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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2004 3:15:52 GMT -5
That does not explain how Haley won the NCOY last year, as he was not the COY for the Pacific region. Looks like you are right. www.avca.org/collegiate/DIawards/DIRCOY03.aspThat's a very odd way of doing it, imho. And why different standards for coaches than the players? I'd go with Stone, Elliot or Shoji. Or Stevenson.
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Post by caljr on Dec 12, 2004 9:22:37 GMT -5
Jim Stone is one of the nation's best teachers of the game. He did another quality job this season. But to lament him with the honor based on the turn-around from last year needs some discussion. Sure, Jim recruited well in landing Meyer, Stevens (from his club team), and Britenriker. However, two transfers just happend to fall into the OSU lap. That is interesting. Main appears after the fall practices have begun to solve all of the setting problems from a year ago. And how did Mapp get to Columbus from NC State? No question that Stone can coach, but the turn-around from a year ago is very interesting and was accomplished with avenues other than pure on-court coaching.
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Post by Curious on Dec 12, 2004 11:12:16 GMT -5
I'll put in a plug for Elliot.
Last year, Texas was 15-14 overall, 10-10 Big-12. Missed the tournament for only the second time in school history, with stars Howden and Topic.
This year, Texas was 26-5 overall, 16-4 Big-12, top-10 ranking, lost in Sweet-16 round in a sweep, but every game was competitive, and with a few different bounces, they might still be in it. This year, they still had Howden and Topic, but the rest of the active roster was all sophomores and freshmen (4 freshmen in usual rotation,freshman libero,freshman setter), NO juniors. You don't get to Regionals on two stars alone, even though they are talented and terrific ladies. Now ending his fourth year at Texas, Elliot has assembled the staff and players that brought this team back from oblivion.
Regards
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Post by ZookIsCooked on Dec 12, 2004 11:21:18 GMT -5
Coach Patrick at Tennessee should definitely get some consideration. He beat traditional SEC power Florida not once but twice, and did it on their homecourt both times, he led UT to the Sweet 16 and within a game of the Elite 8, led UT to its highest finish ever in the polls. He won't win it, but he should get some votes.
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Post by mookieblaylock on Dec 12, 2004 11:22:59 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with Cal Jr.
Stone is a great coach, but this year was more about Main showing up in Columbus and an infusion of freshman talent than Stone's coaching, IMO.
Elliott turned Texas around, but maybe that award should go to the man behind the curtain, Hosfeld.
It's either McLaughlin or Hebert, and I'd put my money on McLaughlin. I think Stevenson is a very worthy candidate, though.
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Post by caljr on Dec 12, 2004 11:26:50 GMT -5
Texas is a traditional power that slipped unexpectantly last year - simila to Ohio State. Do we reward coaches for getting their programs back on track, or do we reward coaches who have record-setting seasons. I am not familiar with coaches at St. Mary's, Santa Clara, or Maryland, but I have to give them strong consideration.
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Post by mookieblaylock on Dec 12, 2004 11:37:04 GMT -5
Can't believe I forgot about Patrick in TN. I'd think he _should_ garner some votes, but probably won't win it.
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Post by Curious on Dec 12, 2004 11:45:31 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with Cal Jr. Elliott turned Texas around, but maybe that award should go to the man behind the curtain, Hosfeld. I don't think the award is just for the guy/gal who runs the drills. Head coach is more than that. He assembles a team, makes the decisions, and rises or falls on the shoulders of the TEAM (coaches/players/staff). Hosfeld is a great guy, and might be in the running someday himself, but he wouldn't be there without Elliot. Regards
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Post by Curious on Dec 12, 2004 11:53:43 GMT -5
Texas is a traditional power that slipped unexpectantly last year - simila to Ohio State. Do we reward coaches for getting their programs back on track, or do we reward coaches who have record-setting seasons. I am not familiar with coaches at St. Mary's, Santa Clara, or Maryland, but I have to give them strong consideration. Yes, I think we dol Nor am I familiar with them, but based on previous posts, I'm not sure they are even eligible. Be that as it may, I will not denigrate any coach nominated to promote one I may prefer. I will merely state what Elliot has done. They have all done terrific jobs. Regards
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Post by vbfan on Dec 12, 2004 12:11:01 GMT -5
Jim McLaughlin has to be one of the favorites, however, his making to the Final Four isn't a total surprise since they were ranked 7th in the nation in the preseason poll at they brought back practically everyone from a team that was in the elite eght last year. Yes but how many of the other coaches could have gotten their teams through a month and a half in the toughest conference in the country WITHOUT their best player. OSU would have folded without Gordon. Minnesota would not have been able to handle a loss to Bratford or Martin. USC would have really floundered had they lost Burdine. Texas would have not been 2nd in the conference without Topic. Some of you will say well Washington is deep, well that is part of coaching to have enough experienced depth and not rely on one player sooo much that if they got hurt, your team would fall apart. IMHO, if Tomasevic had not gotten hurt, Washington would be undefeated and a clear favorite for the Title. About Hosfeld, there is no doubt he had SOME impact on that program but the greatest difference was this year they could set more than two players and could pass and play defense and this was not due to teaching but the addition of the players. Moriarty was a huge reason for their success as well as Jennings and Acevedo.
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Post by believer on Dec 12, 2004 13:27:03 GMT -5
Shouldn't Mary Wise from Florida still be in the running for Coach of the Year?
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Post by Gorf on Dec 12, 2004 13:30:51 GMT -5
Jim Stone is one of the nation's best teachers of the game. He did another quality job this season. But to lament him with the honor based on the turn-around from last year needs some discussion. Sure, Jim recruited well in landing Meyer, Stevens (from his club team), and Britenriker. However, two transfers just happend to fall into the OSU lap. That is interesting. Main appears after the fall practices have begun to solve all of the setting problems from a year ago. And how did Mapp get to Columbus from NC State? No question that Stone can coach, but the turn-around from a year ago is very interesting and was accomplished with avenues other than pure on-court coaching. Jim Stone's picking up Mapp and Main isn't really any different than Dave Shoji picking up Victoria Prince from Washington State. Certainly Main was a big part of the OSU turnaround this year, just as Prince was a large part of Hawaii's success.
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Post by Gorf on Dec 12, 2004 13:34:08 GMT -5
Can't believe I forgot about Patrick in TN. I'd think he _should_ garner some votes, but probably won't win it. You're right, I'd forgotten about him as well. There are certainly a lot of coaches this year that have done very well with their teams, as was shown by the overall parity between high level teams over the course of the season.
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Post by silversurfer on Dec 12, 2004 13:37:45 GMT -5
I don't think caljr is comparing Ohio State and Hawaii, per se. I don't think Shoji is in the running for COY. Really, I think a guy like Rob Patrick deserves it. Finally beating Florida, and doing it twice, is a huge accomplishment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2004 15:21:11 GMT -5
[quote author= (R)uffda! link=board=general&thread=1102826936&start=15#1 date=1102839352] Looks like you are right. www.avca.org/collegiate/DIawards/DIRCOY03.aspThat's a very odd way of doing it, imho. And why different standards for coaches than the players? I'd go with Stone, Elliot or Shoji. Or Stevenson.[/quote] The reference above is to the 2003 COY info. The URL for the 2004 COY is www.avca.org/collegiate/diawards/04DIRCOY.asp . According to the AVCA, the criteria for selection are: "Team success during current season; team improvement from previous season; fulfillment of team potential; and, professional manner and attitude of coach." In addition, "All Region Coaches of the Year, plus the regional finalist coaches (top eight, if not already one of the Region Coaches of the Year), will be eligible for National Coach of the Year." This means only, but all of, the following coaches are eligible: Elliott - Texas Shymansky - G. Tech Stone - OSU Yelin - Louisville Appleman - Yale McLaughlin - Wash.* Patrick - Tenn. Shoji - Hawai'i Hebert - Minn.* Dunning - Stanford* Haley - USC* Banachowski - UCLA Waite - Wisconsin Cook - Nebraska ____ *In the Final- Four I think, using the AVCA criteria, it is between Dunning, Stone, McLaughlin and Hebert, though, as stated above, they are all great coaches.
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