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Post by spikerthemovie on Oct 8, 2022 8:03:55 GMT -5
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Post by slxpress on Oct 8, 2022 10:28:54 GMT -5
Thanks Snoopy. I have edited the original post with that change. Can anyone clarify on redshirt rules? Does the coaching staff and athlete have to declare it as a redshirt year following that season? No. It’s pretty black and white. Either they participated or they didn’t. It’s a little fuzzier if an injury is involved, but not much. Then the athlete has to have participated in less than 30% of the matches, rounded down. If there was previously a redshirt and then there’s a loss of a season due to injury, they have to apply for a waiver to the NCAA. That’s the only case where it’s not cut and dried.
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Post by HeyHey on Oct 8, 2022 11:42:18 GMT -5
This is behind a paywall.
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Post by spikerthemovie on Oct 8, 2022 14:49:40 GMT -5
This is behind a paywall. Newspapers aren't free
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Post by dodger on Oct 8, 2022 15:03:10 GMT -5
Thanks Snoopy. I have edited the original post with that change. Can anyone clarify on redshirt rules? Does the coaching staff and athlete have to declare it as a redshirt year following that season? No. It’s pretty black and white. Either they participated or they didn’t. It’s a little fuzzier if an injury is involved, but not much. Then the athlete has to have participated in less than 30% of the matches, rounded down. If there was previously a redshirt and then there’s a loss of a season due to injury, they have to apply for a waiver to the NCAA. That’s the only case where it’s not cut and dried. Every Med. red shirt has to apply for waiver: and multiple injuries can receive additional years: 5,6, even 7 years may be possible
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Post by slxpress on Oct 8, 2022 15:33:29 GMT -5
No. It’s pretty black and white. Either they participated or they didn’t. It’s a little fuzzier if an injury is involved, but not much. Then the athlete has to have participated in less than 30% of the matches, rounded down. If there was previously a redshirt and then there’s a loss of a season due to injury, they have to apply for a waiver to the NCAA. That’s the only case where it’s not cut and dried. Every Med. red shirt has to apply for waiver: and multiple injuries can receive additional years: 5,6, even 7 years may be possible That's incorrect. There's no such thing as a medical redshirt in the NCAA handbook. There's only a redshirt. A medical redshirt is a colloquialism applied to when a redshirt is given in a year in which the player has participated, but lost a significant part of the season due to injury. The amount of time is very specific. Less than 30% of the games/matches played, rounded down. This is granted as a rubber stamp/arithmetic operation at the conference level, not the NCAA level, except for independents. It's a cut and dried answer. Either a player qualifies or they do not. The waiver is a hardship waiver, and is something different. It can only be used to grant a 6th year of eligibility after a redshirt year was granted - whether it was through not playing for a year or through injury playing less than 30% of the games/matches. The possible 7th year of eligibility is only possible because of the ongoing Covid years. The hardship waiver only grants a 6th year of eligibility in addition to the redshirt year a player received.
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Post by dodger on Oct 8, 2022 19:26:09 GMT -5
Every Med. red shirt has to apply for waiver: and multiple injuries can receive additional years: 5,6, even 7 years may be possible That's incorrect. There's no such thing as a medical redshirt in the NCAA handbook. There's only a redshirt. A medical redshirt is a colloquialism applied to when a redshirt is given in a year in which the player has participated, but lost a significant part of the season due to injury. The amount of time is very specific. Less than 30% of the games/matches played, rounded down. This is granted as a rubber stamp/arithmetic operation at the conference level, not the NCAA level, except for independents. It's a cut and dried answer. Either a player qualifies or they do not. The waiver is a hardship waiver, and is something different. It can only be used to grant a 6th year of eligibility after a redshirt year was granted - whether it was through not playing for a year or through injury playing less than 30% of the games/matches. The possible 7th year of eligibility is only possible because of the ongoing Covid years. The hardship waiver only grants a 6th year of eligibility in addition to the redshirt year a player received. Sorry bucco: first: i was only using “redshirt med” because of discussion: not meant to be rule specific: you understood that i mean a player injured in first 50% of uear who participated in less than 30% of competitions. And yes you can get more than one year due to injuries: 6 and yes even a 7th is possible: this is not opinion it is experience! I hope my ncaa manual definitions met with your approval
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Post by dodger on Oct 8, 2022 19:33:28 GMT -5
Every Med. red shirt has to apply for waiver: and multiple injuries can receive additional years: 5,6, even 7 years may be possible That's incorrect. There's no such thing as a medical redshirt in the NCAA handbook. There's only a redshirt. A medical redshirt is a colloquialism applied to when a redshirt is given in a year in which the player has participated, but lost a significant part of the season due to injury. The amount of time is very specific. Less than 30% of the games/matches played, rounded down. This is granted as a rubber stamp/arithmetic operation at the conference level, not the NCAA level, except for independents. It's a cut and dried answer. Either a player qualifies or they do not. The waiver is a hardship waiver, and is something different. It can only be used to grant a 6th year of eligibility after a redshirt year was granted - whether it was through not playing for a year or through injury playing less than 30% of the games/matches. The possible 7th year of eligibility is only possible because of the ongoing Covid years. The hardship waiver only grants a 6th year of eligibility in addition to the redshirt year a player received. Examples and there ste many: Jason White (1999, 2002, suffered a back injury as a freshman and then had ACL tears in back-to-back seasons, allowing him to return for a sixth year, one season after winning the Heisman Trophy); Dusty Dvoracek (2005, was dismissed after allegations of violent, off-the-field behavior as a senior in 2004, had a hardship waiver denied by the Big 12 before a successful appeal to the NCAA, which allowed it on the basis of alcohol addiction).
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Post by slxpress on Oct 8, 2022 19:43:55 GMT -5
That's incorrect. There's no such thing as a medical redshirt in the NCAA handbook. There's only a redshirt. A medical redshirt is a colloquialism applied to when a redshirt is given in a year in which the player has participated, but lost a significant part of the season due to injury. The amount of time is very specific. Less than 30% of the games/matches played, rounded down. This is granted as a rubber stamp/arithmetic operation at the conference level, not the NCAA level, except for independents. It's a cut and dried answer. Either a player qualifies or they do not. The waiver is a hardship waiver, and is something different. It can only be used to grant a 6th year of eligibility after a redshirt year was granted - whether it was through not playing for a year or through injury playing less than 30% of the games/matches. The possible 7th year of eligibility is only possible because of the ongoing Covid years. The hardship waiver only grants a 6th year of eligibility in addition to the redshirt year a player received. Examples and there ste many: Jason White (1999, 2002, suffered a back injury as a freshman and then had ACL tears in back-to-back seasons, allowing him to return for a sixth year, one season after winning the Heisman Trophy); Dusty Dvoracek (2005, was dismissed after allegations of violent, off-the-field behavior as a senior in 2004, had a hardship waiver denied by the Big 12 before a successful appeal to the NCAA, which allowed it on the basis of alcohol addiction). No one is arguing over whether someone can get a 6th year. "It can only be used to grant a 6th year of eligibility after a redshirt year was granted...."
I'm saying you can't use it to get a 7th year of eligibility. A 7th year of eligibility is Covid related. Neither White nor Dvoracek had a 7th year granted to them. They had a 6th year granted to them. There are countless examples of 6th year waivers granted. The only examples of 7th year waivers granted are due to Covid.
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Oct 8, 2022 21:31:23 GMT -5
Sooo... Did anyone besides me notice that Chloe Ng was wearing #7 last night? I wonder if she will get a redshirt. (How do you say that? - I suppose I could ask on the stupid questions thread LOL.)
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Post by dodger on Oct 9, 2022 8:04:57 GMT -5
Examples and there ste many: Jason White (1999, 2002, suffered a back injury as a freshman and then had ACL tears in back-to-back seasons, allowing him to return for a sixth year, one season after winning the Heisman Trophy); Dusty Dvoracek (2005, was dismissed after allegations of violent, off-the-field behavior as a senior in 2004, had a hardship waiver denied by the Big 12 before a successful appeal to the NCAA, which allowed it on the basis of alcohol addiction). No one is arguing over whether someone can get a 6th year. "It can only be used to grant a 6th year of eligibility after a redshirt year was granted...."
I'm saying you can't use it to get a 7th year of eligibility. A 7th year of eligibility is Covid related. Neither White nor Dvoracek had a 7th year granted to them. They had a 6th year granted to them. There are countless examples of 6th year waivers granted. The only examples of 7th year waivers granted are due to Covid. That is not true: i had an OH get 7 and here are other examples from googling: didn't even have to go to ncaa archives to find examples: This is how a college football player gets 7 years of eligibility The NCAA has a process for letting players make up years lost to injury. By Alex Kirshner on February 10, 2017 10:52 am The medical hardship waiver is the most common tool to get extra years Barr’s example is instructive. In 2012, he played a full season for Towson. In 2013, he tore a pectoral muscle in the second game. He missed nine of the Tigers’ 11 games that season, then suffered pectoral and ACL tears in the run-ups to the next two seasons. Starr played a total of two games between 2013 and 2015. A seventh year of eligibility is exceptionally rare, but Barr isn’t football’s first. Texas Tech offensive lineman Tony Morales got a seventh year granted, after missing four in a row with injuries. San Jose State running back Deontae Cooper did, too, after having three years erased by injuries. In the last decade, it’s also happened at Utah and Robert Morris. Some big-name players, like former Houston QB Case Keenum, have hit six. How far could this go? It’s not exactly clear I can’t find reports of a player getting more than seven years. Has it happened? Unclear, because the NCAA doesn’t keep a detailed public accounting of every waiver given to every player ever. But getting more than five years to move through a career is simple, if you’ve suffered some painful injuries. The above from article with examples: there is no time line on how many times you can do this : the real question is why would want to be in college for a 7th or 8th year of eleginility? But as long as you get injured and want to continue there isnt a limit on how many waivers you can get
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Oct 9, 2022 8:47:21 GMT -5
Sooo... Did anyone besides me notice that Chloe Ng was wearing #7 last night? I wonder if she will get a redshirt. (How do you say that? - I suppose I could ask on the stupid questions thread LOL.) I would not be surprised by that, especially since she has not seen the court once yet. She didn’t even participate in the scrimmage game.
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Post by spikerthemovie on Oct 9, 2022 13:39:54 GMT -5
Sooo... Did anyone besides me notice that Chloe Ng was wearing #7 last night? I wonder if she will get a redshirt. (How do you say that? - I suppose I could ask on the stupid questions thread LOL.) I would not be surprised by that, especially since she has not seen the court once yet. She didn’t even participate in the scrimmage game. I would be VERY surprised by that.
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Post by sptimes2 on Oct 10, 2022 9:01:28 GMT -5
This is behind a paywall. Newspapers aren't free can anyone give a summary of this article for us non-subscribers?
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Post by spikerthemovie on Oct 10, 2022 10:19:27 GMT -5
can anyone give a summary of this article for us non-subscribers? Essentially, they come from a huge volleyball family (with a younger sister still to come), are thrilled to be Gophers, always wanted to be Gophers, love Hugh. And Olivia (the outside hitter), who had been injured, is healed and ready to contribute.
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