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Post by tamz on May 28, 2019 19:29:33 GMT -5
The top 2 teams in terms of points that qualified. I would be curious to know what would happen if a team wins the auto bid tournament, and then doesn't even play in the required amount of tournaments to be eligible? FIVB recognizes Federation bids, and not individual team bids. The team teams that qualified in points unless the 3rd team won the WChamps and were named Kerri & Brooke. Sorry, I know I’m a little biased...😂 Seriously, the only USA team I think has a realistic chance to win the WChamps is the ATeam. They have proven that they can win a 4 & 5 star with a full field. I would say this week’s event is more of a full field. Beach Major Series reported 43 of the 48 teams in World Champs are playing in Ostrava this week (including the qualifier teams). |
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Post by ajm on May 28, 2019 19:31:40 GMT -5
Team who won World Champs and team who has more points in rankings. That’s what USAV would do. The top 2 teams in terms of points that qualified. I would be curious to know what would happen if a team wins the auto bid tournament, and then doesn't even play in the required amount of tournaments to be eligible? FIVB recognizes Federation bids, and not individual team bids. Probably depends on why they didn’t play enough tournaments. If one player got injured but had healed up in time for the Olympics, I’d probably give them the spot. I tend to think the auto bid team should get priority over the points teams (after all, what is the point of having an auto bid event if you’re going to ignore it) but I can also envision scenarios where taking the points teams would be a better option if it’s clear that the auto bid team is significantly weaker. |
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Post by haze on May 28, 2019 19:32:29 GMT -5
I wonder what would happen, hypothetically speaking, if A Team broke up, and KWJ Brooke break up. And the only team that qualifies via points is Ross/Hughes. But April and Kerri team up and win the auto bid. But they don't have the required 12 tournaments played to qualify, and USA has 2 qualifying spots with only 1 team (Summer/Sara) with the qualifying points. Do they send the next team down the list that has played in the required 12 tournaments, or would that make April and Kerri all of a sudden eligible even though they don't have the required tournaments played in?
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Post by tamz on May 28, 2019 19:44:30 GMT -5
I wonder what would happen, hypothetically speaking, if A Team broke up, and KWJ Brooke break up. And the only team that qualifies via points is Ross/Hughes. But April and Kerri team up and win the auto bid. But they don't have the required 12 tournaments played to qualify, and USA has 2 qualifying spots with only 1 team (Summer/Sara) with the qualifying points. Do they send the next team down the list that has played in the required 12 tournaments, or would that make April and Kerri all of a sudden eligible even though they don't have the required tournaments played in? We are being very hypothetical today 😂 beachmajorseries.com/en/2426/beach-volleyball-olympic-qualification-made-easyWhat if the World Champions split before the Olympics? Then the winning federation can pick which team they can send. The federation also has the power to select the two individual players themselves. And how are those places decided? Here’s where it gets a little bit more complex. Firstly, the top 15 highest men’s and 15 highest women’s teams in the Olympic Rankings as of June 15, 2020 will earn a ticket to Tokyo. These teams’ points are based on their performances at the World Championships, on the FIVB World Tour and Continental Tour Finals, with teams earning points for their finishes in these tournaments. Teams, however, must have participated in a minimum of 12 tournaments between September 1, 2018 and June 14, 2020. |
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Post by tamz on May 28, 2019 19:47:35 GMT -5
There’s also the FIVB Beach Volleyball Olympic Qualification Tournament in Haiyang, China where the top 16 teams play off. The two finalists get a bid for their national federation.
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Post by wang pu on May 28, 2019 19:50:07 GMT -5
I would be more concerned about Kerri or Brookes shoulder going out then I would Klineman testing positive again, especially considering her circumstance. The only way the Larson/Stockman hypothetical would come into play IMHO is if USA didn't already have 2 teams that qualified via points, which I can't see happening. Remember Hyden and Bourne actually qualified for the last Olympics via points, but couldn't go because of country quota. If Larson/Stockman situation, and USA didn't have 2 teams qualify via points, then I would hope USA would send Larson/Stockman with that auto bid, because they were the ones who I earned it. i think USA would do that too. So if two teams qualify via points and a third team qualifies by winning world champs, which two teams would you send to the Olympics? Teams with the highest points. They consistently did better than the team that won WC (even with the WC points being so much greater). |
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Post by graham on May 28, 2019 20:10:10 GMT -5
I wonder what would happen, hypothetically speaking, if A Team broke up, and KWJ Brooke break up. And the only team that qualifies via points is Ross/Hughes. But April and Kerri team up and win the auto bid. But they don't have the required 12 tournaments played to qualify, and USA has 2 qualifying spots with only 1 team (Summer/Sara) with the qualifying points. Do they send the next team down the list that has played in the required 12 tournaments, or would that make April and Kerri all of a sudden eligible even though they don't have the required tournaments played in? All bids are awarded to the NOC, and the NOC can choose any player from its top 12 players who have played in at least 12 tournaments, regardless of partner. ALL players must play in at least 12 FIVB tournaments to be eligible for the Olympics, doesn't matter how many different partners they have. The "Two players must play as a team in at least 12 tournaments" stipulation only comes into play for determining the bids awarded via the final Olympic Ranking List. Again, at that point the bids are awarded to the NOC and they can pick anyone they want from their top 12 players who have played in 12 tournaments, regardless of partner. So if KWJ/BS play 12 tournaments together and A Team play 12 tournaments together but then they all split, all four players have met the 12 tournament requirement and USAV would be able to choose any combination of players for the bids that have been earned, regardless of how the bid was earned. |
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on May 29, 2019 1:09:30 GMT -5
I wonder what would happen, hypothetically speaking, if A Team broke up, and KWJ Brooke break up. And the only team that qualifies via points is Ross/Hughes. But April and Kerri team up and win the auto bid. But they don't have the required 12 tournaments played to qualify, and USA has 2 qualifying spots with only 1 team (Summer/Sara) with the qualifying points. Do they send the next team down the list that has played in the required 12 tournaments, or would that make April and Kerri all of a sudden eligible even though they don't have the required tournaments played in? You have way too much free time on your hands. |
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Post by guest2 on May 29, 2019 2:28:56 GMT -5
Think KWJ/Brooke have more room for improvement. Based on the recent finals match, I though KWJ was the one that could improve some more 1) Anytime she served, Aussies were going on 2 before KWJ could get to the net and it was easy points. She will need to address that otherwise, good serve receive teams are going to torch her serve and the only point opportunities will come on Brooke's serve. Either a different serve that makes it harder to 2-ball, maybe hubby/wife serve down deep middle, or a high lollipop serve to a back corner that gives KWJ time to get to the net...but room for improvement and point scoring opportunities 2) KWJ setting: I felt that her setting of Brooke could be a tad better. I realize Brooke's window is small but I felt that KWJ had a few sets that were just 2-3 feet too far back putting more pressure on Brooke to come up with a higher degree of difficulty shot 3) KWJ needs to go on 2 more, Brook's serve receive passing was $$$ and there were a few 2 ball opportunities that KWJ did not take and instead set Brooke. Take the ez point. Will be an interesting race for the Olympics. Seems to be a 3-team race if KWJ/Brooke keep rolling. My bet is that 2S will be on the outside looking in as Summer's presence at the net is not near the same as KWJ/Alix and that just might difference in a few results which lead to qualifying points. Hopefully everyone stays healthy in order for an exciting race to Tokyo. The first point is valid but only in regard to a few teams. Both Aussie and Brazil had right siders who are great at hitting 2 balls, which is far from the norm. This is a fairly easy adjustment though and, as Randy Stoklos used to say, sprint to the net, dont jog (Kerri jogs too much) |
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Post by acrossthepond on May 29, 2019 3:07:25 GMT -5
So if two teams qualify via points and a third team qualifies by winning world champs, which two teams would you send to the Olympics? Teams with the highest points. They consistently did better than the team that won WC (even with the WC points being so much greater). You all seem to forget the time differences playing into this hypothetical decision. The World Champion will be crowned in July 2019. By then it is not written in stone (although it is very likely) that 2 US teams qualify for the Olympic games via rankings (this scenario is maybe more realistic on the Men's side). So there should be a definite decision rather shortly after the WC to also give the team that won the World Championship some clarity if they now have earned the Olympic qualification. Can you really imagine the Federation not granting an Olympic spot to the World Champions because one other team is ahead in the ranking for having more 3rd place finishes over the period of 1,5 years instead of winning the real big tournaments and delivering when it counts? |
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Post by guest2 on May 29, 2019 4:01:04 GMT -5
Teams with the highest points. They consistently did better than the team that won WC (even with the WC points being so much greater). You all seem to forget the time differences playing into this hypothetical decision. The World Champion will be crowned in July 2019. By then it is not written in stone (although it is very likely) that 2 US teams qualify for the Olympic games via rankings (this scenario is maybe more realistic on the Men's side). So there should be a definite decision rather shortly after the WC to also give the team that won the World Championship some clarity if they now have earned the Olympic qualification. Can you really imagine the Federation not granting an Olympic spot to the World Champions because one other team is ahead in the ranking for having more 3rd place finishes over the period of 1,5 years instead of winning the real big tournaments and delivering when it counts? On the women's side its written in stone. We'll have two in the rankings and if it werent for the FIVB, both the US and Brazil would probably have 5 |
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Post by trianglevolleyball on May 29, 2019 6:24:22 GMT -5
You all seem to forget the time differences playing into this hypothetical decision. The World Champion will be crowned in July 2019. By then it is not written in stone (although it is very likely) that 2 US teams qualify for the Olympic games via rankings (this scenario is maybe more realistic on the Men's side). So there should be a definite decision rather shortly after the WC to also give the team that won the World Championship some clarity if they now have earned the Olympic qualification. Can you really imagine the Federation not granting an Olympic spot to the World Champions because one other team is ahead in the ranking for having more 3rd place finishes over the period of 1,5 years instead of winning the real big tournaments and delivering when it counts? On the women's side its written in stone. We'll have two in the rankings and if it werent for the FIVB, both the US and Brazil would probably have 5 Sort of off topic but I’m wondering what you think about this. Do you mean US and Brazil would both have 5 top 15 teams if FIVB didn’t do anything to balance country representation, or 5 Olympic qualifiers each (top 24)? I’d agree with the latter came but the former seems a bit more extreme given how people were forecasting the end of American and Brazilian dominance a couple years ago. I assume you agree that the 2 Canadians, Australia, and The Czech are all top 15 teams, which would leave space for just 1 more if Brazil and US each have 5. Are Claes/Sponcil, Larsen/Stockman, and Barbara/Fernanda really better than every European team outside of the Czech? Granted, some of the issues for the European nations are partnering based, but I think if correctly aligned and healthy, Germany has 2 top 15 teams, the Swiss have 1 (the small from Swiss 1 + Joana), and the Dutch have at least one. I’m wondering if we’re overestimating the US 4 and 5 teams based off of early success and good draws, there are still a ton of talented European players who have won golds but currently aren’t in their best shape/partnerships. |
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Post by wang pu on May 29, 2019 10:52:05 GMT -5
Teams with the highest points. They consistently did better than the team that won WC (even with the WC points being so much greater). You all seem to forget the time differences playing into this hypothetical decision. The World Champion will be crowned in July 2019. By then it is not written in stone (although it is very likely) that 2 US teams qualify for the Olympic games via rankings (this scenario is maybe more realistic on the Men's side). So there should be a definite decision rather shortly after the WC to also give the team that won the World Championship some clarity if they now have earned the Olympic qualification. Can you really imagine the Federation not granting an Olympic spot to the World Champions because one other team is ahead in the ranking for having more 3rd place finishes over the period of 1,5 years instead of winning the real big tournaments and delivering when it counts? I see your point. What if 2S wins the WC this year and ATeam finishes 17th in the WC? At the end of Olympic Qualification, ATeam is the #1 ranked US team, followed by KWJ/BS, and then 2S. I cannot see the USA sending 2S to the Olympics because they did great in one tournament the year before the Olympics. That is my thinking, anyway. It would be great to see a US team win the WC, tho. |
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Post by goldengirlsx3 on May 29, 2019 10:56:56 GMT -5
You all seem to forget the time differences playing into this hypothetical decision. The World Champion will be crowned in July 2019. By then it is not written in stone (although it is very likely) that 2 US teams qualify for the Olympic games via rankings (this scenario is maybe more realistic on the Men's side). So there should be a definite decision rather shortly after the WC to also give the team that won the World Championship some clarity if they now have earned the Olympic qualification. Can you really imagine the Federation not granting an Olympic spot to the World Champions because one other team is ahead in the ranking for having more 3rd place finishes over the period of 1,5 years instead of winning the real big tournaments and delivering when it counts? I see your point. What if 2S wins the WC this year and ATeam finishes 17th in the WC? At the end of Olympic Qualification, ATeam is the #1 ranked US team, followed by KWJ/BS, and then 2S. I cannot see the USA sending 2S to the Olympics because they did great in one tournament the year before the Olympics. That is my thinking, anyway. It would be great to see a US team win the WC, tho. I think the ATeam has a darn good shot to win the WC’s!!! |
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Post by guest2 on May 29, 2019 11:13:48 GMT -5
On the women's side its written in stone. We'll have two in the rankings and if it werent for the FIVB, both the US and Brazil would probably have 5 Sort of off topic but I’m wondering what you think about this. Do you mean US and Brazil would both have 5 top 15 teams if FIVB didn’t do anything to balance country representation, or 5 Olympic qualifiers each (top 24)? I’d agree with the latter came but the former seems a bit more extreme given how people were forecasting the end of American and Brazilian dominance a couple years ago. I assume you agree that the 2 Canadians, Australia, and The Czech are all top 15 teams, which would leave space for just 1 more if Brazil and US each have 5. Are Claes/Sponcil, Larsen/Stockman, and Barbara/Fernanda really better than every European team outside of the Czech? Granted, some of the issues for the European nations are partnering based, but I think if correctly aligned and healthy, Germany has 2 top 15 teams, the Swiss have 1 (the small from Swiss 1 + Joana), and the Dutch have at least one. I’m wondering if we’re overestimating the US 4 and 5 teams based off of early success and good draws, there are still a ton of talented European players who have won golds but currently aren’t in their best shape/partnerships. I meant 5 Olympic qualifiers each, which I think means 24. Top 15, I think you are right that if Europe sorts out its issues they have a decent number of teams in there. I think in that scenario, Brazil probably still has 5, but we would likely have 3. Germany's top 2 and maybe 3 and 4 -if their teams sort out - are better than Sponcil/Claes and Starsen, as are Joanna if she ever makes a move and maybe Anouk and someone if she goes back to blocking. Maybe 1 Dutch team also. I hadnt thought of it that way, but you are absolutely right that Europe is basically a big partnership mess now and I would say the top 7-8 Euro players, excepting the Czechs, are with sub-optimal partners |
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