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Post by vbfan on Dec 11, 2004 23:48:56 GMT -5
Being that Jim McLaughlin is the only Region Coach of the Year left in the NCAA Tournament, does this mean he is a lock for that honor. According to the AVCA, the National COY must come from one of the Region honorees and I can't remember a time when the COY was not in the FF.
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Post by GatorVball on Dec 11, 2004 23:54:04 GMT -5
I believe the coaches who make it to the regional finals are also eligible, if they didn't win their region COY honor as well. That's how Haley won it last year. I can't imagine anyone but McLaughlin getting it, at this point. They won the toughest conference and are in the Final 4. It should be his.
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Post by simplycurious on Dec 12, 2004 0:01:55 GMT -5
Yep, Haley won it last year when he wasn't a RCOY. I didn't think it could be done either, but he did. So, who will win it? Someone at the Final Four or someone just as deserving who didn't make it?
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Post by vbfan on Dec 12, 2004 0:11:05 GMT -5
Some could make an argument for Shoji but when the time to perform against "The Best" or even the "Above Average" (sorry Wisconsin fans), he and his players failed, so despite an undefeated season until that point after graduating 7 seniors (which is quite a feat in any conference), I don't think he gets it.
Haley, I doubt it, too up and down this season with the losses to Illinois and WSU.
Dunning is a possible candidate but I can't see how people could give it to him over McLaughlin since UW won the PAC-10 and Stanford was 2nd.
Rose/Banachowski/Hebert - All exceptional coaches but to lead a team to their first final four and do it in 4 years at the school and on top of that to win the toughest conference in the country (no longer arguably) the award has to go to McLaughlin.
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Post by simplycurious on Dec 12, 2004 0:15:15 GMT -5
Yeah, he's probably a 'sure thing', as long as they don't lose in the semifinals. Consider this though, if his team wins the National Championship and he does win the award - who honesty thinks he'll still be around next year (rather than taking the U.S. Women's National Team job)!?
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Post by NobodySpecial on Dec 12, 2004 0:37:49 GMT -5
[quote author= [glow=red,2,300] simplycurious[/b][/color][/glow] link=board=general&thread=1102826936&start=4#0 date=1102828515]Yeah, he's probably a 'sure thing', as long as they don't lose in the semifinals. Consider this though, if his team wins the National Championship and he does win the award - who honesty thinks he'll still be around next year (rather than taking the U.S. Women's National Team job)!? [/quote] The Coach of the Year is announced Thursday morning prior to the semifinal matches.
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Post by simplycurious on Dec 12, 2004 0:41:44 GMT -5
Oooh that's right...I forgot about that...although all that does is change the order of my items in the above post...the question of whether or not Jim 'stays or goes', still remains...
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Post by Gorf on Dec 12, 2004 0:53:19 GMT -5
Jim McLaughlin has to be one of the favorites, however, his making to the final four isn't a total surprise since they were ranked 7th in the nation in the preseason poll at they brought back practically everyone from a team that was in the elite eght last year.
Dave Shoji having the Wahine remain undefeated in the regular season and making it to the sweet sixteen after starting the season ranked #13 would also be a favorite.
Mick Haley, John Dunning, and MIke Hebert deserve to have their names mentioned for the COY, however USC started out ranked #1, Minnesota #5 and Stanford #6 so again it isn't a major surprise that those three teams made it to the final four.
Jim Stone would be my choice:
1. He Ohio State to the elite and within a whisper of the final four.
2. They were unranked unranked at the start of the season.
3. They were something like 11-17 last year.
4. They have 7 true freshman.
5. They play in one of the toughest conferences in the nation and were undefeated this season longer than any teams excet Hawaii and Texas (?).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2004 1:11:00 GMT -5
Jim McLaughlin has to be one of the favorites, however, his making to the Final Four isn't a total surprise since they were ranked 7th in the nation in the preseason poll at they brought back practically everyone from a team that was in the elite eght last year. Dave Shoji having the Wahine remain undefeated in the regular season and making it to the sweet sixteen after starting the season ranked #13 would also be a favorite. Mick Haley, John Dunning, and MIke Hebert deserve to have their names mentioned for the COY, however USC started out ranked #1, Minnesota #5 and Stanford #6 so again it isn't a major surprise that those three teams made it to the Final Four. Jim Stone would be my choice: 1. He Ohio State to the elite and within a whisper of the Final Four. 2. They were unranked unranked at the start of the season. 3. They were something like 11-17 last year. 4. They have 7 true freshman. 5. They play in one of the toughest conferences in the nation and were undefeated this season longer than any teams excet Hawaii and Texas (?). Since Washington made it into the FF, McLaughlin should get it. If Ohio State had played any defense, er, I mean, won, then Stone would be the odds-on favorite. p.s. Thanks, Modman, for curtailing Gorfs outlandishly over-sized signature pics
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Post by Gorf on Dec 12, 2004 1:15:18 GMT -5
I think Jim McLaughlin is a great coach, I just don't agree that making it to the final four when you started out the season highly ranked with pretty much the identical team he had last year that nearly made it to the final four is an impressive as what Jim Stone did with his team this year.
Its just a personal opinion, and I don't have a vote so it doesn't matter all that much.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2004 1:22:45 GMT -5
I think any of the above would be an ok choice as coach of the year. Of course, my choice is Dave just cause I am a hawaii fan. Wish Dave would have done a better job last year with the talent he had.
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Post by Gorf on Dec 12, 2004 1:29:57 GMT -5
I agree, I wouldn't really have a problem with Dave, or any of the coaches mentioned getting it.
I'm just personally impressed with OSU's turnaround this year.
I basically wanted to add Stone's name to the list because no one else had mentioned him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2004 2:31:28 GMT -5
I think the statement above about COY is wrong: the candidate DOES have to come from the Region COYs.
And making it to the Finals is not the deciding factor. Bobbi Peterson, for one, was COY without making it past the final 8.
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Post by roofed! on Dec 12, 2004 2:40:17 GMT -5
[quote author=(R)uffda! link=board=general&thread=1102826936&start=12#0 date=1102836688]I think the statement above about COY is wrong: the candidate DOES have to come from the Region COYs.[/quote]
That does not explain how Haley won the NCOY last year, as he was not the COY for the Pacific region.
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Post by vbfan4life on Dec 12, 2004 2:50:19 GMT -5
I think actually Haley has a very good chance of being the COY. Too bad the COY is determined before the result of the FF. I think that if USC did do an unprecedented feat of 3 in a row, then he will probably be the COY despite Washington's unexpected success, Elliot's ability to turn a team that has underperformed into a formidable opponent, and Shoji's triumph by turning a rebuilding year into one that went as far as it did. Since there have been co-NPOY before, will they ever have a co-NCOY?
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