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Post by bigfan on Jun 23, 2019 15:31:03 GMT -5
Someone needs to change this thread title. Should start a new thread.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 23, 2019 15:32:36 GMT -5
Is the AD? This guy is the grandfather of Former USC and Current NY Jets quarterback Sam Darnold.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jun 23, 2019 17:24:12 GMT -5
So what's the skinny on what is going on?
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Post by huskerjen on Jun 23, 2019 17:51:02 GMT -5
This is what I was thinking of: "In 2015, the NCAA Division I “Power 5” Schools implemented a rule that has the effect of “protecting” Division I student-athletes from having their athletic scholarship cancelled or not renewed for any athletics reason. Quite simply, a coach cannot take away a scholarship for poor athletic performance. Here are several facts about this rule: – This new rule was voted in by the universities of the “Power 5” conferences – the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, PAC-12, and SEC, as well as Notre Dame. This rule must be followed by these 65 universities. – Other Division I schools and conferences can choose to follow this rule, but are not required to do so. So, an athlete receiving an athletic scholarship from a university that is NOT one of the 65 mentioned here might still receive a one-year scholarship which a coach can choose not to renew for the following academic year." informedathlete.com/the-facts-about-guaranteed-multi-year-ncaa-di-scholarships/So.....you are right for Power 5, but it is not across the board. There is coach in the B1G who hates this rule. He has found ways to work around it though. Every coach should hate this rule since their livelihood is tied to fielding as competitive a team as possible and winning. While I agree SA welfare comes first, a simple amendment could protect the SA and program competitiveness. Instead of guaranteeing the SA's scholarship, just guarantee their general scholarship. If the coach wants to remove a player from the roster for any reason, they can do so, but the university has to guarantee that player a full 4-year scholarship regardless. Then, they can choose to transfer to play, or revert to being a normal student at the same university without having to pay tuition or room and board. Their degree is protected either way. This also allows self-governing by universities since they dont want to keep giving away free scholarships every time a coach fails in evaluating players. The university admins would curtail the coach from constantly cycling through players because they would run up a large bill for the university.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jun 23, 2019 18:53:25 GMT -5
There is coach in the B1G who hates this rule. He has found ways to work around it though. Every coach should hate this rule since their livelihood is tied to fielding as competitive a team as possible and winning. While I agree SA welfare comes first, a simple amendment could protect the SA and program competitiveness. Instead of guaranteeing the SA's scholarship, just guarantee their general scholarship. If the coach wants to remove a player from the roster for any reason, they can do so, but the university has to guarantee that player a full 4-year scholarship regardless. Then, they can choose to transfer to play, or revert to being a normal student at the same university without having to pay tuition or room and board. Their degree is protected either way. This also allows self-governing by universities since they dont want to keep giving away free scholarships every time a coach fails in evaluating players. The university admins would curtail the coach from constantly cycling through players because they would run up a large bill for the university. It looks like you kind of figured out the problem with your own idea as you typed. Talent evaluation is part of the job. They school isn't going to be interested in constantly cleaning up a coaches mistakes. Particularly for a non-revenue sport. They are paying the coach to distribute the schollies correctly the first time around.
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Post by huskerjen on Jun 23, 2019 19:30:35 GMT -5
Every coach should hate this rule since their livelihood is tied to fielding as competitive a team as possible and winning. While I agree SA welfare comes first, a simple amendment could protect the SA and program competitiveness. Instead of guaranteeing the SA's scholarship, just guarantee their general scholarship. If the coach wants to remove a player from the roster for any reason, they can do so, but the university has to guarantee that player a full 4-year scholarship regardless. Then, they can choose to transfer to play, or revert to being a normal student at the same university without having to pay tuition or room and board. Their degree is protected either way. This also allows self-governing by universities since they dont want to keep giving away free scholarships every time a coach fails in evaluating players. The university admins would curtail the coach from constantly cycling through players because they would run up a large bill for the university. It looks like you kind of figured out the problem with your own idea as you typed. Talent evaluation is part of the job. They school isn't going to be interested in constantly cleaning up a coaches mistakes. Particularly for a non-revenue sport. They are paying the coach to distribute the schollies correctly the first time around. Yes, that's the appeal. The coach will have to make the case to the university. It also allows the university another way of allocating resources in a way they see fit. Guaranteeing athletic scholarships is problematic because it takes too much power away from the coach to do what's in the best interest of the entire team. Coaches shouldn't have to keep someone around if they don't want for fear of losing a full allocation of scholarships. Under the current rule, if they remove a player, they're essentially putting themselves on probation by losing a scholarship until that player graduates. The punishment doesn't fit the mistake. We all know even the best talent evaluators miss semi-frequently.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 19:31:40 GMT -5
So what's the skinny on what is going on? Bond Shymansky IS ON THE MOVE/ MOVING FAST....
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 23, 2019 19:43:17 GMT -5
It looks like you kind of figured out the problem with your own idea as you typed. Talent evaluation is part of the job. They school isn't going to be interested in constantly cleaning up a coaches mistakes. Particularly for a non-revenue sport. They are paying the coach to distribute the schollies correctly the first time around. Yes, that's the appeal. The coach will have to make the case to the university. It also allows the university another way of allocating resources in a way they see fit. Guaranteeing athletic scholarships is problematic because it takes too much power away from the coach to do what's in the best interest of the entire team. Coaches shouldn't have to keep someone around if they don't want for fear of losing a full allocation of scholarships. Under the current rule, if they remove a player, they're essentially putting themselves on probation by losing a scholarship until that player graduates. The punishment doesn't fit the mistake. We all know even the best talent evaluators miss semi-frequently. This makes sense, but it's also a solution that relies entirely on throwing money at the problem, and we all know who will ultimately benefit most from it. Perhaps some sort of a cap that prohibits having more than one player per year on the external scholarship would be beneficial.
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Post by hammer on Jun 23, 2019 19:56:23 GMT -5
So what's the skinny on what is going on? Bond Shymansky IS ON THE MOVE/ MOVING FAST....Just spotted heading towards Davenport on I-80 ...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 21:17:04 GMT -5
Bond Shymansky IS ON THE MOVE/ MOVING FAST....Just spotted heading towards Davenport on I-80 ... Ugh....Davenport, IA (first time I went by there was Almost Precisely the era of that VW beetle in the GIF). One of the most desultory, grimy cities I've ever seen!
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Post by azvb on Jun 23, 2019 22:14:20 GMT -5
I broke so many rules while coaching at a JC. But no one cared, and “everyone was doing it”. Some small things like buying them lunch, and some big things like finding someone to pay tuition for my setter from Brazil. I believe the term “sponsor” was used.
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Post by 642fiddi on Jun 23, 2019 23:31:07 GMT -5
Is the AD? This guy is the grandfather of Former USC and Current NY Jets quarterback Sam Darnold. Dick Hammer. Played in the 64 Olympics I believe. Son Dan played at Long Beach
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Post by hammer on Jun 23, 2019 23:34:49 GMT -5
This guy is the grandfather of Former USC and Current NY Jets quarterback Sam Darnold. Dick Hammer. Played in the 64 Olympics I believe. Son Dan played at Long Beach Wasn't there a Dan Hammer who played for the Gauchos maybe mid 2000s?
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Post by Mocha on Jun 24, 2019 2:03:40 GMT -5
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Post by gobruins on Jun 24, 2019 4:54:28 GMT -5
I broke so many rules while coaching at a JC. But no one cared, and “everyone was doing it”. Some small things like buying them lunch, and some big things like finding someone to pay tuition for my setter from Brazil. I believe the term “sponsor” was used. How much was tuition at a JC?
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