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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 18, 2017 16:26:22 GMT -5
So do you know for a fact that Mick was fired because of falling below expectations? Or is that just your own opinion? As for the adversarial relationship, why are you implying that must be Mick's fault? Denials notwithstanding, seems like you got an axe to grind with Mick. My impression, and it is just an impression (I have no inside information whatsoever), is that the decision had nothing to do with performance expectations or his coaching bona fides, but much more likely with human relations with, and behavior relative to, both his superiors and players. He was an "old school" coach in a "new school" era, if you will, out of step with both those trying to manage him and those he was charged with managing. He might also have resented and rebelled at taking direction from a younger and female boss. I suspect that this was long brewing, with all but the timing decided well before last spring. |
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Post by lovebugsm on Dec 18, 2017 21:50:30 GMT -5
Hey way to sweep Minnesota in the sweet 16 Coach! Here is your reward?
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Post by sunger4222 on Dec 18, 2017 21:58:48 GMT -5
Ronald Reagan was President at 78. Mick Jagger is 75 and has a 6 month old son and still sells out tours with his band. Pablo Picasso was still painting and having children at 90. Bill Clinton if he could run again would be elected President at 72. Mick Haley should sue and win a suit against USC It'll never get that far. |
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Post by sunger4222 on Dec 18, 2017 22:14:05 GMT -5
You're right Pepper, USC would not let it go to court, and a settlement would be reached before that.
And you're wrong bigfan. In the current political situation, Bill would never even run again, too much baggage. Enough on that.
Finally, we (the general pukes we are) don't know both sides of the whole story, and probably never will. I'm sad that Mick departed the way he did, but excited for the future of USC Women's Volleyball, and anxious to see where Mick will finish his amazing career.
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Post by ironhammer on Dec 18, 2017 22:16:56 GMT -5
So do you know for a fact that Mick was fired because of falling below expectations? Or is that just your own opinion? As for the adversarial relationship, why are you implying that must be Mick's fault? Denials notwithstanding, seems like you got an axe to grind with Mick. Seriously? No where did I say that Mick was fired because of falling below expectations. If you bothered to read my post, I made no claims as to what I thought of Mick's performance. I am simply stating the fact that expectations are high at USC. A fact I know because I coached there. As to Mick's adversarial relationship with his boss, I made no claims as to whose fault that was. I simply stated that one shouldn't be surprised if your contract isn't renewed if you have a bad relationship with your boss. Common sense. Next time, actually read what I say, and try to comprehend it, before you try to start something. I read just fine, thank you very much. The tone of your post said enough, the implications was there for all to see. Instead of getting defensive, maybe try to answer my question? Or is that too hard for you?  |
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Post by ironhammer on Dec 18, 2017 22:20:37 GMT -5
So do you know for a fact that Mick was fired because of falling below expectations? Or is that just your own opinion? As for the adversarial relationship, why are you implying that must be Mick's fault? Denials notwithstanding, seems like you got an axe to grind with Mick. My impression, and it is just an impression (I have no inside information whatsoever), is that the decision had nothing to do with performance expectations or his coaching bona fides, but much more likely with human relations with, and behavior relative to, both his superiors and players. He was an "old school" coach in a "new school" era, if you will, out of step with both those trying to manage him and those he was charged with managing. He might also have resented and rebelled at taking direction from a younger and female boss. I suspect that this was long brewing, with all but the timing decided well before last spring. Yeah, that could be a plausible explanation. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 18, 2017 22:48:02 GMT -5
It's a sad way to go out, he should have just quietly resigned in the spring when he was asked to. I don't get this. After some disappointing seasons, he had built a team that ended up taking second place in the conference and getting within a single point of the Final Four. And he's supposed to smile and just hand that over to someone else? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 23:00:22 GMT -5
Hey way to sweep Minnesota in the sweet 16 Coach! Here is your reward? Taking Florida to a match point was the impressive achievement. Minnesota was not a top 10 team by the NCAA tournament. Not sure they were top 16. |
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 19, 2017 0:55:17 GMT -5
It's a sad way to go out, he should have just quietly resigned in the spring when he was asked to. I don't get this. After some disappointing seasons, he had built a team that ended up taking second place in the conference and getting within a single point of the Final Four. And he's supposed to smile and just hand that over to someone else? well if he was asked to resign in the spring, this season hadn't happened yet, right? Separately, it's sad in that I'm sure he anticipated this happening this year, given the events of last spring. To end his tenure at USC with all of this public drama....it's just sad. I'm not sure why he'd WANT to stay at a program that didn't want him. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 19, 2017 1:01:16 GMT -5
I don't get this. After some disappointing seasons, he had built a team that ended up taking second place in the conference and getting within a single point of the Final Four. And he's supposed to smile and just hand that over to someone else? well if he was asked to resign in the spring, this season hadn't happened yet, right? Separately, it's sad in that I'm sure he anticipated this happening this year, given the events of last spring. To end his tenure at USC with all of this public drama....it's just sad. I'm not sure why he'd WANT to stay at a program that didn't want him. You think Mick didn't know he had a good team in place? |
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 19, 2017 1:04:52 GMT -5
well if he was asked to resign in the spring, this season hadn't happened yet, right? Separately, it's sad in that I'm sure he anticipated this happening this year, given the events of last spring. To end his tenure at USC with all of this public drama....it's just sad. I'm not sure why he'd WANT to stay at a program that didn't want him. You think Mick didn't know he had a good team in place? I think Mick knew that he was going to be fired. I'm not sure what the team for this year has to do with anything. Mick knew the administration wanted to go in a different direction with the volleyball program when they asked for him to resign. That would be a more respectable way, for both parties, to save face. Make up some dumb excuse and Mick leave without too much drama other than an internal hammer to his pride. I'm sure he's smart enough to know that the administration was going to get rid of him one way or the other, he chose the other, drama filled public firings and now sour grapes litigation. |
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Post by trojansc on Dec 19, 2017 1:33:03 GMT -5
I really hope Indiana or Texas A&M take Haley. Those schools strike me as good fits for Haley.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 19, 2017 1:41:37 GMT -5
You think Mick didn't know he had a good team in place? I think Mick knew that he was going to be fired. I'm not sure what the team for this year has to do with anything. Mick knew the administration wanted to go in a different direction with the volleyball program when they asked for him to resign. That would be a more respectable way, for both parties, to save face. Make up some dumb excuse and Mick leave without too much drama other than an internal hammer to his pride. I'm sure he's smart enough to know that the administration was going to get rid of him one way or the other, he chose the other, drama filled public firings and now sour grapes litigation. Maybe he didn't WANT to be fired? And he had a contract? So he had the right to coach another season? I've been laid off. I really didn't feel any obligation to go out of my way to make it easier on the people who did it. |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 19, 2017 1:42:24 GMT -5
I really hope Indiana or Texas A&M take Haley. Those schools strike me as good fits for Haley. A&M already hired. |
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Dec 19, 2017 1:48:47 GMT -5
I really hope Indiana or Texas A&M take Haley. Those schools strike me as good fits for Haley. A&M has hired. |
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