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Post by JT on Dec 14, 2021 16:50:13 GMT -5
Saying it’s the fault of the players for reading the hurtful and hateful comments seems to be a clear case of victim blaming. “I’m not responsible for the sh*t posts I make, cloaked and hidden by an anonymous posting handle. It’s their fault for *reading* the hateful things I’d never say to their faces.” Bleh. To be sure there is blame to be shared! But why would anyone come here to read what's being said, knowing what a cesspool it can be? I have every right to walk into the most Redneck bar in the heart of Klan country, but I have to know what might happen if I do. If that’s a fair equivalence, it begs the obvious question of why people are on the board at all. I know that *I* wouldn’t want to be considered equivalent to a Redneck Klansman.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Dec 14, 2021 16:50:39 GMT -5
Validation ... from literal nobodies, literal strangers you've never met before, and possibly don't even come to the home games .... that's who you need validation from? Does not compute, for me. Players: stop reading. Just stop. There has to be, and is I'm sure, a better way for you to get what you need. The U athletic dept is flush with cash, and probably already have sports psychologists on staff. Maybe not posting things you would not say out loud to a persons face? Pretty much the same as online bullying causing sucides and other problems. Its easy to say dont read it but it doesnt need to be there in the first place I wholeheartedly agree but the fact is that crappy stuff IS out there and will continue to be out there. At the end of the day, it's up to each of us to protect ourselves first as much as we should seek to protect others.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 16:51:02 GMT -5
Saying it’s the fault of the players for reading They were *forced* to log onto VT and read it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 16:52:30 GMT -5
Its easy to say dont read it Because that's the correct and very easy solution. VT is for posters, and only posters, to have real talk. Players: Beware! Stay out!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 16:53:33 GMT -5
why people are on the board at all. To have real talk about the matches and the players. Amongst ourselves. Players should NOT be reading it!
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Dec 14, 2021 16:55:15 GMT -5
To be sure there is blame to be shared! But why would anyone come here to read what's being said, knowing what a cesspool it can be? I have every right to walk into the most Redneck bar in the heart of Klan country, but I have to know what might happen if I do. If that’s a fair equivalence, it begs the obvious question of why people are on the board at all. I know that *I* wouldn’t want to be considered equivalent to a Redneck Klansman. The equivalence comes in the decisions made. It's folly for me to go to a Redneck bar (I'm sure they exist) and it's folly for players to read stuff in print by us Yahoos and not expect there will be negative things said. I wouldn't go there, and they really shouldn't come here. And if we do, we shouldn't be surprised by the a$$ whooping that may occur.
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Post by travelingsoulz on Dec 14, 2021 17:12:46 GMT -5
Sure, but have you seen her play? Is she better than Landfair and Wucherer, the other potential options at opposite? What else other than her height and dominant hand do you know about her? I've seen her play both in High School and Club. She's athletic, played back row in HS and attacked from the back row. Crushed balls the year Kennedi Orr was her club setter and is a decent blocker. Also was asked by Hugh to be on the Gophers, I don't think he envisioned her being a sideline cheerleader. Utilizing her in a 6-2 wouldn't be the worst move. I agree Crowl has potential. I also saw her play in HS and her team/program wasn't very good. So saying someone played backrow on a not very good HS team doesn't really translate to the college game. Don't see her playing backrow for the gophers. She is only on scholly for 2 years, so I do hope she stays and develops even with a lot of talent on the pins next year.
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Post by Sub One! on Dec 14, 2021 17:52:05 GMT -5
I've seen her play both in High School and Club. She's athletic, played back row in HS and attacked from the back row. Crushed balls the year Kennedi Orr was her club setter and is a decent blocker. Also was asked by Hugh to be on the Gophers, I don't think he envisioned her being a sideline cheerleader. Utilizing her in a 6-2 wouldn't be the worst move. I agree Crowl has potential. I also saw her play in HS and her team/program wasn't very good. So saying someone played backrow on a not very good HS team doesn't really translate to the college game. Don't see her playing backrow for the gophers. She is only on scholly for 2 years, so I do hope she stays and develops even with a lot of talent on the pins next year. Only on scholly for 2 years? wait! what?
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Post by JT on Dec 14, 2021 17:59:17 GMT -5
Saying it’s the fault of the players for reading They were *forced* to log onto VT and read it? Nope. It’s still not their fault.
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Post by travelingsoulz on Dec 14, 2021 18:06:13 GMT -5
I agree Crowl has potential. I also saw her play in HS and her team/program wasn't very good. So saying someone played backrow on a not very good HS team doesn't really translate to the college game. Don't see her playing backrow for the gophers. She is only on scholly for 2 years, so I do hope she stays and develops even with a lot of talent on the pins next year. Only on scholly for 2 years? wait! what? I know! I was surprised too! Gophers originally offered her club teammate Lamb at kentucky 2 years and obviously she chose Kentucky. Then Crowl was offered the two years and she took it. Really wanted to be a gopher so that's why I am hoping she will end up staying all 5 years and develop!
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Dec 14, 2021 18:09:24 GMT -5
Only on scholly for 2 years? wait! what? I know! I was surprised too! Gophers originally offered her club teammate Lamb at kentucky 2 years and obviously she chose Kentucky. Then Crowl was offered the two years and she took it. Really wanted to be a gopher so that's why I am hoping she will end up staying all 5 years and develop! Is it that surprising? I feel like Minnesota saves scholarships for out of town rather than local girls. I don't have the numbers to back that up so I could be completely wrong and I'm ready to own it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 18:52:02 GMT -5
Then that is that. It is indeed their fault and probably going against Hugh's direct wishes to stay off it.
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Post by JT on Dec 14, 2021 18:54:16 GMT -5
Then that is that. It is indeed their fault and probably going against Hugh's direct wishes to stay off it. Victim blaming.
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Post by courtwatchers on Dec 14, 2021 19:05:30 GMT -5
We all take the journey in life. Some of us have gotten off the right path and have wandered for a very long time. I've learned that I am "in control of my own journey" and that the people that matter the most are my parent(s)/family/friends. We all want 'unconditional love" and they are the ones who are going to provide it. Sometimes a pet or two don't hurt either.
But as I have told my own children, not all the time who you might think are your friends are not necessarily your friends. Because TRUE FRIENDS don't use you and abuse you. They don't read Volleytalk and say, "Hey you wanna know what people are saying about you today?". True friends will help guide you away from that and surround you with nothing but positivity.
Growing in life becomes C H O I C E S. Sometimes we make the wrong ones, but hopefully learn from making them. I certainly do not believe reading Volleytalk is going to make me feel really good about myself, if I were a volleyball player.
Everyday we all should search out those people or things that help us feel good about ourselves. I personally really try to live by that everyday of my life. Life is tough, really tough, but it is what we make of it.....it's true.
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Dec 14, 2021 19:20:53 GMT -5
Then that is that. It is indeed their fault and probably going against Hugh's direct wishes to stay off it. Victim blaming. No one on this board is a "victim" of criticism. It may not be easy to hear, but this is a forum where folks can offer their opinions freely and truthfully. Even the most diplomatic and kindest delivery of negative criticism can be hurtful. There's not need for deliberate disparagement of individuals. But trying to call something "victim blaming" for merely suggesting someone not read negative criticism of their volleyball ability/performance to avoid feeling bad about themselves is preposterous.
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