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Post by widdledumpling on Dec 21, 2023 17:40:44 GMT -5
CJ just started following Carlson’s sister. Does anyone know if she is visiting Texas right now? I would love CJ for the meme but I feel like Lauenstein filled any spot CJ would have slotted into. In other words, I’m not sure why CJ would leave a program where she would sit behind an Opp for 2 years to another program where she would…sit behind an Opp for two years.
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Post by basil on Dec 21, 2023 17:44:48 GMT -5
CJ just started following Carlson’s sister. Does anyone know if she is visiting Texas right now? I would love CJ for the meme but I feel like Lauenstein filled any spot CJ would have slotted into. In other words, I’m not sure why CJ would leave a program where she would sit behind an Opp for 2 years to another program where she would…sit behind an Opp for two years. CJ the assistant coach, not the player
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Post by ngc9494 on Dec 21, 2023 17:45:26 GMT -5
CJ just started following Carlson’s sister. Does anyone know if she is visiting Texas right now? I would love CJ for the meme but I feel like Lauenstein filled any spot CJ would have slotted into. In other words, I’m not sure why CJ would leave a program where she would sit behind an Opp for 2 years to another program where she would…sit behind an Opp for two years. wrong CJ. cursty
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Post by widdledumpling on Dec 21, 2023 17:47:21 GMT -5
I would love CJ for the meme but I feel like Lauenstein filled any spot CJ would have slotted into. In other words, I’m not sure why CJ would leave a program where she would sit behind an Opp for 2 years to another program where she would…sit behind an Opp for two years. CJ the assistant coach, not the player that makes way more sense
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Post by biodogtexas on Dec 21, 2023 18:09:00 GMT -5
You're fine, no worries. But that athletic prowess is long gone and I'm slightly bitter... kind of like a Nebraska football fan. Since Plano West was built, Plano hasn't really done much of anythng. Not a whole lot of success in anything since I got there in the late 2000s. It's nowhere close to where it was in the 80s/90s like you say... before I hit elementary school. I have to say that Plano's dropoff is due primarily to other factors besides enrollment. The last time I saw their enrollments (been 2-3 years), all three Plano schools were over 5000 students and were 3 of the top five enrollments in the state. Only Allen was larger. Well, it's not just how many kids you get enrolled, it's which kids. Whether people acknowledge or like it or no matter what they think about it, high level Athletics are not very diverse. Demographics play an important role and those demographics have shifted in an unfavorable direction for Plano Senior athletics. HIgh School Enrollments
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Post by hornfanaustin on Dec 21, 2023 18:09:42 GMT -5
CJ just started following Carlson’s sister. Does anyone know if she is visiting Texas right now?
A DS/L.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 18:11:20 GMT -5
CJ just started following Carlson’s sister. Does anyone know if she is visiting Texas right now?
A DS/L.
maybe we just want another L/DS for 2024?
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Post by hornfanaustin on Dec 21, 2023 18:12:32 GMT -5
maybe we just want another L/DS for 2024? Cursty is the recruiting coordinator. Gotta drop some lines to fish!
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Post by Longhorn20 on Dec 21, 2023 18:22:37 GMT -5
Sorry guys - I meant I wonder if Averi is on a visit if CJ started following her sister.
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Post by horns1 on Dec 21, 2023 18:25:04 GMT -5
She's been in college 4.5 years and did not redshirt (indoor VB). She used her super-senior indoor season this Fall. So, prior to COVID, the rule was 5 years to play 4 (full) seasons which included one redshirt season. If that's accurate, she has one semester remaining to play a Spring sport Don't think she gets a COVID season for beach since she didn't miss a beach (COVID) season at Texas since we didn't have that athletic program during pandemic. That's not quite how it works. they don't count seasons or redshirts like that.
Molly enrolled in summer of 2019, that started her 5-year clock. She was on campus during covid, so her 5-year clock turned into a 6-year clock. That means she is eligible to compete and receive aid until June of 2025, 6 years from the date of her first enrollment. During that 6-year span, she can compete in up to 4 seasons of competition per sport. The "redshirt" is just nomenclature for not competing in a season. She just completed her 4th season of volleyball (since the 2020 season is not counted) and no longer has eligibility to play indoor volleyball, accordingly. However, that does not end her 6-year clock. She can still play any other sport throughout the rest of her 6-year clock. That means she can compete in any sport in 2024 or the spring of 25, giving her 2 possible beach seasons.
Her Beach Eligibility is separate from her Indoor eligibility. From a beach perspective, think of it like this: She redshirted in 2019-20, 2020-21 did not count because of Covid, she did not play 2021-22 for her redshirt freshman season, she played as a redshirt sophomore this past year in '23, this coming year will be her redshirt junior year in '24, and the spring of '25 will be her redshirt senior year. Not being an early enrollee was key here. If she had enrolled in january, she wouldn't be able to compete in '25. So waiting for the summer gave her an extra potential season of beach volleyball.
Everything you stated might be correct. I'm going by what I consider "logical" and not looking at any rule book on eligibility. From what I know, you only get one "redshirt" season and potentially a COVID redshirt season (based on the situation). Her "clock" started for indoor volleyball; and she played 5 seasons. How do you "redshirt" for beach when you never had that option based on being at a school which did not field that athletic program? How do you get a beach COVID season back when you never actually missed out on it in the first place? I feel like I'm getting confused as to which "bonus" season was given for Fall versus Spring sports. So, my below might be flawed. Spring 2020 (COVID) season canceled 1/4 of the way through - did not play beach as Texas had no beach program; don't think she gets this back as an additional season as she didn't play and have her season cut short Spring 2021 - did not play beach as Texas had no beach program Spring 2022 - did not play beach as Texas had no beach program Spring 2023 - played beach at Texas Spring 2024 - will play beach at USC The USC release did not specify how many years of eligibility she has remaining; not that they have to do so. On the roster, they list her classification as "Gr."; again, not really a clue. Title of the release story was: "USC Beach Volleyball Adds Graduate Transfer Molly Phillips for 2024 Season"; kind of ambiguous, or is it actually truly specific? usctrojans.com/news/2023/12/20/womens-beach-volleyball-usc-beach-volleyball-adds-graduate-transfer-molly-phillips-for-2024-season.aspxNot an identical scenario Molly's, but I recall a Stanford hoopster, Maya Dodson who redshirted (opted-out) during the 2020-21 season (post-COVID season?). She then grad-transferred to Notre Dame. She petitioned the NCAA to get that season back (would have been her 5th of playing); she was denied. Because Dodson opted out of playing the 2020-21 season at Stanford, she did not automatically receive the extra year of eligibility relief the NCAA granted those who played that season. notredame.rivals.com/news/maya-dodson-s-notre-dame-career-ends-with-ncaa-denying-eligibility-appeal#:~:text=Maya%20Dodson%20%E2%80%99s%20college%20basketball%20career%20has%20officially,her%20appeal%20for%20an%20extra%20year%20of%20eligibility. Regardless, would be great if Molly can continue her education and training for up to 2 seasons at USC.
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Post by biodogtexas on Dec 21, 2023 18:47:51 GMT -5
That's not quite how it works. they don't count seasons or redshirts like that.
Molly enrolled in summer of 2019, that started her 5-year clock. She was on campus during covid, so her 5-year clock turned into a 6-year clock. That means she is eligible to compete and receive aid until June of 2025, 6 years from the date of her first enrollment. During that 6-year span, she can compete in up to 4 seasons of competition per sport. The "redshirt" is just nomenclature for not competing in a season. She just completed her 4th season of volleyball (since the 2020 season is not counted) and no longer has eligibility to play indoor volleyball, accordingly. However, that does not end her 6-year clock. She can still play any other sport throughout the rest of her 6-year clock. That means she can compete in any sport in 2024 or the spring of 25, giving her 2 possible beach seasons.
Her Beach Eligibility is separate from her Indoor eligibility. From a beach perspective, think of it like this: She redshirted in 2019-20, 2020-21 did not count because of Covid, she did not play 2021-22 for her redshirt freshman season, she played as a redshirt sophomore this past year in '23, this coming year will be her redshirt junior year in '24, and the spring of '25 will be her redshirt senior year. Not being an early enrollee was key here. If she had enrolled in january, she wouldn't be able to compete in '25. So waiting for the summer gave her an extra potential season of beach volleyball.
Everything you stated might be correct. I'm going by what I consider "logical" and not looking at any rule book on eligibility. From what I know, you only get one "redshirt" season and potentially a COVID redshirt season (based on the situation). Her "clock" started for indoor volleyball; and she played 5 seasons. How do you "redshirt" for beach when you never had that option based on being at a school which did not field that athletic program? How do you get a beach COVID season back when you never actually missed out on it in the first place? I feel like I'm getting confused as to which "bonus" season was given for Fall versus Spring sports. So, my below might be flawed. Spring 2020 (COVID) season canceled 1/4 of the way through - did not play beach as Texas had no beach program; don't think she gets this back as an additional season as she didn't play and have her season cut short Spring 2021 - did not play beach as Texas had no beach program Spring 2022 - did not play beach as Texas had no beach program Spring 2023 - played beach at Texas Spring 2024 - will play beach at USC The USC release did not specify how many years of eligibility she has remaining; not that they have to do so. On the roster, they list her classification as "Gr."; again, not really a clue. Title of the release story was: "USC Beach Volleyball Adds Graduate Transfer Molly Phillips for 2024 Season"; kind of ambiguous, or is it actually truly specific? usctrojans.com/news/2023/12/20/womens-beach-volleyball-usc-beach-volleyball-adds-graduate-transfer-molly-phillips-for-2024-season.aspxNot an identical scenario Molly's, but I recall a Stanford hoopster, Maya Dodson who redshirted (opted-out) during the 2020-21 season (post-COVID season?). She then grad-transferred to Notre Dame. She petitioned the NCAA to get that season back (would have been her 5th of playing); she was denied. Because Dodson opted out of playing the 2020-21 season at Stanford, she did not automatically receive the extra year of eligibility relief the NCAA granted those who played that season. notredame.rivals.com/news/maya-dodson-s-notre-dame-career-ends-with-ncaa-denying-eligibility-appeal#:~:text=Maya%20Dodson%20%E2%80%99s%20college%20basketball%20career%20has%20officially,her%20appeal%20for%20an%20extra%20year%20of%20eligibility. Regardless, would be great if Molly can continue her education and training for up to 2 seasons at USC. I think you're just framing it wrong in your mind. It just doesn't really work like you described so all that is way more complicated than it really is. For Division 1 sports eiligibility, when you first enroll at a member institution, you start a 5-year clock, or open a 5-year window. During that window, that 5-calendar-year time-span, you're allowed to play up to 4 seasons of comeptition in a particular sport. It's kind of that simple: 5 calendar years to compete in 4 seasons of a sport, i.e. you have 4 "years" of eligibility in a 5-calendar-year window. Redshirting is just the nomenclature for not using one of those eligible "years", it just means you didn't compete in one of your 4 allowed seasons. During covid, they basically said that everyone on a team that year automatically qualifies for a one-year extension to their 5-year clock. They turned everyone's 5-year clock into a 6-year clock. That meant everyone on a team that year, now had a 6-year time-span to compete in up to 4 seasons of competition. They also said that those seasons did not count as one of your 4 seasons. That's the "Covid Redshirt", the idea that that particular season didn not use one of your 4 seasons. For Molly Phillips, that means that she now has a 6-year window of time from june of 2019 to june of 2025 in which she can compete in a season of any sport up to 4 times. She's done so for Indoor Volleyball 4 times now so she's done there. But she has only done so once in Beach. She can keep playing Beach until she uses those 4 seasons or until June of 2025. That means 2 years of eligibility. That's my understanding at least. Maybe we can ask the Division 2 coach who was posting portal updates in here her opinion.
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 21, 2023 18:59:46 GMT -5
That's not quite how it works. they don't count seasons or redshirts like that.
Molly enrolled in summer of 2019, that started her 5-year clock. She was on campus during covid, so her 5-year clock turned into a 6-year clock. That means she is eligible to compete and receive aid until June of 2025, 6 years from the date of her first enrollment. During that 6-year span, she can compete in up to 4 seasons of competition per sport. The "redshirt" is just nomenclature for not competing in a season. She just completed her 4th season of volleyball (since the 2020 season is not counted) and no longer has eligibility to play indoor volleyball, accordingly. However, that does not end her 6-year clock. She can still play any other sport throughout the rest of her 6-year clock. That means she can compete in any sport in 2024 or the spring of 25, giving her 2 possible beach seasons.
Her Beach Eligibility is separate from her Indoor eligibility. From a beach perspective, think of it like this: She redshirted in 2019-20, 2020-21 did not count because of Covid, she did not play 2021-22 for her redshirt freshman season, she played as a redshirt sophomore this past year in '23, this coming year will be her redshirt junior year in '24, and the spring of '25 will be her redshirt senior year. Not being an early enrollee was key here. If she had enrolled in january, she wouldn't be able to compete in '25. So waiting for the summer gave her an extra potential season of beach volleyball.
Everything you stated might be correct. I'm going by what I consider "logical" and not looking at any rule book on eligibility. From what I know, you only get one "redshirt" season and potentially a COVID redshirt season (based on the situation). Her "clock" started for indoor volleyball; and she played 5 seasons. How do you "redshirt" for beach when you never had that option based on being at a school which did not field that athletic program? How do you get a beach COVID season back when you never actually missed out on it in the first place? I feel like I'm getting confused as to which "bonus" season was given for Fall versus Spring sports. So, my below might be flawed. Spring 2020 (COVID) season canceled 1/4 of the way through - did not play beach as Texas had no beach program; don't think she gets this back as an additional season as she didn't play and have her season cut short Spring 2021 - did not play beach as Texas had no beach program Spring 2022 - did not play beach as Texas had no beach program Spring 2023 - played beach at Texas Spring 2024 - will play beach at USC The USC release did not specify how many years of eligibility she has remaining; not that they have to do so. On the roster, they list her classification as "Gr."; again, not really a clue. Title of the release story was: "USC Beach Volleyball Adds Graduate Transfer Molly Phillips for 2024 Season"; kind of ambiguous, or is it actually truly specific? usctrojans.com/news/2023/12/20/womens-beach-volleyball-usc-beach-volleyball-adds-graduate-transfer-molly-phillips-for-2024-season.aspxNot an identical scenario Molly's, but I recall a Stanford hoopster, Maya Dodson who redshirted (opted-out) during the 2020-21 season (post-COVID season?). She then grad-transferred to Notre Dame. She petitioned the NCAA to get that season back (would have been her 5th of playing); she was denied. Because Dodson opted out of playing the 2020-21 season at Stanford, she did not automatically receive the extra year of eligibility relief the NCAA granted those who played that season. notredame.rivals.com/news/maya-dodson-s-notre-dame-career-ends-with-ncaa-denying-eligibility-appeal#:~:text=Maya%20Dodson%20%E2%80%99s%20college%20basketball%20career%20has%20officially,her%20appeal%20for%20an%20extra%20year%20of%20eligibility. Regardless, would be great if Molly can continue her education and training for up to 2 seasons at USC. You must remember that "redshirt" is basically a slang word for "not using a year of eligibility". I'm not sure if redshirt is even used in the NCAA manual. Also the "clock" comes into play also when talking about Molly's beach eligibility. You would look at it like this for beach (she starts with 5 years to play 4 in beach just like indoor even though Texas doesn't have a team). spring 2020 - does not play - now has 4 years to play 4. spring 2021 - does not play - now has 3 years to play 3 - even though she didn't play to use a year of eligibility, she still lost one because of the clock. spring 2022 - does not play - now has 2 years to play 2 - same as above spring 2023 - plays beach - now has 1 year to play 1 spring 2024 - playing beach at USC - now exhausts normal eligibility I believe we all agree that Molly will exhaust her normal eligibility in beach after this season. The question is strictly whether she gets a COVID season in a sport that she did not participate in during COVID. Your example of the ND player does seem to say that a player who opted out during COVID (when playing was available) did not get the extra season. However the Big West conference teams did not play volleyball during the 20-21 season and I've never heard that those players didn't get the extra season. So it doesn't appear there are examples out there which provide clarity on the subject.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Dec 21, 2023 19:02:08 GMT -5
If she had enrolled early, in January 2019, she would have one year for beach, correct? But since she enrolled in June, with the COVID year, she could potentially have 2?
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 21, 2023 19:57:53 GMT -5
I have to say that Plano's dropoff is due primarily to other factors besides enrollment. The last time I saw their enrollments (been 2-3 years), all three Plano schools were over 5000 students and were 3 of the top five enrollments in the state. Only Allen was larger. Well, it's not just how many kids you get enrolled, it's which kids. Whether people acknowledge or like it or no matter what they think about it, high level Athletics are not very diverse. Demographics play an important role and those demographics have shifted in an unfavorable direction for Plano Senior athletics. HIgh School EnrollmentsThat's why I said Plano's dropoff was due to other factors since there enrollment was still big. I did noticed that Plano High's enrollment has dropped a few hundred since the last time I saw the numbers. I know they were over 5000 the last time.
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 21, 2023 20:00:27 GMT -5
If she had enrolled early, in January 2019, she would have one year for beach, correct? But since she enrolled in June, with the COVID year, she could potentially have 2? What's being questioned is whether she gets a COVID year in beach since she wasn't playing beach at the time. No one yet has posted with definite knowledge to answer that question.
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