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Post by Longhorn20 on Jun 25, 2022 14:44:01 GMT -5
Hah I know, I’m just impatient
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Post by slxpress on Jun 25, 2022 14:46:34 GMT -5
Hah I know, I’m just impatient You could always follow more than one sport. I heard something about a big commitment regarding something played on the 40 acres. Can’t get away from the news, is more like it. |
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Post by texaslonghorns on Jun 25, 2022 14:57:00 GMT -5
Hah I know, I’m just impatient You could always follow more than one sport. I heard something about a big commitment regarding something played on the 40 acres. Can’t get away from the news, is more like it. if your talking about arch manning yes that is big news for Texas football |
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Post by horns1 on Jun 25, 2022 15:53:08 GMT -5
Looking at our last 2 recruiting classes:
2022:
Devin Kahahawai
Emma Halter
Marianna Singletary
2023:
Ella Swindle
Jordyn Byrd
Nyah Bunton
Sydney Helmers
Auburn Tomkinson
That's already 8 players if they all somehow stay at Texas come 2024. Skinner, Parra, and Akana all would be Super Seniors in 2024 if they remain at Texas through the 2024 season.
So, we might have just one scholarship allotted for the 2024 class at this time. Do I think there will be attrition among those 11 players I listed? Yes. But, that won't be known until at least end of the Fall semester in December, and perhaps even longer.
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Post by slxpress on Jun 25, 2022 16:08:50 GMT -5
Looking at our last 2 recruiting classes: 2022: Devin Kahahawai Emma Halter Marianna Singletary 2023: Ella Swindle Jordyn Byrd Nyah Bunton Sydney Helmers Auburn Tomkinson That's already 8 players if they all somehow stay at Texas come 2024. Skinner, Parra, and Akana all would be Super Seniors in 2024 if they remain at Texas through the 2024 season. So, we might have just one scholarship allotted for the 2024 class at this time. Do I think there will be attrition among those 11 players I listed? Yes. But, that won't be known until at least end of the Fall semester in December, and perhaps even longer. This is exactly it. Not to mention going back to your other point in this thread, where it’s possible attrition is filled in with transfers rather than more freshmen. It’s just really tough for me to get worked up about it. In terms of location, facilities, school, program prestige, NIL, coaching staff, program fan support, UT is tough to beat as a recruiting pitch. Elliott is really good at this part of his job. Really good. But I get it if people feel impatient. I just don’t share that mindset. It’s going to be a while until we see something. That’s just how it’s going to be. It was funny. On the 2024 Top Recruits thread as we neared June 15th someone was asking if there are programs that pressure kids to commit immediately or there won’t be a scholarship available and someone replied “Texas.” Just the normal drive-by hate we see on this site regularly. I just laughed and replied that’s silly. Texas has never rushed their top recruiting targets to commit immediately. It’s just not how Elliott does things. |
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Post by nevollfan on Jun 25, 2022 16:21:44 GMT -5
You could always follow more than one sport. I heard something about a big commitment regarding something played on the 40 acres. Can’t get away from the news, is more like it. if your talking about arch manning yes that is big news for Texas football I have felt for a long time in football that Texas main detriment to more conference championships, BCS invites and national championships is the city of Austin. To many distractions for 18-23 year old males. USC, has Los Angeles, and Pete Carroll moved to the Seattle Seahawks. Those two schools, on selling points, should most always be in contention for national championships. |
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Post by slxpress on Jun 25, 2022 17:52:10 GMT -5
if your talking about arch manning yes that is big news for Texas football I have felt for a long time in football that Texas main detriment to more conference championships, BCS invites and national championships is the city of Austin. To many distractions for 18-23 year old males. USC, has Los Angeles, and Pete Carroll moved to the Seattle Seahawks. Those two schools, on selling points, should most always be in contention for national championships. I’ll just say you’re categorically wrong. The main detriment in football for Texas is the hiring process for bringing in a new head coach. Look at the career paths of who they’ve dismissed at their next destination. Fred Akers failed at Purdue. David McWilliams never coached again. John Mackovic failed spectacularly at Arizona. Charlie Strong failed spectacularly at South Florida after being handed the keys to a burgeoning power house. Mack Brown has done okay at North Carolina, but nothing like his first incarnation there. Neither he, nor more importantly Sally, want to invest the time and single minded focus it takes to win at the highest level. It was his biggest problem when he went on cruise control in the late 2000s and it manifested itself afte McCoy graduated. But at least that was a hire done the right way for the right reasons. I don’t know how Tom Herman will eventually do. His main weakness is his psychopathic lack of humility. He brought in a crappy staff that had no Power 5 experience to speak of - almost no FBS experience, even - and thought he would roll the Big 12 with his mensa mind. He was publicly contemptuous of Longhorn fans who were up in arms about his OC pick, and then fired the guy the next season. Virtually his entire original staff was gone by his final year. We’ll see, though. It was still a bad hire under a shotgun arrangement with an interim AD who is a super nice guy and amazing Longhorn, but has no spine. Now there’s Sarkisian, who was mediocre at both Washington and USC, fired as an NFL OC after two years, whose main credential is he was a record setting OC under Saban - a place that hasn’t had anything but amazing OCs (and DCs for that matter) for years. Go out and money whip someone. USC hires Lincoln Riley - who is going to do extremely well there, btw, Los Angles or no Los Angeles. LSU hires Brian Kelly from Notre Dame (Notre Dame!!!), who is not my favorite coach on the planet, but his pedigree is about one thousand times better than Sarkisian’s Hire the right coach. Or at least make some kind of attempt to hire the best candidate available whoever it might be. The only time that’s been done since Frank Erwin brought in Darrell Royal was with Mack Brown. Every other hire has been short sighted with multiple agendas playing a factor. Compare all of Del Comte’s hires in every other sport, and the kinds of resumes those coaches had prior to Texas, and then look at Sarkisian. What is wrong with this picture? Why are we choking up on the bat in the sport that matters most? I know a bunch of the answers for a number of these hires, but the fact it keeps happening over and over is mind boggling to me. And the shame of it is, as good as Del Conte has done leading the athletic department, he’s going to be judged by how football does. So no. It’s not Austin. It’s not the boosters. It’s not the fans. It’s not the resort spa atmosphere. It’s not all the things people love to bring up as being the core of the problem. It’s the head coach. It’s always the head coach. Get that hire right. For the love of God get that hire right. |
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Post by horns1 on Jun 25, 2022 18:58:56 GMT -5
Lol I’m going to need some sort of news soon. It’s hard to watch other top programs get the top recruits and we’re just chillin😅 I think it's good that Texas is likely encouraging their recruits to take their time (based on how late our 23s and also Devin committed) this isn't shade to Nebraska or Wisconsin or whoever, it's awesome those recruits know where they wanna go already but these are 16 year olds and it's a tough decision No idea if we're encouraging any 2024 recruits to "take their time". I'm sure if Pierce wanted to commit to Texas a few days ago, we wouldn't turn her away. On the flip side, the more high school recruits Nebraska signs, the less active they'll be in the transfer portal, right?  2021: S - Kennedi Orr L - Lexi Rodriguez OH - Ally Batenhorst OH - Lindsay Krause 2022: OH - Hayden Kubik MB- Bekka Allick DS - Masie Bosiger MB - Maggie Mendelson (on basketball scholarship for now; but, that doesn't change her sets played) 2023: OPP - Caroline Jurevicius OH - Harper Murray MB - Andi Jackson S - Bergen Reilly 2024: MB - Ayden Ames OH - Skyler Pierce While the cream will rise to the top, there will be attrition just like there is in every program. Consistently bringing in highly-ranked elite high school talent is a good problem to have. But, it'll be interesting to watch how many of the above stay at Nebraska all 4 years. If they do, then possibly no scholarships for transfers (which I guess you don't really need IF everyone plays up their recruiting rankings). |
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Post by nevollfan on Jun 26, 2022 1:42:06 GMT -5
I have felt for a long time in football that Texas main detriment to more conference championships, BCS invites and national championships is the city of Austin. To many distractions for 18-23 year old males. USC, has Los Angeles, and Pete Carroll moved to the Seattle Seahawks. Those two schools, on selling points, should most always be in contention for national championships. I’ll just say you’re categorically wrong. The main detriment in football for Texas is the hiring process for bringing in a new head coach. Look at the career paths of who they’ve dismissed at their next destination. Fred Akers failed at Purdue. David McWilliams never coached again. John Mackovic failed spectacularly at Arizona. Charlie Strong failed spectacularly at South Florida after being handed the keys to a burgeoning power house. Mack Brown has done okay at North Carolina, but nothing like his first incarnation there. Neither he, nor more importantly Sally, want to invest the time and single minded focus it takes to win at the highest level. It was his biggest problem when he went on cruise control in the late 2000s and it manifested itself afte McCoy graduated. But at least that was a hire done the right way for the right reasons. I don’t know how Tom Herman will eventually do. His main weakness is his psychopathic lack of humility. He brought in a crappy staff that had no Power 5 experience to speak of - almost no FBS experience, even - and thought he would roll the Big 12 with his mensa mind. He was publicly contemptuous of Longhorn fans who were up in arms about his OC pick, and then fired the guy the next season. Virtually his entire original staff was gone by his final year. We’ll see, though. It was still a bad hire under a shotgun arrangement with an interim AD who is a super nice guy and amazing Longhorn, but has no spine. Now there’s Sarkisian, who was mediocre at both Washington and USC, fired as an NFL OC after two years, whose main credential is he was a record setting OC under Saban - a place that hasn’t had anything but amazing OCs (and DCs for that matter) for years. Go out and money whip someone. USC hires Lincoln Riley - who is going to do extremely well there, btw, Los Angles or no Los Angeles. LSU hires Brian Kelly from Notre Dame (Notre Dame!!!), who is not my favorite coach on the planet, but his pedigree is about one thousand times better than Sarkisian’s Hire the right coach. Or at least make some kind of attempt to hire the best candidate available whoever it might be. The only time that’s been done since Frank Erwin brought in Darrell Royal was with Mack Brown. Every other hire has been short sighted with multiple agendas playing a factor. Compare all of Del Comte’s hires in every other sport, and the kinds of resumes those coaches had prior to Texas, and then look at Sarkisian. What is wrong with this picture? Why are we choking up on the bat in the sport that matters most? I know a bunch of the answers for a number of these hires, but the fact it keeps happening over and over is mind boggling to me. And the shame of it is, as good as Del Conte has done leading the athletic department, he’s going to be judged by how football does. So no. It’s not Austin. It’s not the boosters. It’s not the fans. It’s not the resort spa atmosphere. It’s not all the things people love to bring up as being the core of the problem. It’s the head coach. It’s always the head coach. Get that hire right. For the love of God get that hire right. I am not categorically wrong about the city of Austin. But you are categorically right about the right head coach and staff. But just a little softness and lack of focus and toughness can be the difference in winning and losing conference championships, BCS invites and national titles. You had a senior football captain this spring, I think, restricted to talking to the press about the same issues that can plague other programs all over the country. Sarkisian puts the lid on his mouth to the press. Austin is definitely a major city of temptations that pull out the negatives of this age group. They can show immaturity in ways going back to your days in college. Get real and acknowledge this huge challenge of talent, total dedication and mental focus of 85 football players to win championships in Austin. The university with the best athletic program in the country for two years has a coaching issue over the years and consistent motivation issues with many football players. In THE sport that matters the most to most Longhorn fans by far. For how many years have the Longhorns excelled in the recruiting rankings of Rivals, Scout, etc? You average the four or five classes making up a team for the last twenty or so years. Many average to top ten or less. But many seasons fall short of that on the field. Mind you, Nebraska has sucked or been mediocre for many, many years post Osborne. A lot of that is coaching, a tougher conference for football certainly and a huge reason is lack of population in Nebraska and our surrounding region. We are struggling to just become somewhat relevant in football. Our fans, most fan bases, don’t realize the importance of population in-state and each schools surrounding region. Distance matters as does relevance after time in each coaching regime. But unless you have a great head coach totally motivated and very, very competent with his role and hiring the right assistants, Austin is going to motivate less some players to a degree that other schools don’t have to contend with all year around. I seen it in the seventies a wee bit in the seventies visiting my cousins in Austin. The city is impressive and only has gotten more alluring. Which is bad for this age group. Plus the kids today are overall softer than past generations. Each succeeding generation have gotten a little softer but the kids today have accelerated that a bit faster, imo. It takes a special, special coach, like Pete Carroll at USC, to resurrect a top two potential program(the other being Texas) to keep most of his players motivated all-year around in Los Angeles. The city with the most distractions for young men. Even look at the city of Miami and the University of Miami in football too. How can the city and area of such speed and skill be ordinary or just pretty good? Save your breath, the proof will come down to the right head coach and assistants who can overcome the city’s ways of making to many tough sport football players a little to soft for big-time football. Maybe NIL will be the saving tool for football players. If paying them legally is the ultimate motivation for some players, Texas should become a power again consistently. Oh, I forgot the dumb and arrogant move to the SEC that Texas and follower Oklahoma agreed to. SMH I wonder if Riley going to USC, and leaving a top five job at Oklahoma, was in large part his assessment that those BCS hard earned invites are over for Oklahoma. It will be a semi-miracle for Oklahoma or Texas to win the SEC or even place in the top two most years, imo. Texas said years ago, mostly fans in public sport forums, that the SEC was never good enough for Texas and its mediocre academics. Lol. Look at them now. The football problem might be ongoing with an occasional great year. Good luck, you will need it like my Huskers in football. |
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Post by slxpress on Jun 26, 2022 2:15:45 GMT -5
You’re a rambling mess, which is saying something coming from me.
When Texas hires the right coach, it will all work itself out. If they keep hiring losers who lose wherever they go, there will be problems.
Same thing in volleyball. Texas replaced Mick Haley - who was outstanding - with Jim Moore, who set the program back and had to be replaced.
As strong as the Nebraska program is, if the wrong hire is made to replace Cook when he retires, there will be issues.
Miami made 4 extremely strong hires in a row in Schnellenberger, Jimmy Johnson, Erickson, and Davis, all in a row. They haven’t had a coach close to any of those four since. Nebraska had two hall of fame coaches in a row in Devaney and Osborne. Now they can’t get the same success because it takes that level of brilliance in running a football program to succeed at Nebraska. Alabama made a series of poor hires between Stallings and Saban. USC has been rife with incompetent ADs whose primary experience is that they were football stars for the football team. Mike Garrett, who lucked into the Carroll hire after his first five choices turned him down and he was so desperate for anyone who would say yes he brought in a guy who was fired as a .500 coach at New England. Which worked out pretty well for both places.
It’s always about the coaching. You have some strange views of Austin, temptations, the new generation, and a whole lot of other BS. Every job has strengths and weaknesses. People who excel at their job figure out a way to take advantage of the strengths, and ameliorate the weaknesses. The people responsible for hiring should have as their only criteria finding the best possible candidate for the job. As I said previously, that was only true with the Mack Brown hire. Every other choice has been saddled with baggage and agendas. That’s why Texas has been mired in mediocrity for 30 of the last 40 years. Not your rambling tripe. Find the best candidate, pay him what it takes, and then give him all the tools he needs to be successful. And if it doesn’t work, fire him and try again until you find the right person. But if you start out by not even trying to find the best candidates, you’re already putting yourself behind the eight ball, hoping for the same kind of blind luck Mike Garrett achieved at USC.
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Post by nevollfan on Jun 26, 2022 5:45:36 GMT -5
I did ramble but you to easily dismiss my valid point. It always comes to coaching and I understand that totally. I am from Nebraska and men like Devaney and Osborne don’t grow on trees. But Texas already has everything at its fingertips. Everything. Just small tweaks to the new head coaches insatiable needs. You have to invent needs for coaches in Austin for football. I am not getting in a constant verbal debate on the somewhat numbing motivating effects of big warm cities do have on males in the 18-23 year old age group. It happens and you want to dismiss something that is hard to put a finger on. Whatever.
You talk about great coaches and their success. Saban is the greatest winner ever in college football history but Alabama won many national titles before he was hired. He took it to another level but it is Alabama. You have to really be mediocre to not at least be in the top twenty or the top ten some years. Texas should be top twenty, maybe top 10, every year with a average head coach in the Big 12. The Big 12. You sound like our fans and it is just only a coaching problem. Lol. For Nebraska, no it is also a natural population deficiency in the state and surrounding region. A huge defining asset, the biggest one, in 85 scholarship major college football. Wake up a little here. All the blue bloods from the last fifty years or so, except Nebraska, enjoy the population in their state and surrounding states. It isn’t by chance. We had exceptional coaching that overcame our biggest deficiency for major college relevance: population. That is a fact.
My other point is joining the SEC requires greater coaching to win championships in anytime of your football history. Good luck with finding the right coach with all the physical assets possible to succeed in football at the doorsteps in the city of Austin. But the city does make young men wander about in thoughts and deeds detrimental enough to underachieve in heavy pressure and demanding major college football. I don’t care if you believe my point, just as i don’t care if you think it is totally frivolous. Good luck in volleyball, Texas has a great program and will succeed well into the future. Like all your sports, population is important and the state has that as the second highest in the country. Plus Austin is very attractive to warm weather athletes from all over and cold weather athletes looking for warmer days competing and socializing in college. Like all year around outside. Lol. This subject is deserving of dying. Don’t you think?
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Post by horns1 on Jun 26, 2022 8:29:05 GMT -5
Please stop the discussions about "football" on the volleyball board. I get that there was a comparison made between a recent big-time 2023 football recruit to none for 2024 in volleyball. But, that's where it should stop, IMO.
On the other hand, talk about what you want. But, it's cluttering the Texas volleyball recruiting discussion a bit.
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Post by nellynel on Jun 26, 2022 8:57:08 GMT -5
Please stop the discussions about "football" on the volleyball board. I get that there was a comparison made between a recent big-time 2023 football recruit to none for 2024 in volleyball. But, that's where it should stop, IMO. On the other hand, talk about you want. But, it's cluttering the Texas volleyball recruiting discussion a bit. I’ll to try and keep it on topic. There is a lot to do in Austin compared to most large power 5 university cities but that IMO that affects the fan base more so the athletes, when faced with watching mediocre season (such as football) and shelling out $ fans can easily say I have better things to do (Even more so now with an MLS team that has great attendance). It is coaching which is talent evaluation, recruitment, development and X’s and O’s lastly. In all sports talent evaluation is critical, projecting players ability at the next level, who really loves their sport (not just good because they were a better athlete in HS). JE has done a really good job of talent evaluation IMO, coaches in other sports, not so much. The area where it could have been better in the back row still has not prevented him from playing for multiple championships in the last decade plus. So yes Austin can be distracting but not if you bring in the right players. As far as 2024, disclaimer, based on the limited video I have seen I would put the 2022-2023 classes with anyone. And if Skinner, Akana, Parra have not made decisions about their extra year does Texas really have that many open ships to be offering? I would much prefer not to offer 3-4 players you may not have a scholarship for until you know. |
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Post by slxpress on Jun 26, 2022 9:10:42 GMT -5
Please stop the discussions about "football" on the volleyball board. I get that there was a comparison made between a recent big-time 2023 football recruit to none for 2024 in volleyball. But, that's where it should stop, IMO. On the other hand, talk about you want. But, it's cluttering the Texas volleyball recruiting discussion a bit. Yeah, I’m done with this discussion. It’s just such a tired narrative that there’s something wrong in the state of Denmark, and that’s why UT has issues winning. There’s no sport it’s utilized more in than football, but I’ve seen the bad fans, bad boosters, the temptations of the city of Austin, what have you brought up as the culprit in other sports as well. Shaka Smart upon his exit is a good example of this. Kim Mulkey used to use it as part of her negative recruiting pitch when she was starting to win big in Baylor. I don’t see it in volleyball as much. Instead we get all the “Elliott can’t coach,” and especially the inability of Texas to execute in the backcourt. The only real way to flip the narrative is to actually go out and win championships. But if Texas makes a couple of bad hires in a row for the head coaching position in volleyball I guarantee it gets trotted out. Also, in terms of recruiting we’re still another couple of months from any real updates for the 2024 class, and of course the 2023 class is done. Doesn’t mean the Texas volleyball thread should be polluted with football talk, though. Shoot, I’m the one responsible for bringing the football talk on here anyway, mostly because I’m stunned with how much everyone has lost their da*n minds over Arch Manning. I’ve followed recruiting in a variety of sports closer than is healthy for 50 years and I’ve honestly never seen a reaction like this in any sport. Chris Simms comes the closest, but that wasn’t on the same level as this at all. |
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Post by rrvbfan on Jun 26, 2022 9:18:04 GMT -5
I think it's good that Texas is likely encouraging their recruits to take their time (based on how late our 23s and also Devin committed) this isn't shade to Nebraska or Wisconsin or whoever, it's awesome those recruits know where they wanna go already but these are 16 year olds and it's a tough decision No idea if we're encouraging any 2024 recruits to "take their time". I'm sure if Pierce wanted to commit to Texas a few days ago, we wouldn't turn her away. On the flip side, the more high school recruits Nebraska signs, the less active they'll be in the transfer portal, right? 2021: S - Kennedi Orr L - Lexi Rodriguez OH - Ally Batenhorst OH - Lindsay Krause 2022: OH - Hayden Kubik MB- Bekka Allick DS - Masie Bosiger MB - Maggie Mendelson (on basketball scholarship for now; but, that doesn't change her sets played) 2023: OPP - Caroline Jurevicius OH - Harper Murray MB - Andi Jackson S - Bergen Reilly 2024: MB - Ayden Ames OH - Skyler Pierce While the cream will rise to the top, there will be attrition just like there is in every program. Consistently bringing in highly-ranked elite high school talent is a good problem to have. But, it'll be interesting to watch how many of the above stay at Nebraska all 4 years. If they do, then possibly no scholarships for transfers (which I guess you don't really need IF everyone plays up their recruiting rankings). dont forget 2024 Olivia Mauch as well. Lib |
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