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Post by mountainmama on Sept 19, 2018 10:51:13 GMT -5
I’m hoping someone can help me with a question about redshirting. My understanding is that if someone plays at all during the season, even for 1 point, they can’t redshirt unless a season ending injury occurs before the second half of the season. Is that correct? I’ve heard from some people that you can still redshirt if you play but that seems at odds with what I’ve read on the NCAA website. Is it different for volleyball? Are there exceptions, assuming no injury, maybe some minimum point allowance?
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 19, 2018 11:03:02 GMT -5
I’m hoping someone can help me with a question about redshirting. My understanding is that if someone plays at all during the season, even for 1 point, they can’t redshirt unless a season ending injury occurs before the second half of the season. Is that correct? I’ve heard from some people that you can still redshirt if you play but that seems at odds with what I’ve read on the NCAA website. Is it different for volleyball? Are there exceptions, assuming no injury, maybe some minimum point allowance?
Even more than that, I think the rule is the season-ending injury must be before the player plays in 30% of the scheduled matches. Other than injury, yes, even a single point played burns a redshirt year. (Except a redshirt player can play in spring matches, because they are out of the competition season.)
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 19, 2018 11:07:42 GMT -5
They are making changes for football, but they do NOT apply to volleyball yet.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 19, 2018 11:11:24 GMT -5
Huh, I didn't realize that players can get an exception to the 5-to-play-4 rule "for reasons of pregnancy". But it's there in the NCAA manual.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 19, 2018 11:13:18 GMT -5
They are making changes for football, but they do NOT apply to volleyball yet. Perhaps this is because SO MANY football players automatically redshirt as freshmen, there being such a big advantage for bigger and older players?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 19, 2018 11:28:42 GMT -5
They are making changes for football, but they do NOT apply to volleyball yet. Perhaps this is because SO MANY football players automatically redshirt as freshmen, there being such a big advantage for bigger and older players? That’s probably it. I also think it’s just indicative of big money football just writing its own rules.
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Post by VB48 on Sept 19, 2018 11:34:30 GMT -5
They are making changes for football, but they do NOT apply to volleyball yet. That will change as soon as a female volleyball player utters the magic words, "Title IX"...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 11:54:15 GMT -5
Every student-athlete gets five calendar years of eligibility, starting from the first semester or quarter of full-time enrollment. (there is another host of rules specifically addressing delayed enrollment)
Every student-athlete gets four season of competition, where a "season" is a period of competition that ends with an NCAA championship. So for example, spring indoor volleyball doesn't count as a season. But if a player participates in any competition during a season, regardless the length of time (could be a single play), that counts that season as one of the four seasons. There are a host of exceptions, but most are superfluous. The one new exception, which has already been noted in the thread, is that football players can now play in up to four games including conference championships, bowl games, and/or playoff games, without it counting as a season.
A "redshirt", as it is commonly referred to, simply means that a player sits out of competition for a season during the five calendar years, and doesn't have that season counted as one of the four seasons.
There is one more wrinkle, a "hardship". There are a host of rules addressing this. But it mainly has to do with injury which ends an athlete's season "early". What's early? Usually means not more than 30% of the way through the scheduled contests in the season. If you're granted a hardship waiver, then you get a fifth season of competition. Also, if necessary (because you already redshirted), you can get a waiver to the five year rule too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 11:55:25 GMT -5
They are making changes for football, but they do NOT apply to volleyball yet. Perhaps this is because SO MANY football players automatically redshirt as freshmen, there being such a big advantage for bigger and older players? The exception is to allow players who normally would be redshirting, and thus not participating, to play in up to four games.
So, I'm not quite sure if your post jives with that?
Football coaches have been pleading, for years, that redshirts (freshmen usually) should be allowed to play in bowl games, because the teams are often depleted by injuries. The new exception gave them their bowl game participation, and three more games on top of that.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 19, 2018 12:01:20 GMT -5
Perhaps this is because SO MANY football players automatically redshirt as freshmen, there being such a big advantage for bigger and older players? The exception is to allow players who normally would be redshirting, and thus not participating, to play in up to four games. So, I'm not quite sure if your post jives with that? Football coaches have been pleading, for years, that redshirts (freshmen usually) should be allowed to play in bowl games, because the teams are often depleted by injuries. The new exception gave them their bowl game participation, and three more games on top of that.
Yes, I know what it means, thanks. Now they can give these almost-automatic redshirt players a little live game experience (probably in the fourth quarter of blowout games) during the year when they would usually just be practicing and hitting the gym and the steroids.
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Post by jayj79 on Sept 19, 2018 12:09:13 GMT -5
Huh, I didn't realize that players can get an exception to the 5-to-play-4 rule "for reasons of pregnancy". But it's there in the NCAA manual. I didn't realize that either, but I think it is a good idea. Now, I'm sure that not all young women can bounce back from pregnancy and delivery, get back into playing shape, and remain competitive while balancing the demands of motherhood on top of academics and athletics, but there have been many examples of players that have been able to do that, so I don't think the NCAA should stand in the way of that.
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Post by sgtschultz on Sept 19, 2018 12:29:45 GMT -5
Is it common for a coach to not tell a player about redshirt intentions until the season is over?
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Sept 19, 2018 12:32:55 GMT -5
Audra Appold didn't get one after missing most of last season with an injury.
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Post by n00b on Sept 19, 2018 12:57:07 GMT -5
Audra Appold didn't get one after missing most of last season with an injury. Weird. I see no reason that she wouldn't. Is it possible that she just didn't apply for it because she has no interest in playing a 5th year?
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Post by trollhunter on Sept 19, 2018 13:10:29 GMT -5
Audra Appold didn't get one after missing most of last season with an injury. Not familiar with her specific situation. Perhaps she didn't want it and has plans after graduation. Or coach has already promised her scholarship to someone else after 4 years. Or possibly SID did not update roster properly.
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