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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 5, 2018 15:29:15 GMT -5
I am tired of the B1G bias in the poll really Wisconsin loses twice at home. While Pitt wins two away games and they drop? Also one Nebraska win at home in 5 and they leapfrog Texas. C’mon guys the Big Ten is the best conference in Women’s College Volleyball but let’s at least give credit where it’s due to other schools. Surprised Kentucky got a big jump although they were just outside my top ten last week and I think they would have beaten Florida at home even with a healthy Thayer Hall but I had them at 10 in my rankings they have been trending up for awhile. Pitt is extremely difficult for me to place. A couple of weeks ago, when they were undefeated it was easy. Plug them in at four and move on. Now, it's really difficult because their schedule is so different from everyone around them. I don't really know how to rank them in an unbiased way. I'm a firm believer in you can only play who they put in front of you, but Pitt's best wins are #16 Cal Poly at home, #26 Washington at home, #29 Louisville at home, RV Florida St. at home, and RV Pepperdine at home. Their best road win is . . . 16-11 Georgia Tech? Of the eight road games they've played, none are against ranked teams and they lost to Duke who is a borderline Top 5 ACC team and who's most notable accomplishment in this context is stealing a set from BYU. I'm sorry to Pitt fans, but I honestly have no idea how to properly reward that team for only having one loss while also looking at schedules that have 6-10 top 20 matches with wins against Top-10 teams. This week, I had them at #11 which is where I had them last week. I can't justify moving them higher. And while I feel for fans of less powerful conferences(Three words: Big Ten Baseball), at a certain point you either need to be undefeated or schedule harder out of conference to get the benefit of the doubt on being a Top-10 team. I agree with you. In my heart, I really want to see Pitt, and similar schools, do well, be ranked highly, etc. The odds are stacked against them, so it's great to see them succeed. However, like you pointed out, Pitt's resume is starting to look less and less impressive. They needed to not lose. After that loss, even going to 4 sets against weak opponents starts to look bad. I had them at #13 this week. I hope they hold on and at get a top-16 seed. A couple weeks ago I was really hoping for them to garner a top-4 seed. That dream is gone. Now they are going to have to fight, show what they're made of, prove that they belong.
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Post by volleyfan24 on Nov 5, 2018 16:00:11 GMT -5
Since my intial post has seemed to garner some discussion let me say this. I have watched a lot of Pitt this season and when on they look very much like a top 10 team. I had them above Wisconsin this week Wisconsin was 11 in my rankings cause after looking impressive against Minnesota they lose to an injury ridden Michigan at home. If Pitt and Wisonsin played I would say edge Pitt cause their pins are better Lund and Markovic and their middle LVB may not be Dana Rettke but she is damn good. Would actually love to see this match come to fruition in the tournament. Honestly Wisconsin may have a higher ceiling than Pitt,but the Badgers are wildly inconsistent.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Nov 5, 2018 16:05:25 GMT -5
Wow. I had Wisconsin at 16. You were kinder than I was.
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 5, 2018 16:25:34 GMT -5
Here is another one. Team A is 22-4 and considered a top 10 team according to the coaches and VT. Team B is 18-6 and is just inside the top 20 in both polls. Here are their wins in terms of LW Pablo ranking:
Team A: 6,18,18,20,37,83,96,125,125,131,135,136,136,153,153,165,165,187,187,194,260,260 Team B: 12,20,20,23,27,27,29,30,30,33,58,58,89,92,96,140,200,263
And the losses:
Team A: 4,7,12,20 Team B: 1,10,23,32,53,56
In terms of the quality of the wins - I would take Team B - it is just much longer while the best win is with Team A. Team A has scheduled well - so their losses look more impressive - but within the context of the # of quality matches played - it doesn't look that bad for Team B. I am not necessarily arguing that Team B should be ranked higher - but the difference between these two teams in the rankings seems off.
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 5, 2018 16:33:28 GMT -5
Here is another one. Team A is 22-4 and considered a top 10 team according to the coaches and VT. Team B is 18-6 and is just inside the top 20 in both polls. Here are their wins in terms of LW Pablo ranking: Team A: 6,18,18,20,37,83,96,125,125,131,135,136,136,153,153,165,165,187,187,194,260,260 Team B: 12,20,20,23,27,27,29,30,30,33,58,58,89,92,96,140,200,263 And the losses: Team A: 4,7,12,20 Team B: 1,10,23,32,53,56 In terms of the quality of the wins - I would take Team B - it is just much longer while the best win is with Team A. Team A has scheduled well - so their losses look more impressive - but within the context of the # of quality matches played - it doesn't look that bad for Team B. I am not necessarily arguing that Team B should be ranked higher - but the difference between these two teams in the rankings seems off. Against Top 35, Team A is 4-4; Team B is 10-4. Or Against Top 60, Team A is 5-4; Team B is 12-6.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 5, 2018 16:36:49 GMT -5
Here is another one. Team A is 22-4 and considered a top 10 team according to the coaches and VT. Team B is 18-6 and is just inside the top 20 in both polls. Here are their wins in terms of LW Pablo ranking: Team A: 6,18,18,20,37,83,96,125,125,131,135,136,136,153,153,165,165,187,187,194,260,260 Team B: 12,20,20,23,27,27,29,30,30,33,58,58,89,92,96,140,200,263 And the losses: Team A: 4,7,12,20 Team B: 1,10,23,32,53,56 In terms of the quality of the wins - I would take Team B - it is just much longer while the best win is with Team A. Team A has scheduled well - so their losses look more impressive - but within the context of the # of quality matches played - it doesn't look that bad for Team B. I am not necessarily arguing that Team B should be ranked higher - but the difference between these two teams in the rankings seems off. Pablo has Team B above Team A this week (and they also have the teams from your first hypothetical arranged contrary to the polls.
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Post by vbprisoner on Nov 5, 2018 20:17:27 GMT -5
Comparison doc added to page 1 second post.
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Post by Millennium on Nov 5, 2018 20:44:33 GMT -5
How cool would it be to have a BYU/Kentucky/Pitt/Creighton final four? Yeah, sure, it ain't gonna happen. But it would be a nice change of pace.
You'd be in cupcake heaven. LOL!!
No disrespect to any of the teams above; it's a TomClen joke.
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Post by bayarea on Nov 5, 2018 20:46:17 GMT -5
I find it a bit concerning that my top 11 are identical with the AVCA poll this week, and my 12/13 are flipped from theirs. I am way off from the VT mainstream.
Did I accidentally send my poll into the wrong place??
Oh geez. Reading the rest of the poll, my top 20 are identical with AVCA except 12/13 are flipped, 14/15 are flipped and 18/19 are flipped. This is disturbing.
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 5, 2018 21:08:31 GMT -5
I find it a bit concerning that my top 11 are identical with the AVCA poll this week, and my 12/13 are flipped from theirs. I am way off from the VT mainstream. Did I accidentally send my poll into the wrong place?? Oh geez. Reading the rest of the poll, my top 20 are identical with AVCA except 12/13 are flipped, 14/15 are flipped and 18/19 are flipped. This is disturbing. I'm disappointed in you.
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Post by bayarea on Nov 5, 2018 21:14:42 GMT -5
I find it a bit concerning that my top 11 are identical with the AVCA poll this week, and my 12/13 are flipped from theirs. I am way off from the VT mainstream. Did I accidentally send my poll into the wrong place?? Oh geez. Reading the rest of the poll, my top 20 are identical with AVCA except 12/13 are flipped, 14/15 are flipped and 18/19 are flipped. This is disturbing. I'm disappointed in you. I am utterly ashamed.
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Post by vbprisoner on Nov 5, 2018 21:16:53 GMT -5
I find it a bit concerning that my top 11 are identical with the AVCA poll this week, and my 12/13 are flipped from theirs. I am way off from the VT mainstream. Did I accidentally send my poll into the wrong place?? Oh geez. Reading the rest of the poll, my top 20 are identical with AVCA except 12/13 are flipped, 14/15 are flipped and 18/19 are flipped. This is disturbing. SMH! You are now on double secret probation.
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Post by vbman100 on Nov 5, 2018 21:21:16 GMT -5
Do these voters even pay attention to who actually wins and loses matches?
Washington and Arizona are both 7-7 in the Pac 12, Washington is 2-0 vs Arizona, and yet Arizona is about 4 spots ahead of Washington, by about 60 points.
That's why I like the AVCA poll better.
Hey, wait a second...
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 5, 2018 22:14:12 GMT -5
Do these voters even pay attention to who actually wins and loses matches? Washington and Arizona are both 7-7 in the Pac 12, Washington is 2-0 vs Arizona, and yet Arizona is about 4 spots ahead of Washington, by about 60 points. That's why I like the AVCA poll better. Hey, wait a second... Definitely good that UW won its home matches this weekend against the Arizona schools. The polls are probably reflecting on it's previous 5 matches, which were all losses.
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Post by bruinsgold on Nov 5, 2018 22:15:34 GMT -5
Do these voters even pay attention to who actually wins and loses matches? Washington and Arizona are both 7-7 in the Pac 12, Washington is 2-0 vs Arizona, and yet Arizona is about 4 spots ahead of Washington, by about 60 points. That's why I like the AVCA poll better. Hey, wait a second... Not all of us look at just raw numbers. We look at who these teams beat and who they lost too. A LOT of us watch the actual matches and ask questions like, "How are they improving? Are they improving? Was it a competitive match? How would Team A do against Team B in the tournament? Is this loss due to injuries or lack of depth/coaching?" It's not so cut and dry for me. I don't do black and white. I have to analyze tangibles because the teams with the best records don't always end up being the teams to win it all in the end. But you're entitled to like the AVCA Coach's Poll. You're entitled to ignore this weekly thread all together if you're against what it represents. It's not a mandatory click.
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