops show a problem with recruiting or vetting PSAs as much as anything (two failed out, at least one was a poor recruiting choice, one was a medical retirement, rest made room for players like Geiger and Adams who really performed and deserved a spot this year). Maybe he was too lax in letting walk-ons join the team. I assume he was probably too hard on many of them too. Still, isn't John Cook constantly maligned on VT for his roster shifting too much - and he is winning NCs. I don't know anything about Sary (I really only started following prep players recently) but other posters say that has nothing to do with Mick. Maybe you (or someone else) know differently. |
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Post by sevb on Dec 18, 2017 13:09:22 GMT -5
As the Chair of USA volleyball Board of Directors... one would think she would be considerate of the community as a whole... even if she supports his removal... but in my opinion USC didn’t handle this properly either (not to say the choice wasn’t theirs to make)
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Dec 18, 2017 13:10:07 GMT -5
You're vastly underestimating the circumstances where Mick f'ed up. And walk-ons are people too (plus a good number of them did get court time...and did stay at the school despite it being oh so expensive). Listen, I'm a fan of a program that has also had a lot of roster turnover, and you will always hear a good "explanation" for each individual case... but at some point you have to look at the aggregate numbers and realize it doesn't all add up. I think Mick's gruff nature at times may not be what this generation is looking for in a coach, and I am in favor of USC moving on. I think the roster drops show a problem with recruiting or vetting PSAs as much as anything (two failed out, at least one was a poor recruiting choice, one was a medical retirement, rest made room for players like Geiger and Adams who really performed and deserved a spot this year). Maybe he was too lax in letting walk-ons join the team. I assume he was probably too hard on many of them too. Still, isn't John Cook constantly maligned on VT for his roster shifting too much - and he is winning NCs. I don't know anything about Sary (I really only started following prep players recently) but other posters say that has nothing to do with Mick. Maybe you (or someone else) know differently. Sary? It had everything to do with Mick. |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 18, 2017 13:44:24 GMT -5
She’s someone who makes things happen at USA volleyball... interesting that she’s putting that stuff on her social media... wonder how she would feel if and when some of her USA volleyball choices were to be handled the same way?
Lori Okimura, the chairwoman of USA Volleyball’s board of directors, says the decision to allow Butler to return as an administrator was “flawed.”
“We want to make sure going forward these cases are not handled the way they were 20 years ago,” Okimura said.
www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/usa-volleyball-regrets-reinstating-coach-accused-sex-abuse-article-1.2700527
P E T T Y! I love it! |
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Post by tomclen on Dec 18, 2017 14:10:16 GMT -5
Man, I think if I was in a leadership position of an organization that reinstated Butler, I might want to keep a pretty low profile on social media. And I don't think I'd throw stones from the backyard of may glass house.
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 18, 2017 14:14:20 GMT -5
Man, I think if I was in a leadership position of an organization that reinstated Butler, I might want to keep a pretty low profile on social media. And I don't think I'd throw stones from the backyard of may glass house. I was shocked. She is someone who REALLY should not be pointing fingers and throwing stones. |
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