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Post by dunninla3 on Oct 16, 2019 18:09:55 GMT -5
This reminds me. Do we know why the selection committee only seeds the top 16 teams and not the entire field like in basketball? Is it so they can do these kind of geographic considerations (e.g. sending Utah to Provo)? I honestly don't know and couldn't really find anything on the subject from my initial Google search. Money. The basketball tournament makes money, so they can fly teams across the country. Every other tournament only seeds the top 25% of teams then places everybody else based mostly on geography. Softball deals with this every year. At one time, last I really paid attention, there was a 450 mile rule... After the 16 seeds, the teams that were not 1-16 would be sent within 450 miles if possible. You end up with a lot of LSU vs. UL, UT vs. TAMU, Florida Vs. USF, etc. even when that meant a 17 seed (actually RPI #17) would be sent to the 1 seed.
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Post by horns1 on Oct 16, 2019 18:23:53 GMT -5
Why does Hawaii get sent to Seattle so often? Hawaii, if not hosting, has nowhere to drive in. Washington, when hosting, frequently has no drive-ins (unless Seattle U, Portland State, or Gonzaga makes the tournament). If Hawai'i doesn't host, I suspect they become the valued Queen piece on the scheduling chessboard. The committee can justify sending them just about anywhere they need a fly-in team to balance a region. Frequently it's been with Washington because they always seem to need a bevy of fly-ins, but this year they could wind up in a Texas or Baylor region, as they'll likely need fly-ins to balance their regions. If seeded by RPI ranking alone, they could wind up in Stanford's region. I could see Hawaii being sent to Rice as there must a lot of daily non-stop flights between Honolulu and Houston. I don't know if there's a nonstop flight between Austin and Honolulu.
I honestly don't know the airport situation in Waco, TX. I forget if teams sent a Baylor sub-regional (in any sport) fly in to Waco (after connecting in Houston or Dallas), or fly to DFW, Houston, or Austin, and then bus to Waco in a 90 minute drive. I'm sure someone will confirm.
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Post by hammer on Oct 16, 2019 18:47:02 GMT -5
Right now, you can get a roundtrip flight from Waco to Maui for $111. Fly Easy, Fly Waco.
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Post by dunninla3 on Oct 16, 2019 19:03:20 GMT -5
Last I went to Waco which is 3 years, out of LAX. Choice from LA was Southwest into Dallas-Love, rent a car 90 minutes to Waco -or- LA into Dallas Ft. Worth International, with connection to Waco (cost about $80 more). Another much less used option is LA to Austin on Southwest, rent a car, 110 minute drive to Waco.
Just checked Honolulu to Dallas-Love on Southwest.
$435 round trip, with stopover in San Jose, CA of 3.6 hours. At Dallas-Love, rent a car for three or four days.
Don't know what Hammer is referring to above as there are no flights directly from Waco to Honolulu (who lives in Maui??), but on American Airlines, with connection in Dallas, the cost is $1,100.
Man, is airfare cheap these days. Wasn't always that way.
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Post by gobruins on Oct 17, 2019 9:06:19 GMT -5
If Baylor, Texas and Rice all wind up as top-4 seeds, is it possible to attend all three regional finals?
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Post by brybast on Oct 17, 2019 9:53:33 GMT -5
In regards to Sun, I get the impression that everyone just wants her to be happy. IMO that has been become a very tired and lame joke and needs to be retired. Hmmmm, I think it still has some life left.
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Post by nakedcrayon on Oct 17, 2019 10:07:06 GMT -5
Right now, you can get a roundtrip flight from Waco to Maui for $111. Fly Easy, Fly Waco. Where?? When?? What airline ??
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Post by horns1 on Oct 17, 2019 10:13:26 GMT -5
Pretend Airlines
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Post by staticb on Oct 17, 2019 10:27:01 GMT -5
I think Hawaii should still be seeded. With a current RPI of 9 and looking how well their previous opponents are doing it should be included in the picture. Yet I never really cared if we hosted or not I just want a deep run. Also sometimes going into the tournament unseeded benefits us cause we don’t have a huge target on our back. If Hawaii is like #17 in the RPI, surely the committee will take their injury situation into consideration. (Assuming they have everyone back)
Otherwise, would who want to play an unseeded but healthy Hawaii in the tourney which was a borderline Top 10 team before all the injuries. It would basically be screwing someone.
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 17, 2019 11:28:14 GMT -5
I think Hawaii should still be seeded. With a current RPI of 9 and looking how well their previous opponents are doing it should be included in the picture. Yet I never really cared if we hosted or not I just want a deep run. Also sometimes going into the tournament unseeded benefits us cause we don’t have a huge target on our back. If Hawaii is like #17 in the RPI, surely the committee will take their injury situation into consideration. (Assuming they have everyone back)
Otherwise, would who want to play an unseeded but healthy Hawaii in the tourney which was a borderline Top 10 team before all the injuries. It would basically be screwing someone.
I doubt it - every team has injuries and most teams have had lost time injuries. Why factor this for Hawaii and not all other teams. How could anyone (or group of people) quantify the impact of all the injuries that took place and the impact on each team come December 1? This is not practical. There will be plenty of unseeded teams if fully healthy that will be a handful for some of the seeded teams. Anyone want to sign up for an unseeded Penn State in their sub? How about a fully healthy Minnesota team? Cal, Colorado State, Illinois, Utah - many of these teams will be unseeded.
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Post by 808empath on Oct 17, 2019 11:36:57 GMT -5
Just send a healthy Hawaii team to Washington.
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 17, 2019 11:44:16 GMT -5
If Baylor, Texas and Rice all wind up as top-4 seeds, is it possible to attend all three regional finals? Maybe if you only want to catch a little bit of each game.
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Post by staticb on Oct 17, 2019 12:00:28 GMT -5
I doubt it - every team has injuries and most teams have had lost time injuries. Why factor this for Hawaii and not all other teams. How could anyone (or group of people) quantify the impact of all the injuries that took place and the impact on each team come December 1? This is not practical. I thought they did this for every team. Aren't teams required to submit injury reports/reasons for records to take into consideration for a team's Nitty Gritty report? Or is it just for basketball?
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Post by hammer on Oct 17, 2019 12:20:17 GMT -5
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 17, 2019 12:52:49 GMT -5
I doubt it - every team has injuries and most teams have had lost time injuries. Why factor this for Hawaii and not all other teams. How could anyone (or group of people) quantify the impact of all the injuries that took place and the impact on each team come December 1? This is not practical. I thought they did this for every team. Aren't teams required to submit injury reports/reasons for records to take into consideration for a team's Nitty Gritty report? Or is it just for basketball? I am not aware of this - but I am also not in the know and am speculating. Regardless - it is a slippery slope to factor in injuries and impossible to quantify. I think they are going to rely on RPI. I have thought about this before, Women's VB injuries are way less public than Men's BB injuries. I am sure this is mostly due to the # of people following and how information gets out. It still seems like you will have a BB coach publicly discuss a player's injury and timetable for return - this never happens in volleyball. I am not even sure how BB coaches are able to legally talk about injuries, but it seems like they do.
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