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Post by ajm on May 28, 2019 17:02:00 GMT -5
Yes. They make it very clear that they earn a spot for their conferderation, but there’s no cases that we know of where the team who qualified and earned the spot was replaced with another team by their governing confederation, right? I really hope USA wouldn't do that. Our country doesn't work that way and the 2 teams that earn it point wise should be the ones that are allowed to go. But in the case of an injury or positive doping test I think it’s completely fair. And do we need another reminder that Alix has already tested positive twice? Or an extremely unlikely hypothetical example, what if Larsen/Stockman somehow win world champs, but never finish higher than 17th after that?
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Post by tamz on May 28, 2019 17:05:04 GMT -5
I added 2 new columns, tracking last weeks AVG, and the change to AVG, basically to show a trend. As you will see, KWJ/Sweat are in the lead, but are 4th in AVG, but are trending upwards, raising their avg 45 points with the win. They are 4 tournaments away from being the winners in the club house. If they can get there this year, they can pick and choose their tournaments next year and manage their health. 3 teams hurt their averages. as of May 27, 2019 Team - Nb. - Points - AVG - AVG Last week - AVG change Walsh Jennings/Sweat - 8 - 3,900 - 488 - 443 - 45 Klineman/Ross - 5 - 3,240 - 648 - 648 - 0 Day/Flint - 6 - 2,500 - 417 - 436 - (19) Hughes/Summer - 5 - 2,400 - 480 - 500 - (20) Sponcil/Claes - 4 - 2,080 - 520 - 533 - (13) Larsen/Stockman - 5 - 2,000 - 400 - 400 - 0 Howard/Reeves - 5 - 1,400 - 280 - 280 - 0 To keep those averages that they currently have, our USA teams would have to finish this week in Ostrava: ATeam: 3rd or better for 640 points, their current average at 648 points 2S: 5th or better for 480 points, their current average at 480 points. Sponcil/Claes: 4th or better for 560 points, their current average at 520 points. KWJ/BS: 5th or better for 480 points, their current average at 488 points.
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Post by tamz on May 28, 2019 17:05:34 GMT -5
I really hope USA wouldn't do that. Our country doesn't work that way and the 2 teams that earn it point wise should be the ones that are allowed to go. But in the case of an injury or positive doping test I think it’s completely fair. And do we need another reminder that Alix has already tested positive twice? Or an extremely unlikely hypothetical example, what if Larsen/Stockman somehow win world champs, but never finish higher than 17th after that? Oh right. Forgot about the auto ticket for winning World Champs!
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Post by haze on May 28, 2019 17:15:26 GMT -5
I really hope USA wouldn't do that. Our country doesn't work that way and the 2 teams that earn it point wise should be the ones that are allowed to go. But in the case of an injury or positive doping test I think it’s completely fair. And do we need another reminder that Alix has already tested positive twice? Or an extremely unlikely hypothetical example, what if Larsen/Stockman somehow win world champs, but never finish higher than 17th after that? I would be more concerned about Kerri or Brookes shoulder going out then I would Klineman testing positive again, especially considering her circumstance. The only way the Larson/Stockman hypothetical would come into play IMHO is if USA didn't already have 2 teams that qualified via points, which I can't see happening. Remember Hyden and Bourne actually qualified for the last Olympics via points, but couldn't go because of country quota. If Larson/Stockman situation, and USA didn't have 2 teams qualify via points, then I would hope USA would send Larson/Stockman with that auto bid, because they were the ones who I earned it. i think USA would do that too.
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Post by tamz on May 28, 2019 17:25:17 GMT -5
But in the case of an injury or positive doping test I think it’s completely fair. And do we need another reminder that Alix has already tested positive twice? Or an extremely unlikely hypothetical example, what if Larsen/Stockman somehow win world champs, but never finish higher than 17th after that? I would be more concerned about Kerri or Brookes shoulder going out then I would Klineman testing positive again, especially considering her circumstance. The only way the Larson/Stockman hypothetical would come into play IMHO is if USA didn't already have 2 teams that qualified via points, which I can't see happening. Remember Hyden and Bourne actually qualified for the last Olympics via points, but couldn't go because of country quota. If Larson/Stockman situation, and USA didn't have 2 teams qualify via points, then I would hope USA would send Larson/Stockman with that auto bid, because they were the ones who I earned it. i think USA would do that too. Strictly typing based on memory, Larsen/Stockman looked promising at the end of last season, where they defeated a few good teams and reached the quarterfinals. But lately, they’ve been... disappointing. They would put up a good fight and then ultimately just lose the match. They seem to struggle against Brazil and unluckily for them, they draw a Brazilian team almost every other tournament. They probably cringe when they see Agatha/Duda’s name as they’ve lost the last 4 matches against that team.
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Post by tamz on May 28, 2019 17:29:39 GMT -5
However, luckily for the four teams who have played in CQ in the last three weeks, three of them are headed to World Champs to try to earn more points to be the 2nd or 3rd ranked team to stay out of CQ. KWJ/BS, Sponcil/Claes and Larsen/Stockman are seeded 13th, 14th, and 15th respectively right now for World Champs.
I don’t know what Day/Flint needs to do to get back in the mix. Play in 3* events? That seems to have benefitted Kerri/Brooke and T2 to ease their way into 4* events.
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Post by haze on May 28, 2019 17:46:17 GMT -5
It is fun to see the depth on the women's side on the FIVB right now. There is depth for days even among some of the best teams in the World.
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Post by wang pu on May 28, 2019 18:00:04 GMT -5
But in the case of an injury or positive doping test I think it’s completely fair. And do we need another reminder that Alix has already tested positive twice? Or an extremely unlikely hypothetical example, what if Larsen/Stockman somehow win world champs, but never finish higher than 17th after that? Oh right. Forgot about the auto ticket for winning World Champs! Is the auto ticket for the team or the federation?
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Post by haze on May 28, 2019 18:08:45 GMT -5
Oh right. Forgot about the auto ticket for winning World Champs! Is the auto ticket for the team or the federation? Federation
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Post by tamz on May 28, 2019 18:24:29 GMT -5
Oh right. Forgot about the auto ticket for winning World Champs! Is the auto ticket for the team or the federation? If I’m not mistaken, all these qualifications are for the federation. Technically the federation can send who they like, but that has not happened in the past.
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Post by ajm on May 28, 2019 18:41:15 GMT -5
But in the case of an injury or positive doping test I think it’s completely fair. And do we need another reminder that Alix has already tested positive twice? Or an extremely unlikely hypothetical example, what if Larsen/Stockman somehow win world champs, but never finish higher than 17th after that? I would be more concerned about Kerri or Brookes shoulder going out then I would Klineman testing positive again, especially considering her circumstance. The only way the Larson/Stockman hypothetical would come into play IMHO is if USA didn't already have 2 teams that qualified via points, which I can't see happening. Remember Hyden and Bourne actually qualified for the last Olympics via points, but couldn't go because of country quota. If Larson/Stockman situation, and USA didn't have 2 teams qualify via points, then I would hope USA would send Larson/Stockman with that auto bid, because they were the ones who I earned it. i think USA would do that too. So if two teams qualify via points and a third team qualifies by winning world champs, which two teams would you send to the Olympics?
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Post by tamz on May 28, 2019 18:53:09 GMT -5
I would be more concerned about Kerri or Brookes shoulder going out then I would Klineman testing positive again, especially considering her circumstance. The only way the Larson/Stockman hypothetical would come into play IMHO is if USA didn't already have 2 teams that qualified via points, which I can't see happening. Remember Hyden and Bourne actually qualified for the last Olympics via points, but couldn't go because of country quota. If Larson/Stockman situation, and USA didn't have 2 teams qualify via points, then I would hope USA would send Larson/Stockman with that auto bid, because they were the ones who I earned it. i think USA would do that too. So if two teams qualify via points and a third team qualifies by winning world champs, which two teams would you send to the Olympics? Team who won World Champs and team who has more points in rankings. That’s what USAV would do.
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Post by haze on May 28, 2019 19:19:29 GMT -5
So if two teams qualify via points and a third team qualifies by winning world champs, which two teams would you send to the Olympics? Team who won World Champs and team who has more points in rankings. That’s what USAV would do. The top 2 teams in terms of points that qualified. I would be curious to know what would happen if a team wins the auto bid tournament, and then doesn't even play in the required amount of tournaments to be eligible? FIVB recognizes Federation bids, and not individual team bids.
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Post by tamz on May 28, 2019 19:23:38 GMT -5
I would be more concerned about Kerri or Brookes shoulder going out then I would Klineman testing positive again, especially considering her circumstance. The only way the Larson/Stockman hypothetical would come into play IMHO is if USA didn't already have 2 teams that qualified via points, which I can't see happening. Remember Hyden and Bourne actually qualified for the last Olympics via points, but couldn't go because of country quota. If Larson/Stockman situation, and USA didn't have 2 teams qualify via points, then I would hope USA would send Larson/Stockman with that auto bid, because they were the ones who I earned it. i think USA would do that too. So if two teams qualify via points and a third team qualifies by winning world champs, which two teams would you send to the Olympics? This might have happened for Brazil last time. Plus, they also had host country auto entry. So Agatha/Barbara won World Champs. Alison/Bruno as well. Then host country quota went to Larissa/Talita and Evandro/Pedro. But how many more Brazilian teams made the top 15?
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Post by goldengirlsx3 on May 28, 2019 19:24:17 GMT -5
Team who won World Champs and team who has more points in rankings. That’s what USAV would do. The top 2 teams in terms of points that qualified. I would be curious to know what would happen if a team wins the auto bid tournament, and then doesn't even play in the required amount of tournaments to be eligible? FIVB recognizes Federation bids, and not individual team bids. The teams that qualified in points unless the 3rd team won the WChamps and were named Kerri & Brooke. Sorry, I know I’m a little biased...😂 Seriously, the only USA team I think has a realistic chance to win the WChamps is the ATeam. They have proven that they can win a 4 & 5 star with a full field. I think you have to send the two teams with the most points. I think they need to figure out how to get that WC winner into the Olympics if it’s gonna be automatic bid no matter if a country has three teams there or not.
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