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Post by vbcoltrane on Oct 3, 2019 11:55:45 GMT -5
You realize that NU is a charter member of the B1G. Yes, but they’re a private school. And all the rest of the original members still in the conference are public. Why does that matter? Duke is private, Stanford is private - yet in conferences with largely public institutions. Should there be private-only conferences? |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Oct 3, 2019 12:08:01 GMT -5
Yes, but they’re a private school. And all the rest of the original members still in the conference are public. Why does that matter? Duke is private, Stanford is private - yet in conferences with largely public institutions. Should there be private-only conferences? Northwestern is not on the same level as Duke and Stanford when it comes to resources diverted to athletic support and does not have a reputation for athletic excellence like those two. There are private schools like Stanford, Notre Dame, and Duke who have P5 competitiveness. Northwestern does not. |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Oct 3, 2019 13:13:47 GMT -5
ND would be a great member, but I understand why they don't want it.
Pitt would be a great member, though PSU wouldn't want it.
I'm fine with Northwestern, even if it doesn't fit the mold of the other schools.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Oct 3, 2019 14:41:43 GMT -5
ND would be a great member, but I understand why they don't want it. Pitt would be a great member, though PSU wouldn't want it. I'm fine with Northwestern, even if it doesn't fit the mold of the other schools. Notre Dame would certainly be BIG but I think they’re a little too insular to be B1G... you know what I mean?  If I could switch out Maryland/Rutgers I’d do it with Missouri/Kansas in a heartbeat. |
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Post by rogero1 on Oct 3, 2019 14:46:37 GMT -5
Starting the second year of Big Ten volleyball back in the early’80’s, there were 2 divisions (East & West) of 5 schools each. Teams played a home & away within their division and one match against every team in the other division for 13 matches. The Big Ten championship was played at the school with the best record. The first Big Ten Championship was at Kenney Gym at Illinois in 1981. Two five team pools with top 2 teams from each pool advanced to semis, then the winners played for the championship. Fall 1981, I moved to Champaign...must of have missed this with my new job and residence. Over how many days did the first Big Ten Championship take place? So, the Champion and runner-up played 6 matches? Only 2 days, Friday & Saturday. Back then, NCAA allowed playing 2/3 matches. Yes, both teams played 6 matches. |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Oct 3, 2019 14:48:42 GMT -5
ND would be a great member, but I understand why they don't want it. Pitt would be a great member, though PSU wouldn't want it. I'm fine with Northwestern, even if it doesn't fit the mold of the other schools. Notre Dame would certainly be BIG but I think they’re a little too insular to be B1G... you know what I mean? If I could switch out Maryland/Rutgers I’d do it with Missouri/Kansas in a heartbeat. KU is fine, but I'd prefer Mizzou/Pitt. Pitt and KU are about the same size. |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Oct 3, 2019 14:51:41 GMT -5
Notre Dame would certainly be BIG but I think they’re a little too insular to be B1G... you know what I mean? If I could switch out Maryland/Rutgers I’d do it with Missouri/Kansas in a heartbeat. KU is fine, but I'd prefer Mizzou/Pitt. Pitt and KU are about the same size. If we HAVE to have PSU then Pitt makes sense. |
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Post by huskerjen on Oct 3, 2019 15:31:28 GMT -5
Notre Dame would certainly be BIG but I think they’re a little too insular to be B1G... you know what I mean? If I could switch out Maryland/Rutgers I’d do it with Missouri/Kansas in a heartbeat. KU is fine, but I'd prefer Mizzou/Pitt. Pitt and KU are about the same size. The Big Ten would probably rather have Kansas for their basketball program. |
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Post by Wiswell on Oct 3, 2019 16:38:53 GMT -5
KU is fine, but I'd prefer Mizzou/Pitt. Pitt and KU are about the same size. If we HAVE to have PSU then Pitt makes sense. Pitt is not technically a state school. It is state-related. But then again, Penn State is not a state school either, and is also state-related, so I guess it's ok (it does get a measure of state aid). This is why PSU is not obligated to release coaches' salaries, as they are operated and chartered privately. So you have two private (ish) schools in the Big Ten already. |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Oct 3, 2019 21:29:48 GMT -5
If we HAVE to have PSU then Pitt makes sense. Pitt is not technically a state school. It is state-related. But then again, Penn State is not a state school either, and is also state-related, so I guess it's ok (it does get a measure of state aid). This is why PSU is not obligated to release coaches' salaries, as they are operated and chartered privately. So you have two private (ish) schools in the Big Ten already. Right, honestly I’d prefer to have neither. On top of PSU not technically being a state school it’s also not in the Midwest and not a founding member. They’re just a big name and they’re not Rutgers or Maryland. As soon as we get rid of those two PSU should be next to go (followed by Northwestern and then maaaybe Purdue). |
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Post by jcvball22 on Oct 3, 2019 22:14:20 GMT -5
Pitt is not technically a state school. It is state-related. But then again, Penn State is not a state school either, and is also state-related, so I guess it's ok (it does get a measure of state aid). This is why PSU is not obligated to release coaches' salaries, as they are operated and chartered privately. So you have two private (ish) schools in the Big Ten already. Right, honestly I’d prefer to have neither. On top of PSU not technically being a state school it’s also not in the Midwest and not a founding member. They’re just a big name and they’re not Rutgers or Maryland. As soon as we get rid of those two PSU should be next to go (followed by Northwestern and then maaaybe Purdue). Someone is desperate for his teams to do well... might as well eliminate the competition! |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Oct 3, 2019 22:43:19 GMT -5
I can’t be the only one who feels the B1G is a clusterf*ck with so many teams... the B1G, ACC, and SEC are all messes.
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Oct 4, 2019 12:38:30 GMT -5
I preferred it when all the teams played each other home and away. The scheduling now is a mess. If we just got rid of two teams, my preference being the last two in, then the scheduling would be better.
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Post by JT on Oct 4, 2019 13:00:22 GMT -5
I preferred it when all the teams played each other home and away. The scheduling now is a mess. If we just got rid of two teams, my preference being the last two in, then the scheduling would be better. Full home/away round robin maxes out at 11 teams if you want four weeks for pre-conference tournaments (and you want that to help RPI). So the B1G would need to eliminate three teams, which would mess up that other fall sport. I agree that the scheduling was much better then. |
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Post by donut on Oct 4, 2019 14:52:15 GMT -5
Hawk Attack (didn't know which one of your posts to quote) For pretty much all purposes, Penn State is a public/state school. 99% of Americans aren't going to know/care that they're a public-private hybrid technically. Not sure why you would hone in on that as a reason for them not to be in the B1G... Side note: Rutgers is also technically a public-private hybrid school as well, but both are considered to be public "land grant" universities. Hell, Penn State is even the flagship university of Pennsylvania - you can't really get much more "WE ARE THE BIG PUBLIC SCHOOL HERE" than that. Also, I highly doubt Northwestern will ever leave the B1G unless they dissolve athletics all-together. Just like Stanford will never leave the PAC, Duke will never leave the ACC, Vandy will never leave the SEC. Believe or not, the members of the conferences do care about the "academics" side... those schools are hearty boosts to the academic metrics/value of the conferences. Lastly, "midwest" is such a subjective term... I don't think Ohio State and Kansas being in the same conference makes sense to me... I understand they are both in various definitions of the midwest, but I just don't feel like they are in the same definition of the midwest... if that makes sense. I also think the Big 12 has an equally strong claim to the "midwest" states, but the Big 12 is a bigger mess than the Big 10 is right now. If you're going off of pure geography, current schools, and "public" universities, wouldn't Iowa State make the most sense? It's bigger than Iowa...
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