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Post by tallguy86 on Dec 22, 2018 18:24:34 GMT -5
Not sure I agree. I am wondering if things start to get really busy after the start of the new semester (once the scholarship is secured). I do think it's easier but not necessarily better...the risks are different. I think the new rules will definitely change how coaches recruit and players choose schools. I can see a scenario where a top recruit wants to go to school A. However, her position is blocked by an entrenched Senior. So, instead of red shirting, or playing behind the Senior with no game action, they go to school B where they can instantly start and get full time action. Then, after that year, they transfer... with no muss/no fuss (Poulter/Allison is a perfect example).
Maybe there is even a discussion between the player and the coach during the recruitment process. I'm sure no one would admit it though. This could be a win/win scenario.
Also... I now see the end of season through Spring being a "free agency" period - bring on the "Hot Stove"...!
This is quite the conspiracy theory. I doubt good coaches want the future stars of their programs to be trained by another coach for a year. Coaches are pretty egotistical, so they think their training for a year while redshirting is better than playing at another school. Also, wouldn’t coaches want them to train under them, then have four years of eligibility. Finding good players are hard enough; they don’t want to find good players to only have in their program for three years instead of five... |
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Post by n00b on Dec 22, 2018 18:30:34 GMT -5
I don’t think the new rule really makes it any easier or harder to transfer. Just changes the process a bit. If anything, it’s now MORE difficult to find out where you can get a scholarship before telling your old school that you’re leaving. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 21.720000000000027px; height: 6.6200000000000045px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_59404810" scrolling="no" width="21.720000000000027" height="6.6200000000000045"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 21.72px; height: 6.62px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1028px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_66217553" scrolling="no" width="21.720000000000027" height="6.6200000000000045"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 21.72px; height: 6.62px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 268px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_40999466" scrolling="no" width="21.720000000000027" height="6.6200000000000045"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 21.72px; height: 6.62px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1028px; top: 268px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_82306217" scrolling="no" width="21.720000000000027" height="6.6200000000000045"></iframe> True, but now there's no blocking where a player can go - that's key. That’s not true. LSU still could’ve made Holman sit for a year just like they did a few years ago. The rule ONLY eliminates the previous need for athletes to get permission to contact other schools. The previous school still needs to sign off on the year-in-residence waiver. |
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Post by n00b on Dec 22, 2018 18:39:55 GMT -5
Not sure I agree. I am wondering if things start to get really busy after the start of the new semester (once the scholarship is secured). I do think it's easier but not necessarily better...the risks are different. I think the new rules will definitely change how coaches recruit and players choose schools. I can see a scenario where a top recruit wants to go to school A. However, her position is blocked by an entrenched Senior. So, instead of red shirting, or playing behind the Senior with no game action, they go to school B where they can instantly start and get full time action. Then, after that year, they transfer... with no muss/no fuss (Poulter/Allison is a perfect example).
Maybe there is even a discussion between the player and the coach during the recruitment process. I'm sure no one would admit it though. This could be a win/win scenario.
Also... I now see the end of season through Spring being a "free agency" period - bring on the "Hot Stove"...!
You think the new rule will CREATE that? There are already quite a few programs/coaches who get kids to transfer up from lower tier programs on a regular basis. |
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Post by leftyopp on Dec 22, 2018 18:40:08 GMT -5
I think the new rules will definitely change how coaches recruit and players choose schools. I can see a scenario where a top recruit wants to go to school A. However, her position is blocked by an entrenched Senior. So, instead of red shirting, or playing behind the Senior with no game action, they go to school B where they can instantly start and get full time action. Then, after that year, they transfer... with no muss/no fuss (Poulter/Allison is a perfect example).
Maybe there is even a discussion between the player and the coach during the recruitment process. I'm sure no one would admit it though. This could be a win/win scenario.
Also... I now see the end of season through Spring being a "free agency" period - bring on the "Hot Stove"...!
This is quite the conspiracy theory. I doubt good coaches want the future stars of their programs to be trained by another coach for a year. Coaches are pretty egotistical, so they think their training for a year while redshirting is better than playing at another school. Also, wouldn’t coaches want them to train under them, then have four years of eligibility. Finding good players are hard enough; they don’t want to find good players to only have in their program for three years instead of five... Maybe, maybe not. Don't think it is a conspiracy theory at all. I think it's certainly a possibility in some scenarios. Coaches may want that, but players want to play. Maybe they don't want to waste their red shirt year. Who knows. Point is the new rules changes the game and I think we will see a greater influx of transferring for sure. |
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Post by leftyopp on Dec 22, 2018 18:41:53 GMT -5
I think the new rules will definitely change how coaches recruit and players choose schools. I can see a scenario where a top recruit wants to go to school A. However, her position is blocked by an entrenched Senior. So, instead of red shirting, or playing behind the Senior with no game action, they go to school B where they can instantly start and get full time action. Then, after that year, they transfer... with no muss/no fuss (Poulter/Allison is a perfect example).
Maybe there is even a discussion between the player and the coach during the recruitment process. I'm sure no one would admit it though. This could be a win/win scenario.
Also... I now see the end of season through Spring being a "free agency" period - bring on the "Hot Stove"...!
You think the new rule will CREATE that? There are already quite a few programs/coaches who get kids to transfer up from lower tier programs on a regular basis. Create from Power 5 to Power 5... I think you will see much more of it. |
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Post by socal3 on Dec 22, 2018 19:41:42 GMT -5
Question. If a player is on a 4 year full beach scholarship and currently in her junior year and wants to explore 5th year indoor opportunities, does she have to get the OK/permission from her current school first?
I’m pretty sure since it’s considered a different sport she wouldn’t have to. Does anyone know for sure?
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Post by n00b on Dec 22, 2018 20:02:25 GMT -5
Question. If a player is on a 4 year full beach scholarship and currently in her junior year and wants to explore 5th year indoor opportunities, does she have to get the OK/permission from her current school first? I’m pretty sure since it’s considered a different sport she wouldn’t have to. Does anyone know for sure? It’s still a transfer. Getting permission to contact isn’t a thing any more, but she must enter her name into the transfer portal before communicating with other schools. Not many doing what you’ve mentioned but the transfer portal is full of indoor players who have exhausted their eligibility and want to play a year of beach. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 22, 2018 20:14:19 GMT -5
Question. If a player is on a 4 year full beach scholarship and currently in her junior year and wants to explore 5th year indoor opportunities, does she have to get the OK/permission from her current school first? I’m pretty sure since it’s considered a different sport she wouldn’t have to. Does anyone know for sure? It’s still a transfer. Getting permission to contact isn’t a thing any more, but she must enter her name into the transfer portal before communicating with other schools. Not many doing what you’ve mentioned but the transfer portal is full of indoor players who have exhausted their eligibility and want to play a year of beach. Is getting permission to contact same as being released? Meaning unless interconference, there is no way someone will have to sit out a year |
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Post by n00b on Dec 24, 2018 10:26:09 GMT -5
It’s still a transfer. Getting permission to contact isn’t a thing any more, but she must enter her name into the transfer portal before communicating with other schools. Not many doing what you’ve mentioned but the transfer portal is full of indoor players who have exhausted their eligibility and want to play a year of beach. Is getting permission to contact same as being released? Meaning unless interconference, there is no way someone will have to sit out a year Not the same thing. Previous school still needs to sign off on the transfer being allowed to play immediately. |
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Post by sevb on Dec 24, 2018 10:51:57 GMT -5
Question. If a player is on a 4 year full beach scholarship and currently in her junior year and wants to explore 5th year indoor opportunities, does she have to get the OK/permission from her current school first? I’m pretty sure since it’s considered a different sport she wouldn’t have to. Does anyone know for sure? More than that... If a SA attends a school that sponsors a sport (even if they don't compete in it at their current school)... They need a release to go to another school and compete in that sport! |
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Post by hornfanaustin on Dec 24, 2018 10:57:45 GMT -5
How correct is this table? I'd be glad to correct with "feedback"
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 24, 2018 12:01:06 GMT -5
Sophie Walls, 5-11 setter from Houston, TX has transferred from Miami(FL) to Penn State. She has three years of eligibility remaining.
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Post by itsallrelative on Dec 24, 2018 12:32:34 GMT -5
I wonder if she'll get any playing time since Gabby Blossom (I assume) will be the starting setter in 2019. While not quite Allison or Miller, I love how the B1G guns graduate setters and immediately get transfers. I’d hate the B1G if I wasn’t already a fan. It is almost like RR likes competition within his roster... And a 6-2 has to be a possibility, I would think... |
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Post by 642fiddi on Dec 24, 2018 14:46:49 GMT -5
While not quite Allison or Miller, I love how the B1G guns graduate setters and immediately get transfers. I’d hate the B1G if I wasn’t already a fan. It is almost like RR likes competition within his roster... And a 6-2 has to be a possibility, I would think... Al Scates used to do this. Take everybody so they don't play somewhere else and come back to beat you. Especially if they are desperate to compete for a championship and are willing to walk on. I wonder if some are resume building.... sit on a BIG bench and maybe win a championship.
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Post by n00b on Dec 24, 2018 14:57:01 GMT -5
While not quite Allison or Miller, I love how the B1G guns graduate setters and immediately get transfers. I’d hate the B1G if I wasn’t already a fan. It is almost like RR likes competition within his roster... And a 6-2 has to be a possibility, I would think... As I mentioned in the Penn State thread, this does not create competition. Walls played one set for Miami this year. She’s almost definitely a walkon DS. |
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