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Post by loken on Dec 19, 2017 1:58:44 GMT -5
Seriously? No where did I say that Mick was fired because of falling below expectations. If you bothered to read my post, I made no claims as to what I thought of Mick's performance. I am simply stating the fact that expectations are high at USC. A fact I know because I coached there. As to Mick's adversarial relationship with his boss, I made no claims as to whose fault that was. I simply stated that one shouldn't be surprised if your contract isn't renewed if you have a bad relationship with your boss. Common sense. Next time, actually read what I say, and try to comprehend it, before you try to start something. I read just fine, thank you very much. The tone of your post said enough, the implications was there for all to see. Instead of getting defensive, maybe try to answer my question? Or is that too hard for you?  I addressed your statements, but you refuse to accept that. Clearly your comprehension is challenged. My answers were succinct, yet you still don't understand, even when explained. Go troll elsewhere. |
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Post by ironhammer on Dec 19, 2017 4:09:20 GMT -5
I read just fine, thank you very much. The tone of your post said enough, the implications was there for all to see. Instead of getting defensive, maybe try to answer my question? Or is that too hard for you? I addressed your statements, but you refuse to accept that. Clearly your comprehension is challenged. My answers were succinct, yet you still don't understand, even when explained. Go troll elsewhere. I'm not trolling. I asked you to answer my questions, which you didn't. You avoid it by bullsh**ting about reading comprehension. The tone and implications from your post was unmistakable, if anything, it is you who are denying what you wrote. So who is the one with the reading comprehension issue? Not me.  |
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Post by tomclen on Dec 19, 2017 6:27:09 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious the USC athletic department and their AD (who by the way, prior to this job had not one single day of experience in any college or high school athletic department) had their reasons for wanting Haley gone.
It also seems obvious Haley thought he was being unfairly treated by his supervisors.
But, even if I can somehow be convinced that USC was 100% correct and Haley was absolutely deserving of being fired, I still can NOT accept how this was handled.
The guy was at the Finals, at the AVCA convention, on the road with his peers after a long and extremely successful career.
If you want to be respected as a world-class athletic department...if you want to be seen as a principled institution of higher learning, you figure out a way to handle a challenging situation with more class.
AD's all across the country handle difficult personnel matters all the time. Many of them involve high-caliber head coaches.
This could have easily been done the day after the USC regional final loss, or the Monday morning after the championship match. Doing it the morning of the final while the coaches are all in KC strikes me as a very low, classless, bush-league move.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 19, 2017 6:39:13 GMT -5
Doing it the morning of the final while the coaches are all in KC strikes me as a very low, classless, bush-league move. Maybe best not to use the phrase "bush-league" when talking about USC athletics. Or at least give them a trigger warning or something. |
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Post by 4cornervb on Dec 19, 2017 8:20:28 GMT -5
I know USC gave Mick every option to step away gracefully and he chose not to. Mick did a good not great job at USC since 2003. His contract was up and USC and I also believe that there is a coach out there who can do a good job in the win/loss column and connect with the alumnae and players.
Mick is not running drills or hitting digging reps and I doubt he is putting the scouting report together so his job is to advocate for his program with the administration, manage staff and players, and connect with the alumnae. It is already been reported that he felt his relationship with his supervisor was waning. The alumnae have never really been supportive of him and I don’t think anyone has a problem with his results on the court but that is only 1/3 of his job.
If he really wants to continue to coach and he is as energetic and passionate as stated there should be no problem getting another job given his resume. I wish Mick the best of luck and hope he rethinks “lawyering up” because that is the last thing you do if you want to coach again.
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Post by southie on Dec 19, 2017 8:40:38 GMT -5
For those who are confident Mick was asked to resign this past Spring, why didn't he file an age discrimination lawsuit as soon as he felt he was being treated unfairly?
Perhaps he thought that a successful season would change the minds of the decision-makers. Yet, if he truly believed he was being singled out for his age, why would you want to work at a place like that anyway?
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 19, 2017 8:48:06 GMT -5
The guy was at the Finals, at the AVCA convention, on the road with his peers after a long and extremely successful career. I heard about this Thursday morning at the start of convention and I wasn't even in KC. I imagine Mick knew before I did. Totally agree. Dropping the press release on Saturday was low-class. However, one of the harder things to do for an AD is to exit a long-tenured successful coach at or near the end of his career. Most places find a way to screw it up. Swann botching this is not a surprise. |
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Post by 4cornervb on Dec 19, 2017 11:50:25 GMT -5
I think anytime a coach is asked to leave it is going to be a tough situation to manage. With that said the question I ask myself is, “Why does he want to continue to coach at his age.”
My guess would be that he has enough money and retirement socked away to live a pretty comfortably through his life but he is on his second wife and she is considerable younger than him and he may not have enough to keep her living comfortably until she is 95.
If that is the case, I don’t see that as being USC’s problem. I think USC has paid Mick well throughout his tenure and the benefits at a place like USC have probably been excellent.
Everybody was worried that USC was going to fall off the map when Jerritt left and that didn’t happen. Since that time USC has built the Galen Center and has added every other support need to maintain a high level of relevance in volleyball.
Mick is made this legal issue not because he want to continue to coach, He wants one last big pay day to position his family comfortably for their future. USC fulfilled their part of the agreement/contract and their choice to not renew is well within their rights. There are a lot of jobs open that Mick could pursue if he really wanted to coach but I am not sure that is what this is all about.
I think there is a place for Mick in volleyball but I am not sure it should be at USC any longer. I wish USC and Mick had had these conversations ten years ago and USC had put a whole life insurance policy in place for his family and paid it off over the last ten years. I do not think this is a Lynn Swann botch and I hope other coaches on their second family use this as a cautionary tale and plan accordingly in their last ten years of employment.
I have seen this happen to other coaches with signicantly younger spouses and I hope it all works out for both parties.
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Post by tomclen on Dec 19, 2017 12:11:11 GMT -5
My guess would be that he has enough money and retirement socked away to live a pretty comfortably through his life but he is on his second wife and she is considerable younger than him and he may not have enough to keep her living comfortably until she is 95. I have seen this happen to other coaches with signicantly younger spouses and I hope it all works out for both parties. Unless Haley told you or told someone you know, this seems like a whole lot of somewhat unseemly speculation. |
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 19, 2017 12:15:33 GMT -5
My guess would be that he has enough money and retirement socked away to live a pretty comfortably through his life but he is on his second wife and she is considerable younger than him and he may not have enough to keep her living comfortably until she is 95. I have seen this happen to other coaches with signicantly younger spouses and I hope it all works out for both parties. Unless Haley told you or told someone you know, this seems like a whole lot of somewhat unseemly speculation. That entire post was strange and ridiculous. I do not understand. |
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Post by greenpier on Dec 19, 2017 12:17:32 GMT -5
I think anytime a coach is asked to leave it is going to be a tough situation to manage. With that said the question I ask myself is, “Why does he want to continue to coach at his age.” My guess would be that he has enough money and retirement socked away to live a pretty comfortably through his life but he is on his second wife and she is considerable younger than him and he may not have enough to keep her living comfortably until she is 95. If that is the case, I don’t see that as being USC’s problem. I think USC has paid Mick well throughout his tenure and the benefits at a place like USC have probably been excellent. Everybody was worried that USC was going to fall off the map when Jerritt left and that didn’t happen. Since that time USC has built the Galen Center and has added every other support need to maintain a high level of relevance in volleyball. Mick is made this legal issue not because he want to continue to coach, He wants one last big pay day to position his family comfortably for their future. USC fulfilled their part of the agreement/contract and their choice to not renew is well within their rights. Theirs are a lot of jobs open that Mick could pursue if he really wanted to coach but I am not sure that is what this is all about. I think there is a place for Mick in volleyball but I am not sure it should be at USC any longer. I wish USC and Mick had had these conversations ten years ago and USC had put a whole life insurance policy in place for his family and paid it off over the last ten years. I do not think this is a Lynn Swann botch and I hope other coaches on their second family use this as a cautionary tale and plan accordingly in their last ten years of employment. I have seen this happen to other coaches with signicantly younger spouses and I hope it all works out for both parties. This is one of the best and most insulting posts I have ever read on Volleytalk, I am laughing my A$$ off. |
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Post by BeiBei on Dec 19, 2017 12:21:31 GMT -5
Unless Haley told you or told someone you know, this seems like a whole lot of somewhat unseemly speculation. That entire post was strange and ridiculous. I do not understand. The statement about EVERYONE worried about USC falling off the map when Elliot left is just ridiculous |
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Post by sunger4222 on Dec 19, 2017 12:29:56 GMT -5
I think anytime a coach is asked to leave it is going to be a tough situation to manage. With that said the question I ask myself is, “Why does he want to continue to coach at his age.” My guess would be that he has enough money and retirement socked away to live a pretty comfortably through his life but he is on his second wife and she is considerable younger than him and he may not have enough to keep her living comfortably until she is 95. If that is the case, I don’t see that as being USC’s problem. I think USC has paid Mick well throughout his tenure and the benefits at a place like USC have probably been excellent. Everybody was worried that USC was going to fall off the map when Jerritt left and that didn’t happen. Since that time USC has built the Galen Center and has added every other support need to maintain a high level of relevance in volleyball. Mick is made this legal issue not because he want to continue to coach, He wants one last big pay day to position his family comfortably for their future. USC fulfilled their part of the agreement/contract and their choice to not renew is well within their rights. Theirs are a lot of jobs open that Mick could pursue if he really wanted to coach but I am not sure that is what this is all about. I think there is a place for Mick in volleyball but I am not sure it should be at USC any longer. I wish USC and Mick had had these conversations ten years ago and USC had put a whole life insurance policy in place for his family and paid it off over the last ten years. I do not think this is a Lynn Swann botch and I hope other coaches on their second family use this as a cautionary tale and plan accordingly in their last ten years of employment. I have seen this happen to other coaches with signicantly younger spouses and I hope it all works out for both parties. This is one of the best and most insulting posts I have ever read on Volleytalk, I am laughing my A$$ off. |
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Post by sunger4222 on Dec 19, 2017 12:38:23 GMT -5
4corner, your comments are yours to make, and so are mine. So tell me about Mick's financial situation. Where were you able to get such privileged information? I know the answer to both of those questions: straight out of your a**.
A lot of older people don't want to retire. Its not financial, rather the image of getting up in the morning with nothing meaningful to do can be terrifying. Some people like going to work because it gives them purpose. Some are absolutely fine with sitting around waiting to go on a week long cruise in a year or so. Mick doesn't fit in that category I don't believe. Read his comments and it is absolutely clear, he's not ready for retirement.
You don't like him, great, but don't make up lies because of your feelings.
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Post by azvb on Dec 19, 2017 12:58:58 GMT -5
4corner, your comments are yours to make, and so are mine. So tell me about Mick's financial situation. Where were you able to get such privileged information? I know the answer to both of those questions: straight out of your a**. A lot of older people don't want to retire. Its not financial, rather the image of getting up in the morning with nothing meaningful to do can be terrifying. Some people like going to work because it gives them purpose. Some are absolutely fine with sitting around waiting to go on a week long cruise in a year or so. Mick doesn't fit in that category I don't believe. Read his comments and it is absolutely clear, he's not ready for retirement. You don't like him, great, but don't make up lies because of your feelings. Forgive me, but coaching in the PAC 12 is not a “reason to get up in the morning” type of job. Lots of former athletes, coaches, give the “spend more time with my family” as reasons for retiring. Many of them are back in some capacity within a year. Competitive juices are tough to stop flowing. |
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