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Post by houstonbear15 on Jan 4, 2024 17:45:29 GMT -5
My response was to the idea that being in that environment would automatically solidify a player attending Nebraska. I was offering a counter-reason to that. Also really unsure why you are being so condescending towards me. Truly just processing some thoughts. But that's not what you said. It obviously didn't solidify those two players to Nebraska. It was still an amazing event for volleyball and for recruiting (and for women's sports overall). It just wasn't enough compared to what Texas had to offer. What Texas had to offer is the realm of speculation, just like all recruitments, really. People seek out the University of Texas because they're not scared of the challenge. ESPECIALLY the volleyball program. I cannot imagine Elliott would extend a scholarship offer to a player who was truly scared of performing in a big time environment. I certainly hope he wouldn't. That's just asking for someone to have mental health issues. It's a non issue. You backtracked some by saying you're throwing it out there as a generality and hypothetical, but you didn't actually throw it out as a generality or a hypothetical. You threw it out specifically in reference to Ames and Harvey, while describing it as a reason they possibly chose Texas over Nebraska. I found it an absurd point when you first posited it, and I haven't changed my impression since then. I don't know why they eventually chose Texas over Nebraska, but I feel highly confident manifesting social anxiety/performance issues after attending the match at Memorial Stadium wasn't it. Otherwise they absolutely would have chosen some place other than Texas. But it is what I said and I 100% used generalities when I specifically typed out "some athletes" twice. It may seemed like I backtracked, but that's only because I was having to explain my thought process, which obviously did not come across to you. I was NOT offering a reason why Ames/Harvey chose Texas over Nebraska, but simply offering an idea of why attending that match wouldn't automatically be a reason that an athlete would choose Nebraska. That is independent of Ames and Harvey and why I said "some athletes." Nebraska very well could do a match like that in the future and there will be different recruits other than those two in attendance. I don't know why Ames or Harvey chose Texas and I am not trying to come across as knowing so. I can recognize how it would come across that way since they were the subjects of the example I was making, but again was speaking generally.
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Post by diatx on Jan 4, 2024 18:01:12 GMT -5
My response was to the idea that being in that environment would automatically solidify a player attending Nebraska. I was offering a counter-reason to that. Also really unsure why you are being so condescending towards me. Truly just processing some thoughts. But that's not what you said. It obviously didn't solidify those two players to Nebraska. It was still an amazing event for volleyball and for recruiting (and for women's sports overall). It just wasn't enough compared to what Texas had to offer. What Texas had to offer is the realm of speculation, just like all recruitments, really. For me my condescension feels less like it's directed at you - because you're awesome - and more to the point you're trying to make. Talking about someone with social anxiety/performance issues deciding The University of Texas at Austin is exactly the environment they're seeking out to avoid those kinds of triggers seems beyond silly to me. I'd be responding the same way regardless of who made the point. I realize from your response that you feel personally attacked by me in some way, but this is how I respond to everyone. I've responded this way to all my favorite posters when they've made what I consider a bad point. And that's nothing compared to how I respond to people in real life. People seek out the University of Texas because they're not scared of the challenge. ESPECIALLY the volleyball program. I cannot imagine Elliott would extend a scholarship offer to a player who was truly scared of performing in a big time environment. I certainly hope he wouldn't. That's just asking for someone to have mental health issues. It's a non issue. You backtracked some by saying you're throwing it out there as a generality and hypothetical, but you didn't actually throw it out as a generality or a hypothetical. You threw it out specifically in reference to Ames and Harvey, while describing it as a reason they possibly chose Texas over Nebraska. I found it an absurd point when you first posited it, and I haven't changed my impression since then. I don't know why they eventually chose Texas over Nebraska, but I feel highly confident manifesting social anxiety/performance issues after attending the match at Memorial Stadium wasn't it. Otherwise they absolutely would have chosen some place other than Texas. I’d just like to point out that having social anxiety does not at all mean that someone is “scared of the challenge”. I feel like that’s kind of a gross assumption.
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Post by donut on Jan 4, 2024 18:04:28 GMT -5
Well.....if you think about it, really we've got Skinner, Keegan/Hugh and St John as our field recruiters.
Only person who doesn't do JE's work for him is Mary. Oh well.
I mean, those folks also doing a lot of player development for JE as well.
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Post by bballin on Jan 4, 2024 18:08:04 GMT -5
Harvey > Ames
Ames gonna ride da bench.
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 4, 2024 18:10:42 GMT -5
Harvey > Ames Ames gonna ride da bench. Why do I think this opinion is based on Ames decommitting from Nebraska?
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Post by hornshouse23 on Jan 4, 2024 18:10:44 GMT -5
This conversation took a quick left. Quick quick
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Post by bballin on Jan 4, 2024 18:12:02 GMT -5
Harvey > Ames Ames gonna ride da bench. Why do I think this opinion is based on Ames decommitting from Nebraska? No, harvey is just good. Ames might not see much court time.
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Post by basil on Jan 4, 2024 18:23:48 GMT -5
Why do I think this opinion is based on Ames decommitting from Nebraska? No, harvey is just good. Ames might not see much court time. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind why Ames is not good enough to see court time
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Post by slxpress on Jan 4, 2024 18:27:09 GMT -5
But that's not what you said. It obviously didn't solidify those two players to Nebraska. It was still an amazing event for volleyball and for recruiting (and for women's sports overall). It just wasn't enough compared to what Texas had to offer. What Texas had to offer is the realm of speculation, just like all recruitments, really. For me my condescension feels less like it's directed at you - because you're awesome - and more to the point you're trying to make. Talking about someone with social anxiety/performance issues deciding The University of Texas at Austin is exactly the environment they're seeking out to avoid those kinds of triggers seems beyond silly to me. I'd be responding the same way regardless of who made the point. I realize from your response that you feel personally attacked by me in some way, but this is how I respond to everyone. I've responded this way to all my favorite posters when they've made what I consider a bad point. And that's nothing compared to how I respond to people in real life. People seek out the University of Texas because they're not scared of the challenge. ESPECIALLY the volleyball program. I cannot imagine Elliott would extend a scholarship offer to a player who was truly scared of performing in a big time environment. I certainly hope he wouldn't. That's just asking for someone to have mental health issues. It's a non issue. You backtracked some by saying you're throwing it out there as a generality and hypothetical, but you didn't actually throw it out as a generality or a hypothetical. You threw it out specifically in reference to Ames and Harvey, while describing it as a reason they possibly chose Texas over Nebraska. I found it an absurd point when you first posited it, and I haven't changed my impression since then. I don't know why they eventually chose Texas over Nebraska, but I feel highly confident manifesting social anxiety/performance issues after attending the match at Memorial Stadium wasn't it. Otherwise they absolutely would have chosen some place other than Texas. I’d just like to point out that having social anxiety does not at all mean that someone is “scared of the challenge”. I feel like that’s kind of a gross assumption. That's completely fair. But choosing to not go to Nebraska because of social anxiety is some kind of indication they're avoiding the challenge. The point is if they're choosing to avoid the challenge at Nebraska, choosing to overcome that challenge at Texas makes absolutely no sense. Their social anxiety is being triggered at a much higher level at Nebraska than Texas? We're not talking about social anxiety or performance anxiety in some kind of vacuum here. We're talking about Ayden Ames and Taylor Harvey specifically. We're talking about them attending a massive event at Memorial Stadium where they held a volleyball match. Something of a one time event. It's not like Nebraska is suddenly going to be playing their volleyball matches there. It was a showcase event. So the theory is Ayden Ames and Taylor Harvey attended that event, had their social anxiety and performance anxiety triggered, and as a safe respite from the horrors of having to face their social anxiety and performance anxiety at a place like Nebraska, they chose Texas instead. Are you saying you're buying into the plausibility of that theory? Because that's what it sounds like to me. I'm saying the theory has no merit. I find this whole conversation completely ludicrous. If people want to theorize about social anxiety and performance anxiety, how individuals and athletes in general try to cope and overcome those hurdles in their daily lives and when put in particularly stressful environments, I think it's a fruitful topic of conversation and I'm all for it. When someone wants to posit that as the reason Ames and Harvey chose Texas over Nebraska, I'm going to call BS. And if you're agreeing with that position as a possible reason for them to choose Texas over Nebraska - which it seems like you're doing - I'm going to call BS on you. We're not actually talking about generalities here, or random anonymous people dealing with social anxiety and allegedly being "scared of the challenge." That would be a preposterous statement. We're talking about specifically Ames and Harvey. And yes, if Ames and Harvey suffered from social anxiety/performance anxiety while attending the Volleyball Day event and chose to go somewhere else because of that, there would be a part of them avoiding that challenge. No judgement regarding that. However, I don't think that has any merit to it whatsoever, ESPECIALLY since they chose to go to Texas instead, where there will be even more challenges to their social anxiety and performance anxiety on any number of levels. The statement had no merit to it from the beginning. That's my position.
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Post by bballin on Jan 4, 2024 18:27:21 GMT -5
No, harvey is just good. Ames might not see much court time. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind why Ames is not good enough to see court time Bc you have a log jam at mb right now.
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Post by basil on Jan 4, 2024 18:32:13 GMT -5
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind why Ames is not good enough to see court time Bc you have a log jam at mb right now. and you concretely believe Ames isn't good enough to earn playing time over middles that have basically as much college game experience as her but Harvey will because?
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Post by babybacksets on Jan 4, 2024 18:36:15 GMT -5
I’d just like to point out that having social anxiety does not at all mean that someone is “scared of the challenge”. I feel like that’s kind of a gross assumption. That's completely fair. But choosing to not go to Nebraska because of social anxiety is some kind of indication they're avoiding the challenge. The point is if they're choosing to avoid the challenge at Nebraska, choosing to overcome that challenge at Texas makes absolutely no sense. Their social anxiety is being triggered at a much higher level at Nebraska than Texas? We're not talking about social anxiety or performance anxiety in some kind of vacuum here. We're talking about Ayden Ames and Taylor Harvey specifically. We're talking about them attending a massive event at Memorial Stadium where they held a volleyball match. Something of a one time event. It's not like Nebraska is suddenly going to be playing their volleyball matches there. It was a showcase event. So the theory is Ayden Ames and Taylor Harvey attended that event, had their social anxiety and performance anxiety triggered, and as a safe respite from the horrors of having to face their social anxiety and performance anxiety at a place like Nebraska, they chose Texas instead. Are you saying you're buying into the plausibility of that theory? Because that's what it sounds like to me. I'm saying the theory has no merit. I find this whole conversation completely ludicrous. If people want to theorize about social anxiety and performance anxiety, how individuals and athletes in general try to cope and overcome those hurdles in their daily lives and when put in particularly stressful environments, I think it's a fruitful topic of conversation and I'm all for it. When someone wants to posit that as the reason Ames and Harvey chose Texas over Nebraska, I'm going to call BS. And if you're agreeing with that position as a possible reason for them to choose Texas over Nebraska - which it seems like you're doing - I'm going to call BS on you. We're not actually talking about generalities here, or random anonymous people dealing with social anxiety and allegedly being "scared of the challenge." That would be a preposterous statement. We're talking about specifically Ames and Harvey. And yes, if Ames and Harvey suffered from social anxiety/performance anxiety while attending the Volleyball Day event and chose to go somewhere else because of that, there would be a part of them avoiding that challenge. No judgement regarding that. However, I don't think that has any merit to it whatsoever, ESPECIALLY since they chose to go to Texas instead, where there will be even more challenges to their social anxiety and performance anxiety on any number of levels. The statement had no merit to it from the beginning. That's my position. This is a lot of response for a very benign initial statement…
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Post by hornshouse23 on Jan 4, 2024 18:40:40 GMT -5
That's completely fair. But choosing to not go to Nebraska because of social anxiety is some kind of indication they're avoiding the challenge. The point is if they're choosing to avoid the challenge at Nebraska, choosing to overcome that challenge at Texas makes absolutely no sense. Their social anxiety is being triggered at a much higher level at Nebraska than Texas? We're not talking about social anxiety or performance anxiety in some kind of vacuum here. We're talking about Ayden Ames and Taylor Harvey specifically. We're talking about them attending a massive event at Memorial Stadium where they held a volleyball match. Something of a one time event. It's not like Nebraska is suddenly going to be playing their volleyball matches there. It was a showcase event. So the theory is Ayden Ames and Taylor Harvey attended that event, had their social anxiety and performance anxiety triggered, and as a safe respite from the horrors of having to face their social anxiety and performance anxiety at a place like Nebraska, they chose Texas instead. Are you saying you're buying into the plausibility of that theory? Because that's what it sounds like to me. I'm saying the theory has no merit. I find this whole conversation completely ludicrous. If people want to theorize about social anxiety and performance anxiety, how individuals and athletes in general try to cope and overcome those hurdles in their daily lives and when put in particularly stressful environments, I think it's a fruitful topic of conversation and I'm all for it. When someone wants to posit that as the reason Ames and Harvey chose Texas over Nebraska, I'm going to call BS. And if you're agreeing with that position as a possible reason for them to choose Texas over Nebraska - which it seems like you're doing - I'm going to call BS on you. We're not actually talking about generalities here, or random anonymous people dealing with social anxiety and allegedly being "scared of the challenge." That would be a preposterous statement. We're talking about specifically Ames and Harvey. And yes, if Ames and Harvey suffered from social anxiety/performance anxiety while attending the Volleyball Day event and chose to go somewhere else because of that, there would be a part of them avoiding that challenge. No judgement regarding that. However, I don't think that has any merit to it whatsoever, ESPECIALLY since they chose to go to Texas instead, where there will be even more challenges to their social anxiety and performance anxiety on any number of levels. The statement had no merit to it from the beginning. That's my position. This is a lot of response for a very benign initial statement… Allow me to introduce you…
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Post by donut on Jan 4, 2024 18:46:43 GMT -5
I’d just like to point out that having social anxiety does not at all mean that someone is “scared of the challenge”. I feel like that’s kind of a gross assumption. That's completely fair. But choosing to not go to Nebraska because of social anxiety is some kind of indication they're avoiding the challenge. The point is if they're choosing to avoid the challenge at Nebraska, choosing to overcome that challenge at Texas makes absolutely no sense. Their social anxiety is being triggered at a much higher level at Nebraska than Texas? We're not talking about social anxiety or performance anxiety in some kind of vacuum here. We're talking about Ayden Ames and Taylor Harvey specifically. We're talking about them attending a massive event at Memorial Stadium where they held a volleyball match. Something of a one time event. It's not like Nebraska is suddenly going to be playing their volleyball matches there. It was a showcase event. So the theory is Ayden Ames and Taylor Harvey attended that event, had their social anxiety and performance anxiety triggered, and as a safe respite from the horrors of having to face their social anxiety and performance anxiety at a place like Nebraska, they chose Texas instead. Are you saying you're buying into the plausibility of that theory? Because that's what it sounds like to me. I'm saying the theory has no merit. I find this whole conversation completely ludicrous. If people want to theorize about social anxiety and performance anxiety, how individuals and athletes in general try to cope and overcome those hurdles in their daily lives and when put in particularly stressful environments, I think it's a fruitful topic of conversation and I'm all for it. When someone wants to posit that as the reason Ames and Harvey chose Texas over Nebraska, I'm going to call BS. And if you're agreeing with that position as a possible reason for them to choose Texas over Nebraska - which it seems like you're doing - I'm going to call BS on you. We're not actually talking about generalities here, or random anonymous people dealing with social anxiety and allegedly being "scared of the challenge." That would be a preposterous statement. We're talking about specifically Ames and Harvey. And yes, if Ames and Harvey suffered from social anxiety/performance anxiety while attending the Volleyball Day event and chose to go somewhere else because of that, there would be a part of them avoiding that challenge. No judgement regarding that. However, I don't think that has any merit to it whatsoever, ESPECIALLY since they chose to go to Texas instead, where there will be even more challenges to their social anxiety and performance anxiety on any number of levels. The statement had no merit to it from the beginning. That's my position.
Put aside Ames and Harvey. Your statement that it's "BS" a player would experience more anxiety/pressure at Nebraska than Texas just seems arrogant. It's actually "BS" to you that playing at a school where almost 100,000 people show up to watch you play volleyball might cause unique anxiety or feelings of pressure? That stadium was the third largest city in Nebraska that day.
This is no disrespect to Texas's program, which is certainly on Nebraska's level, but playing volleyball in Nebraska makes you an A-list celebrity. At Texas, you are one of a dozen programs that competes for a National Championship every year. UT will never fill up DKR with a volleyball match. There are way too many things to do in Austin lol.
It is more than reasonable for an athlete to feel the spotlight stronger at Nebraska than Texas. Easily.
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Post by ay2013 on Jan 4, 2024 18:50:45 GMT -5
No, harvey is just good. Ames might not see much court time. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind why Ames is not good enough to see court time I think many on this board suffer from recency bias. Just like after the UA match, some Nebraska fans thinking that Pierce is going to challenge for a starting spot next year (as if Murray/Landfair/Krause/Batenhorse didn't also have dozens of dominant matches in their prep career). I'd proffer that the most anyone has seen of Taylor Harvey are clips/highlights, which will always have an outsized impact for casual observers (which most here on VT are) compared to full matches. A thunderous kill or two or someone jumping out of the gym for a big block is enough to elicit prophetic claims about what those players are going to do in college, nevermind the fact that, in particular when it comes to players at Texas or Nebraska, pretty much every recruit has prep highlight reels that could impress us all. All of these players are great prospects, but who ends up actually playing usually has nothing to do with what you see on the prep highlight reels, it's what these players are doing on the margins, in particular out of system, which clips/highlights rarely show. I will say that I am very high on Aymes potential to impact the collegiate game. I said it years ago (back when it seemed like EVERY Nebraska recruit was the second coming of god and hyped to hell), and I haven't seen anything to change that opinion.
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