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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 12:43:57 GMT -5
I was wondering where Brienne (and Pod) were and then saw them in a still from the show. So many characters, some of the major ones were reduced to being scenery. They were behind Sansa when Jon and Dany arrived. I suspect a reunion between Brienne and Jamie is next Sunday.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 16, 2019 5:49:05 GMT -5
I do not enjoy the extended CGI zombie fights--like when we saw Hodor's demise, the debacle at Hard Home, or the turning of the dragon. Hodor's demise was one of the most moving scenes of the whole series. And it wasn't because of the CGI. It was because of the character development and just the way that we found out about just why Hodor was Hodor. If you are all anti-CGI, are you also anti-makeup/prosthetics/costumes and all other special effects? It was a fun scene but Hodor as a character did not develop at all. He was exactly the same when he died as he was when he debuted. They provided a brief backstory, thats not the same as character development.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 16, 2019 6:25:18 GMT -5
Hodor's demise was one of the most moving scenes of the whole series. And it wasn't because of the CGI. It was because of the character development and just the way that we found out about just why Hodor was Hodor. If you are all anti-CGI, are you also anti-makeup/prosthetics/costumes and all other special effects? It was a fun scene but Hodor as a character did not develop at all. He was exactly the same when he died as he was when he debuted. They provided a brief backstory, thats not the same as character development. I disagree. "Character development" can be how a character changes, but it can also be how the audience's understanding of the character changes. I suppose you could call that "character revelation" instead of development, but it has much of the same dramatic effect.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 16, 2019 6:28:12 GMT -5
It was a fun scene but Hodor as a character did not develop at all. He was exactly the same when he died as he was when he debuted. They provided a brief backstory, thats not the same as character development. I disagree. "Character development" can be how a character changes, but it can also be how the audience's understanding of the character changes. I suppose you could call that "character revelation" instead of development, but it has much of the same dramatic effect. Also Maisie Williams somehow became terrible between seasons (or maybe just a bad episode for her)
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 16, 2019 6:47:51 GMT -5
I disagree. "Character development" can be how a character changes, but it can also be how the audience's understanding of the character changes. I suppose you could call that "character revelation" instead of development, but it has much of the same dramatic effect. Also Maisie Williams somehow became terrible between seasons (or maybe just a bad episode for her) Bad episode, I think. They didn't give her anything to work with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 11:00:59 GMT -5
She had a good scene with The Hound. And I liked her scenes with Jon and Gendry. I also liked her recognition of herself in the kid climbing around.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 11:02:29 GMT -5
Poor Ned Umber. He was just a tot. What is the significance of the spirals? I read on random things that when set a light it resembles the Targaryan sigil.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 16, 2019 11:05:01 GMT -5
He's but a mere ember now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 11:17:10 GMT -5
Poor Ned Umber. He was just a tot. What is the significance of the spirals? I read on random things that when set a light it resembles the Targaryan sigil. It goes back to Season One, too. Is the Night King a Targaryen? I've lost track of their history -- the White Walkers, too.
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Post by jayj79 on Apr 16, 2019 16:46:09 GMT -5
Poor Ned Umber. He was just a tot. What is the significance of the spirals? I read on random things that when set a light it resembles the Targaryan sigil. It goes back to Season One, too. Is the Night King a Targaryen? I've lost track of their history -- the White Walkers, too. one of the Three-Eyed Raven visions showed that the Children of the Forest created the first white walker (might have even been the Night King himself), and the Children used that same spiral pattern in their rituals. The Night King and the White Walkers just continued using the same symbolism. Whether or not the person that the Children turned into a White Walker was Targaryen or not, the show didn't say (and GRRM's books haven't gotten to that part yet, if they ever even do)
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 16, 2019 17:25:31 GMT -5
It goes back to Season One, too. Is the Night King a Targaryen? I've lost track of their history -- the White Walkers, too. one of the Three-Eyed Raven visions showed that the Children of the Forest created the first white walker (might have even been the Night King himself), and the Children used that same spiral pattern in their rituals. The Night King and the White Walkers just continued using the same symbolism. Whether or not the person that the Children turned into a White Walker was Targaryen or not, the show didn't say (and GRRM's books haven't gotten to that part yet, if they ever even do) It seems unlikely. The original war between the Children and the first men was long before the Targaryens invaded Westeros. The Targaryens were a noble house of Valyria. They were established on Dragonstone Island, which was the farthest west outpost of Valyria. After "The Doom" destroyed Valyria, the Targaryens were the last noble Valyrians. At some point after that, they decided to invade and conquer Westeros.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 18:43:34 GMT -5
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 16, 2019 20:23:09 GMT -5
She had a good scene with The Hound. And I liked her scenes with Jon and Gendry. I also liked her recognition of herself in the kid climbing around. I liked that scene too. It confirms again Arya is just a badass now.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 16, 2019 20:28:15 GMT -5
She had a good scene with The Hound. And I liked her scenes with Jon and Gendry. I also liked her recognition of herself in the kid climbing around. I liked that scene too. It confirms again Arya is just a badass now. I had the opposite conclusion. I thought I could see Arya questioning herself. What did he do to make her hate him -- he killed a boy she had been playing with. But she kills people ALL THE F*CKING TIME now. Is she really any different from the Hound? Is the Hound really a bad guy?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 20:33:54 GMT -5
I think they both showed affection for the other in that scene, in their own warped way. They just can't admit it yet.
"You left me to die." "I robbed you first."
was a great line.
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