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Post by Jumper40 on Dec 1, 2004 13:58:31 GMT -5
I think in order to have a better display of community what is needed is a NIT or another Big Tournament to give the NCAA some competition.
I think it would be better then begging for the scraps from longshanks table.
Jumper40 The Magnificent
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Dec 1, 2004 14:01:57 GMT -5
The NIT had an invitation only tournament that ended a few years back. The teams picked for the NIT was usually comprised of the teams that didn't make the NCAA's.
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Post by Gorf on Dec 1, 2004 14:05:12 GMT -5
NIVC?
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Post by Jumper40 on Dec 1, 2004 14:13:07 GMT -5
Don't you think that it is about time to bring it back, but with another flare.
Make it an invite of inclusion not one of rejects.
Change the paradigm.
Jumper40 The Magnificent
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Dec 1, 2004 14:15:32 GMT -5
Don't you think that it is about time to bring it back, but with another flare. Make it an invite of inclusion not one of rejects. Change the paradigm. Jumper40 The Magnificent Wouldn't work. The NCAA is omnipotent. |
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Post by BearClause on Dec 1, 2004 14:20:01 GMT -5
Don't you think that it is about time to bring it back, but with another flare. Make it an invite of inclusion not one of rejects. Change the paradigm. Jumper40 The Magnificent Say again? You mean like when the NCAA men's basketball tournament was the "also-ran" to the postseason NIT? Apparently the NIT was the big show until 1950, when a point-shaving scandal at CCNY brought down the prestige of the NIT. Previous to this, the NCAA Tournament scheduled around the NIT such that they could invite teams that went to the more prestigious NIT. |
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Post by Jumper40 on Dec 1, 2004 14:32:11 GMT -5
Thinking inside four squares where there is only total darkness can be difficult.
Work yourself out of the black box.
Form another organization, that will invite whom ever they please and make it more glamourous than it is now.
That shouldn't be hard.
It isn't rocket science.
What to make some money?
Jumper40 The Magnificent
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Post by roy on Dec 1, 2004 14:56:58 GMT -5
I don't think the NIT equivalent would work. If you want good teams, you will need to schedule it after the NCAA tournament and right into the holidays. If you invite teams that didn't make the NCAA tournament, you are probably not looking at very high quality play. No one left from the WCC, Big 10, Pac 10, Big 12, or Big West has a winning record. As much as I like some teams, you are looking at teams like Fresno State and Boise State. It's going to be a major drop off in talent.
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Post by ugopher on Dec 1, 2004 15:03:16 GMT -5
The basketball NIT, I believe, is challenging the NCAA on the post-season tournament on the grounds that the NCAA is a monopoly. I don't think schools that are a member of the NCAA have a choice of opting out of the tournament to play in the NIT. I'm sure the same principle would apply here. I'm sure there are other organizations closely watching how the NIT/NCAA dispute plays out.
On the other hand, if there were a rival organization to the NCAA for a post-season v-ball tourney, it could hurt the smaller schools. I doubt the "NIT" would work hard to recruit, and no disrespect intended, American, Western Kentucky, Towson, Yale, etc. but would focus on the big name schools like Hawai'i, USC, MN, Nebraska, etc. This could lead to a situation of where a clear cut national champion could not be determined.
Example this year: Hawai'i, upset at their seeding/bracket chooses the NIT. They win the NIT and one of the other top seeds, Nebraska/MN/PSU, wins the NCAA, who is the national champion? Not to mention what to existing brackets.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Dec 1, 2004 15:33:40 GMT -5
I don't think the NIT equivalent would work. If you want good teams, you will need to schedule it after the NCAA tournament and right into the holidays. If you invite teams that didn't make the NCAA tournament, you are probably not looking at very high quality play. No one left from the WCC, Big 10, Pac 10, Big 12, or Big West has a winning record. As much as I like some teams, you are looking at teams like Fresno State and Boise State. It's going to be a major drop off in talent. A major drop in NAMES maybe, but not a major drop in quality, especially compared to the bottom teams in the NCAA tournament. You mentioned a couple of west coast teams, but consider the teams that were close but didn't make it: North Carolina, Duke, Northern Iowa, Southwest Missouri State, Western Kentucky, Western Michigan, Cincinnati, etc. These aren't big name programs, not being from the major conferences, but they're anything but pushovers. Most have wins against teams that are in the tournament (UNI beat Notre Dame and Winthrop, for example), and could probably beat at least of dozen of the automatic qualifiers. No, it won't be as good as the NCAA tournament, but it is a great opportunity for teams at much the same level from around the country to get together to showcase their skills (with the nationwide exposure to other teams probably the most important outcome). If nothing else, the winner of the thing can make the claim as the team that most likely should have been in the NCAA tournament instead. |
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Post by Island on Dec 1, 2004 15:48:43 GMT -5
Who says you need a winning record? Just invite good teams. There have been some .500 teams in the NIT that did very well in basketball. Pepperdine could certainly entertain as well as other late bloomers whose season didn't go well. UNC and Duke have decent fan bases. SMS, Western Kentucky, Western Michigan can provide the competition. It probably would start out as a small tournament at first and probably not be bigger than a 16 or 32 seed tournament. But the quality of play can be pretty good. If you add teams that are first round exits, you might even have an better result but you'd also be playing deep in December. Hard but the strenght of competition depends on the teams invited not the teams left over because there is still some good teams left out. I don't think the NIT equivalent would work. If you want good teams, you will need to schedule it after the NCAA tournament and right into the holidays. If you invite teams that didn't make the NCAA tournament, you are probably not looking at very high quality play. No one left from the WCC, Big 10, Pac 10, Big 12, or Big West has a winning record. As much as I like some teams, you are looking at teams like Fresno State and Boise State. It's going to be a major drop off in talent. |
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Post by Charlie on Dec 1, 2004 15:49:26 GMT -5
Thinking inside four squares where there is only total darkness can be difficult. Work yourself out of the black box. Form another organization, that will invite whom ever they please and make it more glamourous than it is now. It's easy to say "think out of the box". And, it's pretty meaningless, actually. Programs that would have a chance to win an NCAA Championship would never, ever go to a competing tournament. There isn't an AD in the country that would allow that. How do you make a competing tournament "more glamourous" than the official National Championship? I'd like to hear your ideas. And I was just wondering how you planned to finance a major, national tournament? Hmm, just think outside the box and it should be no problem to come up with the money, right? |
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Post by Jumper40 on Dec 1, 2004 20:27:17 GMT -5
Why should I tell - I going to make all the money as well as my investors.
Most people think that it is meaningless to work out of the black box - because they have been taught that and remain clueless.
You can checkout what will be happening soon on another thread I posted on.
Jumper40 The Magnificent
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