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Post by kokyu on Oct 18, 2018 10:49:54 GMT -5
Sun and Foecke will not become elite passers. Nebraska fans have KRob anyways, should be happy with that.
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Post by donut on Oct 18, 2018 11:15:13 GMT -5
I completely disagree. I also think you're contradicting yourself. Was she given enough chances at Texas for us to know if she's improved, or not? It sounds like you haven't watched Nebraska play this year - because most would agree her backrow defense has been surprisingly good. If she hasn't improved or Texas was stupid and didn't let her play is honestly irrelevant - she's showing promise for only playing a few months in 6-rotations full-time. I've watched NEbraska. Your statement was she was greatly improved. I disagree that has happened. I believe it's ridiculous to believe she's greatly improved when she hasn't had a chance to play until recently due to her back and even sillier to attribute it to anything happening at Nebraska that didn't happen at TX. Truth be told, I never thought she was that bad to begin with, but NE fans seemed to believe based on early results and even recent results, she was the second coming of Logan Tom in the back row. Based on what I've read she used her time "healing" to really focus on backrow play and fundamentals. And if you think that players receive the same backrow training at Texas as they do at Nebraska, you're a bigger homer than I thought. I agree with your statement on most Nebraska fans - I don't think she is the next coming of Logan Tom or Jordan Larson. Hell, I don't think anyone in the NCAA is right now, and that's not a bad thing if the USA NT shifted its paradigm that our OHs (especially our L1) have to be able to pass at like 100% perfect. There is inevitably going to be a trade-off between being a terminal hitter and a solid passer - that's why players like Logan Tom, Sokolova, Jordan Larson, etc. are so special - because they're anomalies. Back on topic: looking at just NCAA stats, so far at Nebraska, she has about .7 reception errors per match. At Texas last year, normally not playing all the way around, she had .83. I don't even need to convince you that she's improved because it really doesn't defeat my argument, especially if your counter is "we don't know if she's improved" or "she wasn't that bad." My argument was she's promising for the NT because as a sophomore, she's passing/digging well, terminal, and quick, especially when you take into account her injury and all the transitioning she's gone through.
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Post by donut on Oct 18, 2018 11:15:41 GMT -5
I agree that her back row has improved at NE. However, I don’t think she plays well in clutch/high-pressure situations (especially her passing). Not sure if that can be fixed easily. This is based off of my observations of her with Coast, USA, and Texas. However, her bad play against top opponents or in tough situations could be attributed to lack of confidence after shanking passes so perhaps she will become more confident as her passing continues to improve I agree with this. I haven’t seen the extra gear from her like Foecke or other great players seem to have. Maybe later. ... you haven't seen the extra gear in the back row? What?
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Post by kokyu on Oct 18, 2018 11:25:31 GMT -5
KRob and Courtney who haven't even hit their prime yet are just as good at passing as Tom and Larson after their prime and perhaps in their prime. Outsides, middles, setters, liberos we have no problem.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Oct 18, 2018 11:33:03 GMT -5
I think that Lexi Sun could develop into a promising USA NT OH. She's quick, has improved tremendously in the back-row in half of a season at Nebraska (imagine where could be in two more years) and is terminal. If Eric Sullivan can't improve your passing and defense, Banwarth ain't going to do it. What great Texas passers has Sullivan churned out to warrant this?
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Post by donut on Oct 18, 2018 11:39:47 GMT -5
KRob and Courtney who haven't even hit their prime yet are just as good at passing as Tom and Larson after their prime and perhaps in their prime. Outsides, middles, setters, liberos we have no problem. KRob and Courtney are our liberos right now. We either have a huge libero problem or a huge OH problem (depending on where you put them).
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Post by volleylbc on Oct 18, 2018 11:51:55 GMT -5
KRob and Courtney who haven't even hit their prime yet are just as good at passing as Tom and Larson after their prime and perhaps in their prime. Outsides, middles, setters, liberos we have no problem. KRob and Courtney are our liberos right now. We either have a huge libero problem or a huge OH problem (depending on where you put them). We have a huge Serve Recieve Problem. Our top Libero prospects coming out of the NCAA in the last few years have been getting ripped by international serve. Both Benson and Wong-Orantes ain’t cutting it.
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Oct 18, 2018 12:05:18 GMT -5
After watching film of Robo and Banwarth I think that some success being an international libero comes from having some size, a very sturdy platform, and a unique athleticism not everyone has
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Post by dokterrudi on Oct 18, 2018 12:45:46 GMT -5
I agree with this. I haven’t seen the extra gear from her like Foecke or other great players seem to have. Maybe later. ... you haven't seen the extra gear in the back row? What? Look, she’s a sophomore who has gotten better on her defense no doubt and she has all the potential. All I’m talking about is the ability to get hot and take over a game like her teammate on the other side has. I haven’t seen that. It is still early though and I could be wrong.
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Post by kokyu on Oct 18, 2018 14:28:57 GMT -5
KRob and Courtney are our liberos right now. We either have a huge libero problem or a huge OH problem (depending on where you put them). We have a huge Serve Recieve Problem. Our top Libero prospects coming out of the NCAA in the last few years have been getting ripped by international serve. Both Benson and Wong-Orantes ain’t cutting it. Benson and JWO aren't worse at passing than Davis and Tama when they were libero for Tom and Larson. We also have Lake, Hentz, UCLA Formico who can come in. And with KRob and Courtney passing that'll relieve the libero's pressure to pass more of the court when Hill/MBH/etc were in. As this thread's titled we have an OPP problem. Granted if we fix every other starting position which we're already capable of at this moment then even with Lowe we have a good chance of medaling in Tokyo. But we should be aiming to be the dominant #1 again.
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Post by volleylbc on Oct 18, 2018 15:02:51 GMT -5
We have a huge Serve Recieve Problem. Our top Libero prospects coming out of the NCAA in the last few years have been getting ripped by international serve. Both Benson and Wong-Orantes ain’t cutting it. Benson and JWO aren't worse at passing than Davis and Tama when they were libero for Tom and Larson. We also have Lake, Hentz, UCLA Formico who can come in. And with KRob and Courtney passing that'll relieve the libero's pressure to pass more of the court when Hill/MBH/etc were in. As this thread's titled we have an OPP problem. Granted if we fix every other starting position which we're already capable of at this moment then even with Lowe we have a good chance of medaling in Tokyo. But we should be aiming to be the dominant #1 again. Davis and Tama we’re still making A Group final rosters. Yes we have an OPP problem, have you found a solution yet?
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 18, 2018 15:44:36 GMT -5
If Eric Sullivan can't improve your passing and defense, Banwarth ain't going to do it. What great Texas passers has Sullivan churned out to warrant this? You don't create a passer. Just like you don't create dominant hitters, great hands, good hand-eye coordination, etc... You can develop what's already there but to a limited extent. What's clear to me given who TX recruits is they plan to win with hitting rather than passing. Nebraska seems to have more all-around players and better passing and defense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 15:56:58 GMT -5
I really don't understand this refusal to admit extraordinary players are just that. Do we go around asking why we don't have more Lebron Jameses?
You put together the best team you can, develop the players as best you can, and then you play countries that are doing THE EXACT SAME THING. The USA is never going to dominate in volleyball. The rest of the world is too good.
But, sure. Keep leaning on that panic button. Because NCAA stars (still in college or one year out) are the answer. And if only Plum was our setter ... etc. etc.
This only bothers me because it denigrates the talented athletes busting their buns to medal for our country.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 15:58:59 GMT -5
That is not to say the #1 priority of the NT is to identify the players with the most potential and develop them. I happen to believe the NT is attempting to do that. I fully accept that others do not share that opinion. But if that's the problem, we are already toast.
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Post by vup on Oct 18, 2018 16:02:32 GMT -5
What about Whitney? She dominated against DR at Pan Am Cup.
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