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Post by eazy on Apr 27, 2018 15:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 15:27:03 GMT -5
I want refs to call doubles they actually can see. This probably falls into the "only call the worst" but I am talking about the physical limits of human perception. They say they don't call spin, but they do. And then they don't. It's maddening.
So either make a rule that the ball cannot spin on two handed contacts, or only call the consecutive contacts that you can see.
And PLEASE call them when they are sent over the net.
OK. After we do that, let's start calling the throws. If it's not legal on YOUR side of the net, it's not legal going OVER the net.
Thank you very much. I'll be here all week.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 15:33:43 GMT -5
Completely eliminate double-contact calls on sets and on any singular act of playing the ball (platform into face) -- only on separate plays on the ball. Only ball-handling rules should be: 1) don't touch the ball twice in a row, and 2) don't catch or throw the ball.
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Post by lo4um on Apr 27, 2018 16:13:28 GMT -5
The team is already at a disadvantage when the ball comes out of the hands spinning. I say no double calls
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Post by boh on Apr 27, 2018 16:47:35 GMT -5
I'm somewhere between be strict and only call the real bad ones.
It isn't that hard to learn to not double a ball very often...so learn or be penalized.
Setters who hold onto the ball for different lengths of time drive me nuts though...if you want to hold onto it and consistently do it for the same length of time it doesn't bother me, but if you are messing with the blockers timing and reading ability by changing up your length of contact that is beyond frustrating. (And it is NEVER called)
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Post by Northern lights on Apr 27, 2018 16:59:06 GMT -5
Double calls suck in volleyball, it's a stupid rule. Someone made a comment in another thread that it is confusing for casual fans as well.
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Post by donut on Apr 27, 2018 17:05:23 GMT -5
In order of most "unfair," I think it goes:
1. Double-contact "throw" over the net
2. Double-contact "throw" on same side of net/Double-contact "spin" over the net
3. Double-contact "spin" on same side of net
And unfortunately I feel like they are called in reverse order. The focus should really be on 1) how long a player's hands are on the ball and 2) whether or not the ball is going over the net. A "double-contact" where the ball leaves one of the setter's hands a millisecond later and causes spin for her hitter doesn't need to be called - there's no unfair advantage.
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Post by Fight On! on Apr 27, 2018 17:22:25 GMT -5
Completely eliminate double-contact calls on sets and on any singular act of playing the ball (platform into face) -- only on separate plays on the ball. Only ball-handling rules should be: 1) don't touch the ball twice in a row, and 2) don't catch or throw the ball. Those are the only ball handling rules. No? |
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Post by Fight On! on Apr 27, 2018 17:25:44 GMT -5
I (jokingly) want to see a laser field or other technological solution that automatically calls distinct double hand contact over .25 seconds (or some agreed upon limit). Zero interpretation.
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Post by dgo on Apr 27, 2018 17:28:55 GMT -5
I (jokingly) want to see a laser field or other technological solution that automatically calls distinct double hand contact over .25 seconds (or some agreed upon limit). Zero interpretation. I don't see why we need lasers or another technological solution for that. Pretty much every match I attend, I'm surrounded by at least a half dozen people who can do it with their naked eye from 30 feet. |
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Post by Fight On! on Apr 27, 2018 17:29:59 GMT -5
I (jokingly) want to see a laser field or other technological solution that automatically calls distinct double hand contact over .25 seconds (or some agreed upon limit). Zero interpretation. I don't see why we need lasers or another technological solution for that. Pretty much every match I attend, I'm surrounded by at least a half dozen people who THINK THEY can do it with their naked eye from 30 feet. FIFY. Lol |
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Post by sevb on Apr 27, 2018 17:31:22 GMT -5
So long as the call is one of “judgment” there will be to much inconsistency in my opinion... eliminate the rule. There is no benefit to having a 2nd ball toucher vs a true setter. The lone exception may be the moon ball to the pins-but even then I don’t know that having an unskilled/underskilled player running a butchered offense would help score more points... take the red out of it...
You know what-on 2nd thought... call it tight but let coaches off the leash when arguing the doubles called... I’m thinking baseball, football, basketball leashes... “and here goes Cook to the R1 stand... the official is really about to get an earful now!!” Would make our sport FAR more fun to watch...
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Post by trainermch on Apr 27, 2018 17:35:11 GMT -5
The team is already at a disadvantage when the ball comes out of the hands spinning. I say no double calls That was my line of thinking. Makes sense. Leaving it up to refs' judgement on flagrant vs. so-so would only exacerbate the issue. |
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Post by volleyjeep on Apr 27, 2018 17:51:31 GMT -5
Part of me wants to keep the game pure, but the other part of me wants to see the double call go away on sets. Over years i've coached and played, there has been a lot of frustration caused due to a refs inconsistent judgement call. I've seen some refs call it so tight that the setter doesn't want to handset anymore, then you go to another court and not get called for mangling a set so bad the crowd groans. Or the worst, when a ref calls doubles on one team but doesn't call the doubles on the other team.
If we really want the players to dictate who wins and loses, there needs to be less judgement calls. If the setter makes a set who cares if it comes out ugly if it was all one motion to set? Don't let the libero attack at all so that there is no judgement on if they were higher than the net. Things of this nature that is more clearly defined and easier to call and be understood by fans.
Nets are easy. You either touched the net or you didn't. No judgement needed. No judgement needed for footfaults. I also don't think you should be allowed to go under the net at all, even if you don't interfere with a player on the other side of the net. That's a judgement call that can be done away with.
And why do indoor sets get called on the beach if it's the same game?
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Post by dman on Apr 27, 2018 17:57:12 GMT -5
Think refs interpreting double calls is similar to umpires interpreting the strike zone. Each official has their own nuances; it's up to the setters to get a feel of what they can/can't do during the match. Only glitch in this plan is if the ref isn't being consistent with their own calls thus making it very frustrating to make adjustments as well as watch from the bleachers!
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