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Post by n00b on Jan 24, 2019 18:02:31 GMT -5
There has been some mis-information here about the proposals being discussed in April. web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/proposalView?id=103278Highlights: Phone calls (outgoing OR incoming) and emails can begin June 15th after their sophomore year. Off-campus contacts, official and unofficial visits can begin August 1 of PSA's junior year. Direct quote: "An athletics department staff member shall not, directly or indirectly, provide an individual an oral offer (or indicate that an offer will or may be made) of athletically related financial aid, other institutional financial aid, admission to the institution or as a member of an intercollegiate team before August 1 at the beginning of the individual's junior year in high school." |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 18:51:35 GMT -5
oh c'mon, lighten up. Russ and Hugh were standing right behind him. better now? In the meantime Hambly is doing a cologne commercial. It's like I always tell people when I am polishing my mask and helmet. If you've got it, flaunt it |
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Post by rodbcantu on Jan 24, 2019 20:04:59 GMT -5
Nobody posted where she’s going! Where did she commit to?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 20:31:42 GMT -5
Nobody posted where she’s going! Where did she commit to? the 7 month old fetus? She has not decided but is overwhelmed from Hugh, Russ and John calling every day telling her that if she does not commit soon, they will have to move on to the 6'3" pregnant, NBA player's wife that is "itching" to take the place they are holding. |
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Post by bayarea on Jan 24, 2019 20:32:31 GMT -5
Nobody posted where she’s going! Where did she commit to? BYU. 6'2" OH. |
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Post by holidayhusker on Jan 24, 2019 20:59:33 GMT -5
In the meantime Hambly is doing a cologne commercial. It's like I always tell people when I am polishing my mask and helmet. If you've got it, flaunt it LOL...I agree. He does look like he should be in a cologne commercial. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 24, 2019 22:02:00 GMT -5
Direct quote: "An athletics department staff member shall not, directly or indirectly, provide an individual an oral offer (or indicate that an offer will or may be made) of athletically related financial aid, other institutional financial aid, admission to the institution or as a member of an intercollegiate team before August 1 at the beginning of the individual's junior year in high school." Oh, okay. Probably means that "offers" will become "reservations" on a recruiting list, contingent on performance, but with no aid actually promised, and "verbals" will be silent. |
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Post by Not Me on Jan 25, 2019 16:44:41 GMT -5
There has been some mis-information here about the proposals being discussed in April. web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/proposalView?id=103278Highlights: Phone calls (outgoing OR incoming) and emails can begin June 15th after their sophomore year. Off-campus contacts, official and unofficial visits can begin August 1 of PSA's junior year. Direct quote: "An athletics department staff member shall not, directly or indirectly, provide an individual an oral offer (or indicate that an offer will or may be made) of athletically related financial aid, other institutional financial aid, admission to the institution or as a member of an intercollegiate team before August 1 at the beginning of the individual's junior year in high school." Question: The rules used to only apply to a PSA which was defined as a student in high school. Is that still the case? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 18:15:58 GMT -5
There has been some mis-information here about the proposals being discussed in April. web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/proposalView?id=103278Highlights: Phone calls (outgoing OR incoming) and emails can begin June 15th after their sophomore year. Off-campus contacts, official and unofficial visits can begin August 1 of PSA's junior year. Direct quote: "An athletics department staff member shall not, directly or indirectly, provide an individual an oral offer (or indicate that an offer will or may be made) of athletically related financial aid, other institutional financial aid, admission to the institution or as a member of an intercollegiate team before August 1 at the beginning of the individual's junior year in high school." Question: The rules used to only apply to a PSA which was defined as a student in high school. Is that still the case? This is an interesting question, would there be a "barbell" recruiting approach?: Grade 7/8 wide open, Grade 9, 10 (until summer after sophomore) CLOSED, Junior/Senior wide open... That is not how I read the proposal. My understanding was that it closed all discussions, including non PSAs (or kids that have not taken their first high school class) until June 15 of the year the student was to enter Junior year of high school. |
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Post by breakoutsports on Jan 25, 2019 23:28:38 GMT -5
Whether or not schools guess correctly on extremely young recruits is one thing—what about the kids though? It can’t be healthy for a 13yo kid to be deciding where they will live/study/play from the ages of 18-21
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Post by n00b on Jan 26, 2019 8:50:13 GMT -5
Whether or not schools guess correctly on extremely young recruits is one thing—what about the kids though? It can’t be healthy for a 13yo kid to be deciding where they will live/study/play from the ages of 18-21 Why not? With the few data points we have on this it seems to have worked out well. (Only the Rolfzens come to mind) |
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Post by n00b on Jan 26, 2019 11:57:47 GMT -5
Why not? With the few data points we have on this it seems to have worked out well. (Only the Rolfzens come to mind) The question wasn't whether Nebraska (who recently jettisoned yet another early recruiting "miss") had successfully navigated early recruiting for it's advantage, the question was is it healthy for the kids. The Student Athlete Experience committee issued an emphatic "no it's not" with these proposed changes. Coaches have been working for years on a way to limit early recruiting without much success. That is partially because they are entrenched in it and partially because a number of prominent coaches benefit from it so will pay proper lip service but don't really want it fixed. I've seen up close what early recruiting does to girls, parents, teammates, girls on rival teams, club coaches, etc. It is a hot mess and causes a ton of problems. I know you don't care about any of that, because the Rolfzens did ok and Nebraska benefited. Wow. First time I've ever been accused of being a Nebraska fan. The recruiting process is stressful no matter what. My perspective as a club coach is that the new recruiting proposals (while well-intentioned) will make the process more stressful. The window for getting to know coaches, visiting campuses, and really exploring what your options are is going to be dramatically slashed. Kids will be pressured to pay for camps instead of taking free unofficial (or official) visits before their junior year. And once September hits, there will be extra pressure to take visits and potentially miss high school matches (and class). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 13:05:31 GMT -5
The question wasn't whether Nebraska (who recently jettisoned yet another early recruiting "miss") had successfully navigated early recruiting for it's advantage, the question was is it healthy for the kids. The Student Athlete Experience committee issued an emphatic "no it's not" with these proposed changes. Coaches have been working for years on a way to limit early recruiting without much success. That is partially because they are entrenched in it and partially because a number of prominent coaches benefit from it so will pay proper lip service but don't really want it fixed. I've seen up close what early recruiting does to girls, parents, teammates, girls on rival teams, club coaches, etc. It is a hot mess and causes a ton of problems. I know you don't care about any of that, because the Rolfzens did ok and Nebraska benefited. Wow. First time I've ever been accused of being a Nebraska fan. The recruiting process is stressful no matter what. My perspective as a club coach is that the new recruiting proposals (while well-intentioned) will make the process more stressful. The window for getting to know coaches, visiting campuses, and really exploring what your options are is going to be dramatically slashed. Kids will be pressured to pay for camps instead of taking free unofficial (or official) visits before their junior year. And once September hits, there will be extra pressure to take visits and potentially miss high school matches (and class). There would seem to be a tradeoff, for sure. I would say I lean toward it being better to let the 7th or 8th grader turn into a freshman, sophomore and junior before they decide where to go to college. They are much further advanced toward who they will be come college than they are as a 12 year old. |
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Post by n00b on Jan 26, 2019 15:08:11 GMT -5
Wow. First time I've ever been accused of being a Nebraska fan. The recruiting process is stressful no matter what. My perspective as a club coach is that the new recruiting proposals (while well-intentioned) will make the process more stressful. The window for getting to know coaches, visiting campuses, and really exploring what your options are is going to be dramatically slashed. Kids will be pressured to pay for camps instead of taking free unofficial (or official) visits before their junior year. And once September hits, there will be extra pressure to take visits and potentially miss high school matches (and class). Let's get this straight. Your opinion is based on your view that: 11th grade is actually much earlier in time than 8th grade. The length of time between the end of 7th grade until the beginning of 9th grade is actually much longer than the length of time between the end of 10th grade and the beginning of 12th grade. 8th graders are much better equipped to decide which school to attend than 11th graders, and deal with the stress of meeting and getting to know college coaches and handling the relationship with their teammates better. 7th, 8th and 9th graders don't spend money to go to camps, but 11th and 12th graders will. As a club coach you are deeply concerned with missing class for a recruiting trip in fall of 11th grade, but have no issue with the 5 trips every spring missing 1 to 2 class days each for club tourneys for 5 or 6 years. You live in a fundamentally different world than me with different laws of time, so we will never agree on this. I don't know your rooting interest, just that you have used the Rolfzens as your example multiple times. Well, I literally said none of those things. But sure. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 26, 2019 15:41:05 GMT -5
There will be cheaters, and some high profile ones. My concern is that early recruiting will simply be driven underground: third-party contacts, secret offers, silent verbals. Total blackout. No transparency. How will that benefit student-athletes?
I'd rather see the NCAA authorize early offers (before the end of 10th grade, but following 8th grade), but only if they are accompanied by a contractually binding offer of aid. Don't want to put your money where your mouth is? Then, just don't offer. Have a secret offer without any real money attached to it? Then, just say no ("Where's the beef?").
Publish all offers and commitments on a publicly available registry. Offers can have time limits. Commitments become final at start of 11th grade, unless the prospect opts out earlier. Allow free official visits starting in 10th grade, but limit their number.
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