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Post by bruinsgold on Jul 4, 2019 10:40:56 GMT -5
Sorry if I missed it, but has there been a release about what Bailey's injury is?
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Post by MonicaGeller on Jul 4, 2019 11:47:11 GMT -5
Sorry if I missed it, but has there been a release about what Bailey's injury is? Crickets 🦗
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Post by bkedane on Jul 5, 2019 13:50:36 GMT -5
Has Georgia improved much?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 14:16:55 GMT -5
Has Georgia improved much? As compared to what? I think Georgia has improved from where it was since Coach Black took over. Have they improved from last year? Not according to the pre season poll. I think expectations that they would be one of the top tier teams in the SEC by now or at least trending that way got derailed last year with their top player transferring and some puzzling losses. This season will tell a lot and give an indication about the coaching staff's ability to right the ship. Very capable people there so if it can be done........
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Post by Wolfgang on Jul 5, 2019 14:37:38 GMT -5
Tom Black has been at Georgia for only ONE year so, you know, not much data.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 18:40:15 GMT -5
Tom Black has been at Georgia for only ONE year so, you know, not much data. Tom Black has been at Georgia for two years and the data is what it is but I agree not a large sampling.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jul 5, 2019 18:43:53 GMT -5
How did I miss an entire year? Did I accidentally press the "Skip one year" button?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 18:48:00 GMT -5
How did I miss an entire year? Did I accidentally press the "Skip one year" button? I hear you, that's been happening to me in my daily life much more frequently. I just write it off to time flying because I'm having such a good time.
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Post by Curryforthree on Jul 5, 2019 19:15:33 GMT -5
The Pan Am Cup starts soon. Can Canada keep it rolling without Bailey?
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Post by newbeach on Jul 5, 2019 20:39:22 GMT -5
The Pan Am Cup starts soon. Can Canada keep it rolling without Bailey? I think it will be tough. Canada doesn't really have any outsides that can replace Autumn. The team is bringing Marie-Alex Belanger to Peru. I don't see Marie-Alex or Kyla Richey filling in her shoes and they aren't improving the defense/passing either by not sending Beamish or Chase. I thought Mitrovic did okay but seemed to lack experience or confidence. It would be great if she can step up. Canada will have to continue to use their middles Maglio and Cross to help out Gray and Van Ryk with offensive production. Canada also has a tough pool with the Dominican Republic, Argentina, Peru etc.
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Post by newbeach on Jul 5, 2019 20:51:14 GMT -5
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Post by newbeach on Jul 18, 2019 12:55:31 GMT -5
Canada is not sending the "A" Team to this year's Pan American Games. The Pan American Roster just out today:
The athletes and coaches selected are: Brianna Beamish (Surrey, B.C.) Megan Beedie (Cambridge, Ont.) Megan Cyr (St. Andrews, Man.) Sarah Chase (Campbell River, B.C.) Hilary Howe (Calgary, Alta.) Sara Kovac (Niagara Falls, Ont.) Kristen Moncks (Standard, Alta.) Alicia Ogoms (Winnipeg, Man.) Kim Robitaille (Repentigny, Que.) Lauren Sproule (Lethbridge, Alta.) Layne Van Buskirk (Windsor, Ont.) Jazmine White (Oshawa, Ont.)
Shannon Winzer (Port Coquitlam, B.C.) – Head Coach Ryan Hofer (Langley, B.C.) – Assistant Coach
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Post by newbeach on Jul 18, 2019 13:29:11 GMT -5
I am more than a little disappointed with the decision to send the Canadian "B" team (with the exception of Ogoms and perhaps if Cyr is still considered A Team).
Is this mainly because Tom Black's commitment with Georgia?
Most teams including Dominican Republic, Peru, Colombia (all in Canada's pool) will be sending their "A-Team". The Pan American Games is a much bigger deal to most of these teams than the Pan Am Cup. Furthermore, I know several A-Team players who wanted to go to it and have the experience (because it is a pretty special experience similar to the Olympics and Commonwealth Games).
The Dominican Republic, USA, Brazil, Argentina etc. all have Olympic Qualifying August 2-4th as well, so that is not an excuse for Canada.
The US is sending almost an identical roster that they sent to the Pan Am Cup with a few additions/deletions (e.g RJP for SWP, Rhamat Alhassan for Adams, SSS for Hancock etc.). Players like Tapp, Rolfzen, Cuttino, Rosenthal etc. are on both rosters.
I get Canada needs to develop the NextGen players, but at what expense to our A-Team? Are they are developing the B-Team on the A-Team budget? Trying to develop both teams in one season?
The team may have had an outside chance to go to the Olympic, but that is what many of these players were striving for. Winning in Russia might be a tall order, but they would still have a chance to play a qualifier in January (against likely Dominican Republic who is in their pool at the Pan Am Games). Every chance to play international games is what is going to develop the core of players on the A-Team. It is a missed opportunity now. There are players like Maglio who never played an international game before last year. This is only her second year and she needs to play at every opportunity so she can develop (much like Hannah Tapp is given the opportunities for USA). Or Mitrovic, playing her first international season. Some players like Kiera Van Ryk are young and had some international experience as a junior, but would still benefit from every international cap they get (along with Joseph, and I would have said Bailey as well).
At the very least, I would rather see a core of our top team and perhaps change out for a few B-Team players to see how they respond at the international level with the A-Team (Chase, Beamish, Van Buskirk) etc.
And "being tired" is not an excuse. I know some of the younger players have energy to burn and want the experience. That is why they are part of the National Team. Several of the more experienced players as well, are playing for the opportunities and experience (as we know it is not for $). The Pan Am Games are more of a "reward" for being on the A-Team (instead, it is a reward for the B-Team). I would rather the B-Team strive for these "rewards " (and make the A-Team next year). The A-Team needs incentive for playing on the National Team as well. Having a possibility of making the Olympics are what a lot of the girls are striving for and for some this may be their only chance. It is no wonder, that Canada doesn't always field their best players and why some players don't think it is "worth" it to play on the National Team and just play pro (or take the summer off).
The A-Team needs to be taking advantage of every opportunity they can in order to get better and grow the program. Or, is the mandate to forget about 2020 and work toward 2024? If so, tell the players and see how many would have committed this year or next. Tell the Team that they are more concerned about developing the NextGen players.
I understand Olympics is a long-shot, but it is also within their reach especially if given the opportunities to play as a team and to gel. I know many will disagree with me, but I am not happy with the decisions being made. Again, if it were not for Tom Black's commitments to Georgia for summer camp, why not send the A-Team to the Challenger Cup, then they could have flown home, and the B-Team flown to the Pan Am Cup (which meant nothing this year) and then sent the A-Team to the Pan Am Games? The cost would have been exactly the same.
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Post by MonicaGeller on Jul 18, 2019 13:59:27 GMT -5
I am more than a little disappointed with the decision to send the Canadian "B" team (with the exception of Ogoms and perhaps if Cyr is still considered A Team). Is this mainly because Tom Black's commitment with Georgia? Most teams including Dominican Republic, Peru, Colombia (all in Canada's pool) will be sending their "A-Team". The Pan American Games is a much bigger deal to most of these teams than the Pan Am Cup. Furthermore, I know several A-Team players who wanted to go to it and have the experience (because it is a pretty special experience similar to the Olympics and Commonwealth Games). The Dominican Republic, USA, Brazil, Argentina etc. all have Olympic Qualifying August 2-4th as well, so that is not an excuse for Canada. The US is sending almost an identical roster that they sent to the Pan Am Cup with a few additions/deletions (e.g RJP for SWP, Rhamat Alhassan for Adams, SSS for Hancock etc.). Players like Tapp, Rolfzen, Cuttino, Rosenthal etc. are on both rosters. I get Canada needs to develop the NextGen players, but at what expense to our A-Team? Are they are developing the B-Team on the A-Team budget? Trying to develop both teams in one season? The team may have had an outside chance to go to the Olympic, but that is what many of these players were striving for. Winning in Russia might be a tall order, but they would still have a chance to play a qualifier in January (against likely Dominican Republic who is in their pool at the Pan Am Games). Every chance to play international games is what is going to develop the core of players on the A-Team. It is a missed opportunity now. There are players like Maglio who never played an international game before last year. This is only her second year and she needs to play at every opportunity so she can develop (much like Hannah Tapp is given the opportunities for USA). Or Mitrovic, playing her first international season. Some players like Kiera Van Ryk are young and had some international experience as a junior, but would still benefit from every international cap they get (along with Joseph, and I would have said Bailey as well). At the very least, I would rather see a core of our top team and perhaps change out for a few B-Team players to see how they respond at the international level with the A-Team (Chase, Beamish, Van Buskirk) etc. And "being tired" is not an excuse. I know some of the younger players have energy to burn and want the experience. That is why they are part of the National Team. Several of the more experienced players as well, are playing for the opportunities and experience (as we know it is not for $). The Pan Am Games are more of a "reward" for being on the A-Team (instead, it is a reward for the B-Team). I would rather the B-Team strive for these "rewards " (and make the A-Team next year). The A-Team needs incentive for playing on the National Team as well. Having a possibility of making the Olympics are what a lot of the girls are striving for and for some this may be their only chance. It is no wonder, that Canada doesn't always field their best players and why some players don't think it is "worth" it to play on the National Team and just play pro (or take the summer off). The A-Team needs to be taking advantage of every opportunity they can in order to get better and grow the program. Or, is the mandate to forget about 2020 and work toward 2024? If so, tell the players and see how many would have committed this year or next. Tell the Team that they are more concerned about developing the NextGen players. I understand Olympics is a long-shot, but it is also within their reach especially if given the opportunities to play as a team and to gel. I know many will disagree with me, but I am not happy with the decisions being made. Again, if it were not for Tom Black's commitments to Georgia for summer camp, why not send the A-Team to the Challenger Cup, then they could have flown home, and the B-Team flown to the Pan Am Cup (which meant nothing this year) and then sent the A-Team to the Pan Am Games? The cost would have been exactly the same. Correct me if I am wrong, but the only athletes officially on the NextGen Team on the posted roster are Beamish, Howe and Sproule. All the other athletes are on the A team but may have not gotten an opportunity to play or travel this year. I agree with you that the A team needs and will Benefit from the experience, but most of these athletes are not NextGen players. I agree they should have flipped the teams after the Challenger cup and sent the B Team for the Pan Am cup.
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Post by newbeach on Jul 18, 2019 14:12:33 GMT -5
I am more than a little disappointed with the decision to send the Canadian "B" team (with the exception of Ogoms and perhaps if Cyr is still considered A Team). Is this mainly because Tom Black's commitment with Georgia? Most teams including Dominican Republic, Peru, Colombia (all in Canada's pool) will be sending their "A-Team". The Pan American Games is a much bigger deal to most of these teams than the Pan Am Cup. Furthermore, I know several A-Team players who wanted to go to it and have the experience (because it is a pretty special experience similar to the Olympics and Commonwealth Games). The Dominican Republic, USA, Brazil, Argentina etc. all have Olympic Qualifying August 2-4th as well, so that is not an excuse for Canada. The US is sending almost an identical roster that they sent to the Pan Am Cup with a few additions/deletions (e.g RJP for SWP, Rhamat Alhassan for Adams, SSS for Hancock etc.). Players like Tapp, Rolfzen, Cuttino, Rosenthal etc. are on both rosters. I get Canada needs to develop the NextGen players, but at what expense to our A-Team? Are they are developing the B-Team on the A-Team budget? Trying to develop both teams in one season? The team may have had an outside chance to go to the Olympic, but that is what many of these players were striving for. Winning in Russia might be a tall order, but they would still have a chance to play a qualifier in January (against likely Dominican Republic who is in their pool at the Pan Am Games). Every chance to play international games is what is going to develop the core of players on the A-Team. It is a missed opportunity now. There are players like Maglio who never played an international game before last year. This is only her second year and she needs to play at every opportunity so she can develop (much like Hannah Tapp is given the opportunities for USA). Or Mitrovic, playing her first international season. Some players like Kiera Van Ryk are young and had some international experience as a junior, but would still benefit from every international cap they get (along with Joseph, and I would have said Bailey as well). At the very least, I would rather see a core of our top team and perhaps change out for a few B-Team players to see how they respond at the international level with the A-Team (Chase, Beamish, Van Buskirk) etc. And "being tired" is not an excuse. I know some of the younger players have energy to burn and want the experience. That is why they are part of the National Team. Several of the more experienced players as well, are playing for the opportunities and experience (as we know it is not for $). The Pan Am Games are more of a "reward" for being on the A-Team (instead, it is a reward for the B-Team). I would rather the B-Team strive for these "rewards " (and make the A-Team next year). The A-Team needs incentive for playing on the National Team as well. Having a possibility of making the Olympics are what a lot of the girls are striving for and for some this may be their only chance. It is no wonder, that Canada doesn't always field their best players and why some players don't think it is "worth" it to play on the National Team and just play pro (or take the summer off). The A-Team needs to be taking advantage of every opportunity they can in order to get better and grow the program. Or, is the mandate to forget about 2020 and work toward 2024? If so, tell the players and see how many would have committed this year or next. Tell the Team that they are more concerned about developing the NextGen players. I understand Olympics is a long-shot, but it is also within their reach especially if given the opportunities to play as a team and to gel. I know many will disagree with me, but I am not happy with the decisions being made. Again, if it were not for Tom Black's commitments to Georgia for summer camp, why not send the A-Team to the Challenger Cup, then they could have flown home, and the B-Team flown to the Pan Am Cup (which meant nothing this year) and then sent the A-Team to the Pan Am Games? The cost would have been exactly the same. Correct me if I am wrong, but the only athletes officially on the NextGen Team on the posted roster are Beamish, Howe and Sproule. All the other athletes are on the A team but may have not gotten an opportunity to play or travel this year. I agree with you that the A team needs and will Benefit from the experience, but most of these athletes are not NextGen players. I agree they should have flipped the teams after the Challenger cup and sent the B Team for the Pan Am cup. Also Kovac, Beedie, and White, along with the coaching staff (in addition to Beamish, Howe, Sproule). I used "NextGen" as a more general term. Sarah Chase, Van Buskirk etc. are likely Canada's "next generation" of players (along with other "A" Team who have not made the travel squad). Call me crazy, but Canada qualifying for the Olympics (2020) would have been special. Canada finishing 6th at the Pan Am Cup is not. I think the team with Bailey had much potential after watching them in Japan last season. They had the potential to be a spoiler if teams didn't bring a decent squad to play them or didn't take them seriously. I'd just like to see this team (and if that means the 12-14 traveling roster, than so be it), get the best opportunities to put Canada in a position to progress this year and next. By doing so, it only helps the program overall. While it is hard, if not impossible to replace a Bailey, I think Mitrovic could be something special with more international experience. If you want to hang with the best, you have to play plenty of the best competition. You have to give Maglio, Mitrovic, Van Ryk and Bailey as much experience as you can. Then with some of the older players and a core of younger players coming up, you will have a team that can compete. These younger "A-Team" players should have first opportunity to get better playing competition as it is a short summer season, really. It's like saying Maglio, Mitrovic, Van Ryk, Joseph (Bailey) are all ready good...they are on the A-Team (they've had a year or so of international experience), so they don't need further "development", give someone else a chance. Instead, they should be wanting to develop these players to be really good World Class players and not just decent Norceca players.
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