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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jun 25, 2018 15:04:15 GMT -5
The Rio Olympics were the first time the Continental Cup system was implemented. That meant seven spots were reserved for CC winners, all of whom (IIRC) were outside the top 16. Tokyo will be a little tougher because Japan gets an autobid. If you're ranked in the 20's at the end of the qualification process, you're likely going to be in big trouble.
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Post by retej13 on Jun 25, 2018 15:10:58 GMT -5
this was so incredibly informative, thanks so much!
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Post by johnbar on Jun 25, 2018 22:56:32 GMT -5
The Rio Olympics were the first time the Continental Cup system was implemented. That meant seven spots were reserved for CC winners, all of whom (IIRC) were outside the top 16. Tokyo will be a little tougher because Japan gets an autobid. If you're ranked in the 20's at the end of the qualification process, you're likely going to be in big trouble. Seven spots? Does that mean Antarctica gets one?  Actually, I think Australia gets lumped in with Asia, so it's only five, right?
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jun 25, 2018 23:23:25 GMT -5
The Rio Olympics were the first time the Continental Cup system was implemented. That meant seven spots were reserved for CC winners, all of whom (IIRC) were outside the top 16. Tokyo will be a little tougher because Japan gets an autobid. If you're ranked in the 20's at the end of the qualification process, you're likely going to be in big trouble. Seven spots? Does that mean Antarctica gets one? Actually, I think Australia gets lumped in with Asia, so it's only five, right?
Nope. Five spots from zonal competition (NORCECA, CEV, CSV etc), and two spots from the World Continental Cup competition, which is the last chance qualifier before the Olympics. Both finalists make the Olympics, for a total of seven. |
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Post by acrossthepond on Jun 26, 2018 2:23:47 GMT -5
Some context: The current world ranking that has been posted here shows the best 8 results >as a team< of the last 365 days. Since lots of teams have switched partners since the same time last season it doesn't really tell the whole truth.
As for being within the top 16 at the end of this year to have a shot to qualify: That's not really true. Being top-16 only means that you get invited to the Olympic Qualification Tournament where 2 Olympic tickets are awarded. Since only 1 team per country is allowed there will be quite a lot of teams that are outside of the top 16. So yes, it is a chance to qualify however most spots (15) still get allocated via the Olympic ranking (best 12 results between September 2018 and June 2020)
So if you assume that the world champions and the 2 spots won during the Olympic Qualification Tournament will also be in the top 15 of the Olympic Ranking this basically means that the top 18 teams of the Olympic Ranking will qualify. Only if there is a surprise World Champion or a surprise winner of the Olympic Qualification Tournament there will be in fact less than 18 spots available via the Olympic Ranking.
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Post by acrossthepond on Jun 26, 2018 2:58:48 GMT -5
I also came up with some predictions for the Women's qualification. I'm not that much into Women's beach volleyball so I might be off on some teams. For Brazil and USA it's wide open (at least to me) who will be the #1 and #2 team of their country. For Germany i would be surprised if it would be other teams.
Tier 1 - Sure Locks:
1 Brazil 1
2 Brazil 2
3 Humana-Paredes/Pavan
4 Bansley/Wilkerson
5 USA 1
6 USA 2
7 Sude/Laboureur
8 Ludwig/Walkenhorst
9 Hermannova/Slukova
10 Kvapilova/Kolocova
11 Artacho Del Solar/Clancy
12 Heidrich/Vergé-Dépré
13 Betschart/Hüberli
Tier 2 - Should qualify
14 Wang/Xia
15 Stubbe/Van Iersel
16 Liliana/Elsa
Tier 3 - Best of the rest
17 Keizer/Meppelink
18 Makroguova/Kholomina
Kolosinska/Kociolek
Plesiutschnig/Schützenhöfer
Lahti/Parkinen
Davidova/Shchypkova
Tier 4 - Could qualify if they take the next step
Hasegawa/Futami
Graudina/Kravcenoka
Lehtonen/Ahtainen
Dubovcova/Strbova
Gallay/Pereyra
Jupiter/Richard
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Post by kolli on Jun 26, 2018 4:37:47 GMT -5
Seven spots? Does that mean Antarctica gets one? Actually, I think Australia gets lumped in with Asia, so it's only five, right?
Nope. Five spots from zonal competition (NORCECA, CEV, CSV etc), and two spots from the World Continental Cup competition, which is the last chance qualifier before the Olympics. Both finalists make the Olympics, for a total of seven. That seems to have changed for 2020. Now two spots are given via the Olympic Qualification Tournament instead of the final World Continental Cup. |
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Post by tamz on Jun 26, 2018 6:34:55 GMT -5
acrossthepondI think the Japanese women’s team you listed will definitely make it in if they’re the #1 Japanese team since Japan as host gets automatic one spot. Although for the men’s, I’m not sure if I know of any Japanese teams...
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Post by acrossthepond on Jun 26, 2018 6:37:21 GMT -5
Good point. I forgot about that when making the list.
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Post by johnbar on Jun 26, 2018 9:56:18 GMT -5
Seven spots? Does that mean Antarctica gets one? Actually, I think Australia gets lumped in with Asia, so it's only five, right?
Nope. Five spots from zonal competition (NORCECA, CEV, CSV etc), and two spots from the World Continental Cup competition, which is the last chance qualifier before the Olympics. Both finalists make the Olympics, for a total of seven. Thanks, I forgot about the WC Cup. |
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Post by tamz on Jun 26, 2018 17:26:17 GMT -5
acrossthepond Oh, forgot to mention, what about Australia on the men’s side? Australia wants to have two teams in contention so they split their #1 men’s team up last week, even though they won gold at the Commonwealth Games.
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Post by acrossthepond on Jun 27, 2018 1:51:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I probably forgot about a few teams. However I see the Australians at best in "Tier 4 - Could qualify if they take the next step". Even their former #1 team wasn't consistent enough to be any higher on the list - so let's see how this will pan out.
However I also forgot the German Men's teams. They have quite a few new constellations this season and a few teams already have a few good results, however they are not consistent at all at the moment. But they could very well be in contention to qualify. Maybe also the 2nd team from Norway (the other Mol) has a chance to qualify.
My list is definitely not complete but I guess it covers the most important teams. With that being said you can of course argue that other teams which I didn't list could fight for a spot if a few things go right for them.
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Post by guest2 on Jun 27, 2018 1:58:04 GMT -5
Is anyone else as excited as I am for the whole BVB world to devolve into constant anticipation of a tournament that is two years away and generally sucks? (format, field) I cant wait to see how teams try to gimmick the points system and which teams stay in partnerships way longer than they should so they can play in a non-paying tournament they have no chance to win! Also the ways that domestic and FIVB events get devalued as all any volleymedia talk about is Olympic qualification.
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Post by acrossthepond on Jun 27, 2018 2:13:32 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure if this is sarcasm but I am definitely excited for the Olympic qualification process. :-) It just makes the big tournaments during that time frame that much more important. This season it looks like nobody really cares that much about the tournaments - starting from September the tension will be much higher.
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Post by guest2 on Jun 27, 2018 3:29:46 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure if this is sarcasm but I am definitely excited for the Olympic qualification process. :-) It just makes the big tournaments during that time frame that much more important. This season it looks like nobody really cares that much about the tournaments - starting from September the tension will be much higher. Definitely sarcasm. I hate the effect the Olympics has had on the sport. As you mentioned, many players now treat most events, unless they have Olympic relevance, as minor and that prevents the sport from building tradition, rivalries etc. For many players its all they care about and all other tournaments become a little too similar to regular season NBA The Olympics themselves are a lousy tournament, weaker than most majors and the spread out format is a nuisance to fans. It also holds teams together that should break up. Its why you see so many teams split right after the Olympics, because they should have broken up long before. Partner splits and the acrimony, rivalry etc. that flow from them are one of the most exciting things about the sport. How awesome was the environment the first time Sinjin played Randy or Kent/Verb beat Kiraly/Fro after Karch dumped Kent. The next time Alison/Bruno face off or Evandro/Andre those matches will have added resonance for the same reasons. With the Olympics you get Brooke/Lauren staying together despite 18 straight 25th place finishes. Finally it lets the international tours bludgeon domestic tours like the AVP. As we have seen this year, if the Olympics arent in play the best players will prioritize the AVP. |
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