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Post by jwvolley on Jan 4, 2024 18:56:34 GMT -5
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind why Ames is not good enough to see court time I think many on this board suffer from recency bias. Just like after the UA match, some Nebraska fans thinking that Pierce is going to challenge for a starting spot next year (as if Murray/Landfair/Krause/Batenhorse didn't also have dozens of dominant matches in their prep career). I'd proffer that the most anyone has seen of Jordan Harvey are clips/highlights, which will always have an outsized impact for casual observers (which most here on VT are) compared to full matches. A thunderous kill or two or someone jumping out of the gym for a big block is enough to elicit prophetic claims about what those players are going to do in college, nevermind the fact that, in particular when it comes to players at Texas or Nebraska, pretty much every recruit has prep highlight reels that could impress us all. All of these players are great prospects, but who ends up actually playing usually has nothing to do with what you see on the prep highlight reels, it's what these players are doing on the margins, in particular out of system, which clips/highlights rarely show. I will say that I am very high on Aymes potential to impact the collegiate game. I said it years ago (back when it seemed like EVERY Nebraska recruit was the second coming of god and hyped to hell), and I haven't seen anything to change that opinion. Jordan is the Stanford pin, btw.
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Post by hookem1 on Jan 4, 2024 18:57:41 GMT -5
Something I realized- If we didn’t take any of the three transfers this cycle so far we’d be looking at a roster of 3 COVID seniors, 2 true juniors, and 3 sophomores. And then EIGHT freshman, who have never played in a collegiate volleyball game. So more players that hadn’t played in a game than those that had. Even as someone who thinks “experience” is a tad overvalued that would’ve been a lot of inexperience.
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Post by ay2013 on Jan 4, 2024 18:58:42 GMT -5
I think many on this board suffer from recency bias. Just like after the UA match, some Nebraska fans thinking that Pierce is going to challenge for a starting spot next year (as if Murray/Landfair/Krause/Batenhorse didn't also have dozens of dominant matches in their prep career). I'd proffer that the most anyone has seen of Jordan Harvey are clips/highlights, which will always have an outsized impact for casual observers (which most here on VT are) compared to full matches. A thunderous kill or two or someone jumping out of the gym for a big block is enough to elicit prophetic claims about what those players are going to do in college, nevermind the fact that, in particular when it comes to players at Texas or Nebraska, pretty much every recruit has prep highlight reels that could impress us all. All of these players are great prospects, but who ends up actually playing usually has nothing to do with what you see on the prep highlight reels, it's what these players are doing on the margins, in particular out of system, which clips/highlights rarely show. I will say that I am very high on Aymes potential to impact the collegiate game. I said it years ago (back when it seemed like EVERY Nebraska recruit was the second coming of god and hyped to hell), and I haven't seen anything to change that opinion. Jordan is the Stanford pin, btw. right, thanks.
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Post by nellynel on Jan 4, 2024 19:08:29 GMT -5
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Post by horns1 on Jan 4, 2024 19:28:36 GMT -5
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind why Ames is not good enough to see court time Bc you have a log jam at mb right now. LOL A "log jam" of young middle blockers with barely any collegiate experience among Singletary and Bunton. Incoming freshman Ames will get her chance to compete with them for about 7 months until someone wins a starting job. By the time Harvey arrives in 2025, most likely one of the 3 MB's on the 2024 roster will probably have decided to move on, especially if it's Ames who wins out. Nebraska on the other hand, has 2 youngish MB's with 1-2 seasons of collegiate experience; they'll likely be starters for the rest of their collegiate careers at Nebraska. In some ways, that's more of "log jam" than at Texas when you consider matches played.
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Post by crazyfan on Jan 4, 2024 19:29:51 GMT -5
Harvey > Ames Ames gonna ride da bench. Why do I think this opinion is based on Ames decommitting from Nebraska? I am sure this has been covered but anyone know WHY this happened? Is it because Nebraska is so young in the middle and Texas would have some “openings” next season with seniors graduating or is there a different reason she made this decisions?
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Post by crazyfan on Jan 4, 2024 19:31:02 GMT -5
Why do I think this opinion is based on Ames decommitting from Nebraska? I am sure this has been covered but anyone know WHY this happened? Is it because Nebraska is so young in the middle and Texas would have some “openings” next season with seniors graduating or is there a different reason she made this decisions? I see someone just answered in the thread before I posted! Sorry everyone.
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Post by katn on Jan 4, 2024 19:33:00 GMT -5
Why do I think this opinion is based on Ames decommitting from Nebraska? No, harvey is just good. Ames might not see much court time. bye felicia
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Post by babybacksets on Jan 4, 2024 19:55:05 GMT -5
Maybe Ames and Harvey would have preferred to watch a Nebraska vs Creighton game instead of Omaha 🤭
Or maybe playing indoor volleyball outdoors wasn’t as impressive as some thought it would be..
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Post by jwvolley on Jan 4, 2024 20:09:05 GMT -5
Maybe Ames and Harvey would have preferred to watch a Nebraska vs Creighton game instead of Omaha 🤭 Or maybe playing indoor volleyball outdoors wasn’t as impressive as some thought it would be.. Or decisions about the next 4-5 years of their lives were not made solely based on their experiences at a singular event, incredible as it was.
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Post by braque on Jan 4, 2024 20:14:09 GMT -5
My response was to the idea that being in that environment would automatically solidify a player attending Nebraska. I was offering a counter-reason to that. Also really unsure why you are being so condescending towards me. Truly just processing some thoughts. But that's not what you said. It obviously didn't solidify those two players to Nebraska. It was still an amazing event for volleyball and for recruiting (and for women's sports overall). It just wasn't enough compared to what Texas had to offer. What Texas had to offer is the realm of speculation, just like all recruitments, really. For me my condescension feels less like it's directed at you - because you're awesome - and more to the point you're trying to make. Talking about someone with social anxiety/performance issues deciding The University of Texas at Austin is exactly the environment they're seeking out to avoid those kinds of triggers seems beyond silly to me. I'd be responding the same way regardless of who made the point. I realize from your response that you feel personally attacked by me in some way, but this is how I respond to everyone. I've responded this way to all my favorite posters when they've made what I consider a bad point. And that's nothing compared to how I respond to people in real life. People seek out the University of Texas because they're not scared of the challenge. ESPECIALLY the volleyball program. I cannot imagine Elliott would extend a scholarship offer to a player who was truly scared of performing in a big time environment. I certainly hope he wouldn't. That's just asking for someone to have mental health issues. It's a non issue. You backtracked some by saying you're throwing it out there as a generality and hypothetical, but you didn't actually throw it out as a generality or a hypothetical. You threw it out specifically in reference to Ames and Harvey, while describing it as a reason they possibly chose Texas over Nebraska. I found it an absurd point when you first posited it, and I haven't changed my impression since then. I don't know why they eventually chose Texas over Nebraska, but I feel highly confident manifesting social anxiety/performance issues after attending the match at Memorial Stadium wasn't it. Otherwise they absolutely would have chosen some place other than Texas. 1,000 pages by March
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Post by hornshouse23 on Jan 4, 2024 20:23:52 GMT -5
Bc you have a log jam at mb right now. LOL A "log jam" of young middle blockers with barely any collegiate experience among Singletary and Bunton. Incoming freshman Ames will get her chance to compete with them for about 7 months until someone wins a starting job. By the time Harvey arrives in 2025, most likely one of the 3 MB's on the 2024 roster will probably have decided to move on, especially if it's Ames who wins out. Nebraska on the other hand, has 2 youngish MB's with 1-2 seasons of collegiate experience; they'll likely be starters for the rest of their collegiate careers at Nebraska. In some ways, that's more of "log jam" than at Texas when you consider matches played. I feel like people forget… log jams always seem to in-jam themselves. Whether it’s red shirts, slows development, breakout freshman, injuries, transfers… that’s players aren’t afraid to compete for their place. Things usually seem to work themselves out.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Jan 4, 2024 20:25:42 GMT -5
Maybe Ames and Harvey would have preferred to watch a Nebraska vs Creighton game instead of Omaha 🤭 Or maybe playing indoor volleyball outdoors wasn’t as impressive as some thought it would be.. Or decisions about the next 4-5 years of their lives were not made solely based on their experiences at a singular event, incredible as it was. If there was a takeaway from that match, maybe it was seeing how things played out with CJ
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Post by horns1 on Jan 4, 2024 20:54:47 GMT -5
Harvey's rankings:
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 4, 2024 21:05:31 GMT -5
Why do I think this opinion is based on Ames decommitting from Nebraska? I am sure this has been covered but anyone know WHY this happened? Is it because Nebraska is so young in the middle and Texas would have some “openings” next season with seniors graduating or is there a different reason she made this decisions? Someone will correct if I missed it, but I haven't seen any statement from her stating her exact reason. The one that is speculated most is playing time as you just wrote. However those middles were already at Nebraska or committed to Nebraska when she committed. One could also speculate that she might have wanted to play closer to home. Or perhaps she saw changes to one or both programs since she committed that caused her to now prefer going to Texas. Or perhaps just the time between her commitment and signing day changed what she wanted out of college.
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