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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 3, 2019 19:52:51 GMT -5
Some questions:
1. The last NLI signing date is August 1, 2019. If the NLI is not signed by this date, does this mean the student cannot play in the 2019 season?
2. If the NLI is just for scholarship athletes, does this mean walk-ons can join and play with the team at any time? (Provided they’re students, I’m assuming.) Or is there some sort of deadline?
3. Assuming that in question #1 (above), the school can award athletic scholarships after Aug. 1 (and I believe you can because I’ve seen walk-ons get scholarships in the middle of the season), what differentiates this type of scholarship vs a scholarship awarded via NLI?
4. If a student has NOT registered for classes and it is past the school’s deadline for registration of classes, can she still join and play for a team? Is there some sort of exception?
5. For question #4 (above), can this student receive a scholarship for that semester?
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 3, 2019 20:04:59 GMT -5
(Reserved)
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Post by n00b on Apr 3, 2019 20:18:52 GMT -5
An NLI is an agreement that the student will spend one year at the university, and the university will provide one year of scholarship. So...
1. No, an athlete does not need to sign an NLI to be a part of a team.
2. A student can be added to the roster at any time, provided they are eligible (including being a full-time student at the university).
3. If a team has a scholarship available, it can be awarded to an athlete at any time. Not sure if or how it would work if the athlete already paid their tuition in full for the semester. I doubt they could just receive a reimbursement check for effectively double-paying their tuition. So that might limit things.
4. The athlete must be a full-time student (12 undergrad hours) to be eligible. If she can't register for classes, she can't be eligible.
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 3, 2019 20:53:37 GMT -5
So, a student who didn't commit to anyone for a variety of reasons (e.g., uncertainty, waiting for better offer) can register for classes on October 15, join and practice with the team on the same day, play in a match the following weekend, and get a scholarship for the entire semester?
(Addendum: I looked up some "last day to register for classes" dates and October 15 is not realistic.)
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Post by rblackley on Apr 4, 2019 7:54:52 GMT -5
And they have to have a ncaa number and cleared/ approved as an amature althlete.
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Post by n00b on Apr 4, 2019 8:54:14 GMT -5
So, a student who didn't commit to anyone for a variety of reasons (e.g., uncertainty, waiting for better offer) can register for classes on October 15, join and practice with the team on the same day, play in a match the following weekend, and get a scholarship for the entire semester? (Addendum: I looked up some "last day to register for classes" dates and October 15 is not realistic.) I believe so. Granted, that's an odd situation I've never seen happen, but I don't know of a rule that would prohibit it.
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Post by vballislife123 on Apr 4, 2019 9:45:25 GMT -5
So, a student who didn't commit to anyone for a variety of reasons (e.g., uncertainty, waiting for better offer) can register for classes on October 15, join and practice with the team on the same day, play in a match the following weekend, and get a scholarship for the entire semester? (Addendum: I looked up some "last day to register for classes" dates and October 15 is not realistic.) I believe so. Granted, that's an odd situation I've never seen happen, but I don't know of a rule that would prohibit it. And assuming that the team doesn't already have 12 receiving money (in D1 world).
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Post by sisyphus on Apr 4, 2019 9:46:29 GMT -5
And they have to have a ncaa number and cleared/ approved as an amature althlete. There's usually a process in place at Division I schools that involves compliance (eligibility), sports medicine (physical screening, etc.), and academics (enrolled, good academic standing). The student has to jump through those hoops before they can participate. With that said, the process can be streamlined and take one day if the student and the program have all their ducks in a row.
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Post by codigger on Apr 4, 2019 10:01:26 GMT -5
I've worked at several schools and the late admission policy is more of a school determined thing than an NCAA determined policy. Some schools have flexibility that allows for late admissions and for other schools, by late Spring you are out of luck.
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 4, 2019 10:13:24 GMT -5
Would any of the above change for a foreign (international) student (and student-athlete-to-be)?
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 4, 2019 12:11:43 GMT -5
Would any of the above change for a foreign (international) student (and student-athlete-to-be)? If the foreign student would be classified as an incoming freshman similar to the typical high school recruit, I don't believe the rules are any different. The difference likely will be that it would take the foreign student longer to get through the school application process and the NCAA Clearinghouse. So waiting late could result in delay in being cleared to participate.
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Post by sisyphus on Apr 4, 2019 13:08:55 GMT -5
Would any of the above change for a foreign (international) student (and student-athlete-to-be)? If the foreign student would be classified as an incoming freshman similar to the typical high school recruit, I don't believe the rules are any different. The difference likely will be that it would take the foreign student longer to get through the school application process and the NCAA Clearinghouse. So waiting late could result in delay in being cleared to participate. It increases the number of hoops to get through and how long it takes to get through them. Most large institutions have a separate part of admissions that handles international admissions. Evaluating transcripts is more complicated and takes longer, not only because of a potential language barrier. I think that the general rule is that the student is responsible for obtaining a certified English translation of their transcript. The Clearinghouse/compliance piece generally takes longer since most other countries have a very different set of relationships between athletics and academics.
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Post by azvb on Apr 4, 2019 13:18:08 GMT -5
If the foreign student would be classified as an incoming freshman similar to the typical high school recruit, I don't believe the rules are any different. The difference likely will be that it would take the foreign student longer to get through the school application process and the NCAA Clearinghouse. So waiting late could result in delay in being cleared to participate. It increases the number of hoops to get through and how long it takes to get through them. Most large institutions have a separate part of admissions that handles international admissions. Evaluating transcripts is more complicated and takes longer, not only because of a potential language barrier. I think that the general rule is that the student is responsible for obtaining a certified English translation of their transcript. The Clearinghouse/compliance piece generally takes longer since most other countries have a very different set of relationships between athletics and academics. Unless there is an AD over admissions who can pull strings, create/forge information, stuff like that. 😉😉😉
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 4, 2019 13:20:00 GMT -5
So, from my understanding, you get 5 years to play 4 years.
Also, it's my understanding that the clock starts to run as soon as you enroll in college. But I've also heard that the clock automatically starts one year from high school graduation (with exceptions for some sports like golf and tennis) if, for some reason, you didn't enroll before that time.
If, for some reason, the foreign student can't get her ducks in a row for her "natural" freshman year (due to all the extra hoops detailed above) and have to delay her start of American college for a year, it's my understanding she still gets her "5 years to play 4" right.
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Post by azvb on Apr 4, 2019 13:27:15 GMT -5
So, from my understanding, you get 5 years to play 4 years. Also, it's my understanding that the clock starts to run as soon as you enroll in college. But I've also heard that the clock automatically starts one year from high school graduation (with exceptions for some sports like golf and tennis) if, for some reason, you didn't enroll before that time. If, for some reason, the foreign student can't get her ducks in a row for her "natural" freshman year (due to all the extra hoops detailed above) and have to delay her start of American college for a year, it's my understanding she still gets her "5 years to play 4" right. I Believe the clock starts when you enroll full-time (12 credits). Example: Shawn Olmstead (BYU men’s coach) Age 18 -Enrolled in 11 credits for 2 semesters at a JC after high school. Age 19-21 Went on a mission. Age 21-22 Came home, redshirted Age 23 Freshman season
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