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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 19, 2018 13:43:53 GMT -5
Is it common for a coach to not tell a player about redshirt intentions until the season is over? I think that would be extremely uncommon. Normally it seems like something that would be discussed, particularly because a student may not want to spend an extra year in college anyway. "Redshirting" is technically always something that happens at the end of the season -- there is no registry for it or anything; all that happens is if a player goes an entire year without getting onto the court, they get that year back (subject to the 5-to-play-4 rule, anyway). But I would think a coach would usually talk about it with a player rather than just keep them on the bench all year long without knowing.
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Post by azvb on Sept 19, 2018 14:37:51 GMT -5
Could someone get 2 medical redshirts? Or 6 years to play 4 if they use a regular red shirt year.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 19, 2018 15:57:01 GMT -5
Could someone get 2 medical redshirts? Or 6 years to play 4 if they use a regular red shirt year. Yes, but it takes a special exemption.
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Post by n00b on Sept 19, 2018 17:03:59 GMT -5
Is it common for a coach to not tell a player about redshirt intentions until the season is over? I think that would be extremely uncommon. Normally it seems like something that would be discussed, particularly because a student may not want to spend an extra year in college anyway. "Redshirting" is technically always something that happens at the end of the season -- there is no registry for it or anything; all that happens is if a player goes an entire year without getting onto the court, they get that year back (subject to the 5-to-play-4 rule, anyway). But I would think a coach would usually talk about it with a player rather than just keep them on the bench all year long without knowing. Unless it isn't a planned thing. All season long the kid could go in if she won out a spot, but she never did.
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 19, 2018 19:07:26 GMT -5
I’m hoping someone can help me with a question about redshirting. My understanding is that if someone plays at all during the season, even for 1 point, they can’t redshirt unless a season ending injury occurs before the second half of the season. Is that correct? I’ve heard from some people that you can still redshirt if you play but that seems at odds with what I’ve read on the NCAA website. Is it different for volleyball? Are there exceptions, assuming no injury, maybe some minimum point allowance?
Even more than that, I think the rule is the season-ending injury must be before the player plays in 30% of the scheduled matches. Other than injury, yes, even a single point played burns a redshirt year. (Except a redshirt player can play in spring matches, because they are out of the competition season.)
Close on the injury hardship. The player cannot have played in more than 30% of the scheduled regular season games/matches (can be above 30% if 30% results in a fraction and then you can round up to the next whole number - 30% of 29 is 8.7 games, so the threshold would be 9). All games played must be in the first half of the regular season. As you say, it must be season ending. If you recover and are able to play before the end of the season, then you don't qualify even if you don't play any more games.
Correct that just a single point played burns a redshirt season.
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 19, 2018 19:21:38 GMT -5
Perhaps this is because SO MANY football players automatically redshirt as freshmen, there being such a big advantage for bigger and older players? That’s probably it. I also think it’s just indicative of big money football just writing its own rules.
Actually there are unique competition rules for just about every sport. This redshirt proposal was made by the football coaches association which is why it was football only. The initial scheduled vote was tabled to discuss application to other sports. My understanding is there was far from a consensus on how to apply the rule to other sports, so the NCAA went ahead and voted on the original football only proposal which had unanimous support from the D1 football coaches. One article I read indicated that among the other sports, some favored a similar rule while others didn't want a change. Also a wide variety of opinions on how many games which was supposedly more of the stumbling block.
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Post by azvb on Sept 19, 2018 19:29:38 GMT -5
I asked my daughter, whose roommate played basketball, her redshirt story.
1st year: hurt in 2nd game. Medical redshirt year granted. 2nd year: redshirt 3rd year: played (first year used) 4th year: hurt in preseason (another medical redshirt granted) 5th year: played (used medical redshirt year, 2nd year used) 6th year: played, hurt early in season (3rd year used) 7th year: granted one more year because of medical hardship ( 4th year used)
These were all knee injuries. She was a grad student her 6th and 7th year.
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 19, 2018 19:32:09 GMT -5
Could someone get 2 medical redshirts? Or 6 years to play 4 if they use a regular red shirt year.
A player can apply for a sixth year if they have missed two seasons due to circumstances beyond the player's and the school's control. Typically this is due to injuries. Meeting the criteria for a medical redshirt usually qualifies as a missed season. A regular redshirt year cannot count as one of the two seasons because it is considered within the player's and/or the school's control.
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 19, 2018 19:43:55 GMT -5
I asked my daughter, whose roommate played basketball, her redshirt story. 1st year: hurt in 2nd game. Medical redshirt year granted. 2nd year: redshirt 3rd year: played (first year used) 4th year: hurt in preseason (another medical redshirt granted) 5th year: played (used medical redshirt year, 2nd year used) 6th year: played, hurt early in season (3rd year used) 7th year: granted one more year because of medical hardship ( 4th year used) These were all knee injuries. She was a grad student her 6th and 7th year.
I've never heard of any rule that allows a 7th year. Do you happen to know if the player was in school during that 2nd year? Just asking because there are several exceptions, like the pregnancy year mentioned previously, which allow the 5 years to play four to be put on "hold". The two most common are military service and church missions.
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Post by bigfan on Sept 19, 2018 19:45:06 GMT -5
Could someone get 2 medical redshirts? Or 6 years to play 4 if they use a regular red shirt year. Jessica Gysin did at USC. 6 year player.
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Post by bigfan on Sept 19, 2018 19:46:16 GMT -5
I’m hoping someone can help me with a question about redshirting. My understanding is that if someone plays at all during the season, even for 1 point, they can’t redshirt unless a season ending injury occurs before the second half of the season. Is that correct? I’ve heard from some people that you can still redshirt if you play but that seems at odds with what I’ve read on the NCAA website. Is it different for volleyball? Are there exceptions, assuming no injury, maybe some minimum point allowance?
Football is if you play 4 games or less you can redshirt. College volleyball will be 25% percent of games played.
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Post by azvb on Sept 19, 2018 20:55:01 GMT -5
I asked my daughter, whose roommate played basketball, her redshirt story. 1st year: hurt in 2nd game. Medical redshirt year granted. 2nd year: redshirt 3rd year: played (first year used) 4th year: hurt in preseason (another medical redshirt granted) 5th year: played (used medical redshirt year, 2nd year used) 6th year: played, hurt early in season (3rd year used) 7th year: granted one more year because of medical hardship ( 4th year used) These were all knee injuries. She was a grad student her 6th and 7th year.
I've never heard of any rule that allows a 7th year. Do you happen to know if the player was in school during that 2nd year? Just asking because there are several exceptions, like the pregnancy year mentioned previously, which allow the 5 years to play four to be put on "hold". The two most common are military service and church missions.
Not sure, but I believe so. My daughter said they applied for that year on a whim, thinking there was no way she’d get it. But she did.
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Post by n00b on Sept 19, 2018 21:47:40 GMT -5
Could someone get 2 medical redshirts? Or 6 years to play 4 if they use a regular red shirt year. Jessica Gysin did at USC. 6 year player. Kaity Edwards at San Diego is currently in her 6th year.
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Post by mountainmama on Sept 20, 2018 7:46:49 GMT -5
Thank you for all of the replies. This has been very helpful.
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Post by charger0304 on Sept 20, 2018 7:56:52 GMT -5
Jessica Gysin did at USC. 6 year player. Kaity Edwards at San Diego is currently in her 6th year. On a somewhat related anecdote, wasn't Amanda Gil denied a hardship year at Washington because one of her lost seasons was due to transferring in-conference and therefore conference rules stipulated she had to sit out a year?
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