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Post by mln59 on Aug 5, 2024 11:21:12 GMT -5
posting so this shows up in my participated tab
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Aug 5, 2024 12:58:23 GMT -5
posting so this shows up in my participated tab You know you can just bookmark the thread, right?
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Post by mln59 on Aug 5, 2024 13:20:23 GMT -5
posting so this shows up in my participated tab You know you can just bookmark the thread, right? i could do that. i still need it in my participated tab
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Post by hookem1 on Aug 8, 2024 12:49:11 GMT -5
After being one of the best players in the state as a junior last year, I’m excited to see how Spears can even further raise her level of play to lead her PCA team. Hopefully continuing to elevate her level of passing, because she’s offensively already been banging for two seasons. Although they lost a lot, they are still loaded and can definitely win another title.
They lost Young (TCU) and Livings (USC) on the pins, Washington (Kentucky) in the middle, and Edwards (Michigan) at setter. However, they bring back 2025s Cook (Kansas) at setter, Pitts (Houston) at Libero, and Clarke (Princeton) at opposite along with Spears of course. Plus they have the three younger Livings sisters (‘27 and ‘28) who are all talented and physical (Nya, Nyla, and Naomi). Lastly they also added a young setter Anya Baklenko who moved in from California and is highly regarded, having camped at Wisconsin.
Didn’t mean for this to become a PCA preview but I guess it is now!
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Post by austinhorn21 on Aug 8, 2024 14:19:13 GMT -5
After being one of the best players in the state as a junior last year, I’m excited to see how Spears can even further raise her level of play to lead her PCA team. Hopefully continuing to elevate her level of passing, because she’s offensively already been banging for two seasons. Although they lost a lot, they are still loaded and can definitely win another title. They lost Young (TCU) and Livings (USC) on the pins, Washington (Kentucky) in the middle, and Edwards (Michigan) at setter. However, they bring back 2025s Cook (Kansas) at setter, Pitts (Houston) at Libero, and Clarke (Princeton) at opposite along with Spears of course. Plus they have the three younger Livings sisters (‘27 and ‘28) who are all talented and physical (Nya, Nyla, and Naomi). Lastly they also added a young setter Anya Baklenko who moved in from California and is highly regarded, having camped at Wisconsin. Didn’t mean for this to become a PCA preview but I guess it is now! pretty sure they will be in Central Texas playing at the Volleypalooza tournament at the end of the month. They were in it last year.
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Post by biodogtexas on Aug 11, 2024 22:52:27 GMT -5
she can have a redshirt year and a medical redshirt year. One doesn’t take the place of the other. That’s how Kayla Caffey got 7 years (2016: redshirt year Missouri, 2018: medical redshirt year with Missouri, 2020-2021 covid year with Nebraska). It's a common misconception. The basic fundamental is you have 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility. Redshirt is a term used to describe a year not spent in competition so as not to use one of the four years of eligibility, while still staying within the five years of being able to compete. What we use to describe "redshirting" and "medical redshirt" are not literally defined that way by the NCAA. But the way we use those terms are simply different ways of complying with the 5 years to complete 4. A traditional redshirt is when the athlete simply doesn't compete for a year. A medical redshirt is the term used to describe when a player suffers an injury early enough in a season where they're granted an exception because of the injury. There is a formula applied that's known in advance by all parties. For example, Alexis Stucky for Florida has already been granted a medical redshirt for last season because she only appeared in 9 matches, which fits the formula the NCAA uses to determine a medical redshirt. The NCAA didn't get involved in giving her the medical redshirt. That was done at the conference level applying the formula set out for all athletes. What Caffey was given was a medical waiver. This is not the same thing as a medical redshirt. It's not possible to get both a redshirt year AND a medical redshirt year. It's one or the other. Really, it's simply a redshirt year, but given either because the athlete didn't play, or they suffered an injury early enough in the season to successfully apply in their case. The medical waiver is applied for to the NCAA - not the conference offices like a medical redshirt is - and is only done AFTER a player has exhausted their 5 years of eligibility. Not before. A medical redshirt is applied for to the conference office right after the season is over, and is rubber stamped based on whether they qualify under the formula or not. When the NCAA started granting medical waivers they were much harsher whether it would be granted or not. The application was - and still is, for that matter - a black box, with it not obvious who is on the committee making the decisions, or why they come to the conclusion they come to. It used to be that an athlete really had to lose two full seasons to injury, plus their redshirt year - so three full seasons out of the 5 years that were lost one way or another. In the last decade or so it's pretty universal an athlete simply needs to lose one year to injury, plus their redshirt year, whatever the cause, and they'll be granted a 6th year of eligibility for a medical waiver. In the above example of Alexis Stucky, at this point she will not be granted a medical waiver at the end of her eligibility, because she's getting a medical redshirt. If, on the other hand - and I'm not trying to manifest anything here - she were to lose another full season due to injury, then she would almost certainly be granted a 6th year of eligibility. This is true whether it's a new injury, or it simply takes her a full season to recover and she'd not able to play this year. Not saying any of that is going to happen. Just using it as an example of how the process is applied. It can get confusing not only because we use terms incorrectly in common parlance, but also because the NCAA can grant waivers for all kinds of reasons. For example, Lauenstein will likely be granted a 6th year of eligiblity because of her pregnancy. Student athletes who participate in a mission trip - most commonly applied to Mormons, but it's not specific - also have their years of eligibility extended. Or more accurately, those years do not count towards their 5 years. Either or. Also, football now has a special rule where players are able to participate and still earn a redshirt if they play in fewer in than 4 games in a season. I have a personal relationship with a student athlete who was granted a redshirt even though they played 10 minutes their freshman season, even though the rule is pretty cut and dried that she shouldn't have been able to be classified as a redshirt. Nonetheless, even with all the waivers and exceptions regarding redshirts and rules of eligibility - and I have a strong feeling we'll see some changes along with all the other changes coming down the pike for college sports - the basic fundamental of 5 years to play 4, and how the terms redshirt and medical redshirt apply to that fundamental rule, haven't really changed all that much for decades. It's simply that we've confused the terms on message boards and various watercooler dialogues to change the meaning of the terms, and to use them interchangeably for circumstances they don't really apply to. I hope that makes some sense. This is not correct based on my (double-checked) reading of the rules. www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D124.pdf - page 55, section 12.8.1.7 Every athlete has a 5-year clock of 5 calendar years (60 months) from the date of their first day of classes to compete in 4 seasons of competion. The common use of the term "redshirt" is actually just what we call not using a season of competition in a given year. That's all true. However, I don't know why you're drawing this technical distinction between "medical redshirts" and "medical waivers". They aren't two different things. As you mention, "Redshirts" aren't defined by the NCAA in any way, they're just slang terms for not playing due to some reason. A "medical redshirt" is the season you didn't play due to injury that would justify the medical waiver allowing for an extension to your 6-year clock. The conferences don't have much to do with the process. They can confrim that a season doesn't count, and they can confirm the season was missed due to a medical reason. But there is no conference process for a "medical redshirt" that is distinct from the NCAA "medical waiver" process. They are not two separate things that affect your eligibility differently. To clarify, Once a atudent athlete reaches the end of their 5 year clock without having used all 4 seasons of eligibility, they have some options to file a waiver. One of those waivers is the "12.8.1.7 - Five-Year Rule Waiver". An athlete is eligible for this waiver if... "(a) The student-athlete did not use a season of intercollegiate competition due to an institutional decision to redshirt the student-athlete... and the student-athlete was deprived of the opportunity to participate in intercollegiate competition in one other season due to circumstances beyond the control of the student-athlete or institution. (The use of this provision is limited to one time in astudent-athlete's period of eligibility); or
(b) The student-athlete is deprived of the opportunity to participate for more than one season in his or her sport within the five-year period of eligibility for reasons that are beyond the control of the student-athlete or the institution""Circumstances beyond the control of the student-athlete or institution" are defined as "(a) Situations clearly supported by contemporaneous medical documentation, which states that a student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate competition as a result of incapacitating physical or mental circumstances;"The way the rule is written says that if Nya Bunton reaches the end of her 5 year clock and has only played 3 seasons, missing any 1 season due to injury and any other season due to a coach's decision to not play, she will by rule be eligible for a 6th year to play a fourth season. To put it simply, they absolutely can go back and say last year was a "medical redshirt" and this year is a "normal redshirt" in this hypothetical scenario. Since Covid, pretty much all of the rules have been rewritten to allow student athletes to complete 4 "healthy" seasons in addition to a "redshirt" year. Any additional years they have to grant players to allow that will pretty much be granted.
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Post by slxpress on Aug 12, 2024 1:04:08 GMT -5
It's a common misconception. The basic fundamental is you have 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility. Redshirt is a term used to describe a year not spent in competition so as not to use one of the four years of eligibility, while still staying within the five years of being able to compete. What we use to describe "redshirting" and "medical redshirt" are not literally defined that way by the NCAA. But the way we use those terms are simply different ways of complying with the 5 years to complete 4. A traditional redshirt is when the athlete simply doesn't compete for a year. A medical redshirt is the term used to describe when a player suffers an injury early enough in a season where they're granted an exception because of the injury. There is a formula applied that's known in advance by all parties. For example, Alexis Stucky for Florida has already been granted a medical redshirt for last season because she only appeared in 9 matches, which fits the formula the NCAA uses to determine a medical redshirt. The NCAA didn't get involved in giving her the medical redshirt. That was done at the conference level applying the formula set out for all athletes. What Caffey was given was a medical waiver. This is not the same thing as a medical redshirt. It's not possible to get both a redshirt year AND a medical redshirt year. It's one or the other. Really, it's simply a redshirt year, but given either because the athlete didn't play, or they suffered an injury early enough in the season to successfully apply in their case. The medical waiver is applied for to the NCAA - not the conference offices like a medical redshirt is - and is only done AFTER a player has exhausted their 5 years of eligibility. Not before. A medical redshirt is applied for to the conference office right after the season is over, and is rubber stamped based on whether they qualify under the formula or not. When the NCAA started granting medical waivers they were much harsher whether it would be granted or not. The application was - and still is, for that matter - a black box, with it not obvious who is on the committee making the decisions, or why they come to the conclusion they come to. It used to be that an athlete really had to lose two full seasons to injury, plus their redshirt year - so three full seasons out of the 5 years that were lost one way or another. In the last decade or so it's pretty universal an athlete simply needs to lose one year to injury, plus their redshirt year, whatever the cause, and they'll be granted a 6th year of eligibility for a medical waiver. In the above example of Alexis Stucky, at this point she will not be granted a medical waiver at the end of her eligibility, because she's getting a medical redshirt. If, on the other hand - and I'm not trying to manifest anything here - she were to lose another full season due to injury, then she would almost certainly be granted a 6th year of eligibility. This is true whether it's a new injury, or it simply takes her a full season to recover and she'd not able to play this year. Not saying any of that is going to happen. Just using it as an example of how the process is applied. It can get confusing not only because we use terms incorrectly in common parlance, but also because the NCAA can grant waivers for all kinds of reasons. For example, Lauenstein will likely be granted a 6th year of eligiblity because of her pregnancy. Student athletes who participate in a mission trip - most commonly applied to Mormons, but it's not specific - also have their years of eligibility extended. Or more accurately, those years do not count towards their 5 years. Either or. Also, football now has a special rule where players are able to participate and still earn a redshirt if they play in fewer in than 4 games in a season. I have a personal relationship with a student athlete who was granted a redshirt even though they played 10 minutes their freshman season, even though the rule is pretty cut and dried that she shouldn't have been able to be classified as a redshirt. Nonetheless, even with all the waivers and exceptions regarding redshirts and rules of eligibility - and I have a strong feeling we'll see some changes along with all the other changes coming down the pike for college sports - the basic fundamental of 5 years to play 4, and how the terms redshirt and medical redshirt apply to that fundamental rule, haven't really changed all that much for decades. It's simply that we've confused the terms on message boards and various watercooler dialogues to change the meaning of the terms, and to use them interchangeably for circumstances they don't really apply to. I hope that makes some sense. This is not correct based on my (double-checked) reading of the rules. www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D124.pdf - page 55, section 12.8.1.7 Every athlete has a 5-year clock of 5 calendar years (60 months) from the date of their first day of classes to compete in 4 seasons of competion. The common use of the term "redshirt" is actually just what we call not using a season of competition in a given year. That's all true. However, I don't know why you're drawing this technical distinction between "medical redshirts" and "medical waivers". They aren't two different things. As you mention, "Redshirts" aren't defined by the NCAA in any way, they're just slang terms for not playing due to some reason. A "medical redshirt" is the season you didn't play due to injury that would justify the medical waiver allowing for an extension to your 6-year clock. The conferences don't have much to do with the process. They can confrim that a season doesn't count, and they can confirm the season was missed due to a medical reason. But there is no conference process for a "medical redshirt" that is distinct from the NCAA "medical waiver" process. They are not two separate things that affect your eligibility differently. To clarify, Once a atudent athlete reaches the end of their 5 year clock without having used all 4 seasons of eligibility, they have some options to file a waiver. One of those waivers is the "12.8.1.7 - Five-Year Rule Waiver". An athlete is eligible for this waiver if... "(a) The student-athlete did not use a season of intercollegiate competition due to an institutional decision to redshirt the student-athlete... and the student-athlete was deprived of the opportunity to participate in intercollegiate competition in one other season due to circumstances beyond the control of the student-athlete or institution. (The use of this provision is limited to one time in astudent-athlete's period of eligibility); or
(b) The student-athlete is deprived of the opportunity to participate for more than one season in his or her sport within the five-year period of eligibility for reasons that are beyond the control of the student-athlete or the institution""Circumstances beyond the control of the student-athlete or institution" are defined as "(a) Situations clearly supported by contemporaneous medical documentation, which states that a student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate competition as a result of incapacitating physical or mental circumstances;"The way the rule is written says that if Nya Bunton reaches the end of her 5 year clock and has only played 3 seasons, missing any 1 season due to injury and any other season due to a coach's decision to not play, she will by rule be eligible for a 6th year to play a fourth season. To put it simply, they absolutely can go back and say last year was a "medical redshirt" and this year is a "normal redshirt" in this hypothetical scenario. Since Covid, pretty much all of the rules have been rewritten to allow student athletes to complete 4 "healthy" seasons in addition to a "redshirt" year. Any additional years they have to grant players to allow that will pretty much be granted. We’re still talking about two different things. A redshirt is a season of eligibility granted to the student right after the season is over. A waiver is granted after the 5 year period of eligibility is over. What I said is that you don’t get both a redshirt year for being held out of competition, and then a medical redshirt for being injured part way through the next season. The player would only be granted the one redshirt year. There’s not an additional redshirt year granted because of injury. There IS a medical waiver granted after the 5 year clock has ended. As you’re citing here, that’s pretty much always granted if they lose a year of competition. But it’s STILL granted AFTER the 5 years are completed. A medical redshirt is immediately granted after the season is over AS LONG AS THE PLAYER HASN’T ALREADY USED A REDSHIRT. So there’s one redshirt year, whether a medical redshirt or a standard redshirt, and there’s one medical waiver year granted after the 5 year clock has ended. What there isn’t is a redshirt year, then a medical redshirt year, and then a medical waiver year. There’s only one redshirt year regardless of how it’s obtained. The difference between the redshirt and the waiver is that the redshirt is granted after the season. The waiver is granted after the 5 years of eligibility has been exhausted. Does that make sense?
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Post by biodogtexas on Aug 12, 2024 1:37:29 GMT -5
This is not correct based on my (double-checked) reading of the rules. www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D124.pdf - page 55, section 12.8.1.7 Every athlete has a 5-year clock of 5 calendar years (60 months) from the date of their first day of classes to compete in 4 seasons of competion. The common use of the term "redshirt" is actually just what we call not using a season of competition in a given year. That's all true. However, I don't know why you're drawing this technical distinction between "medical redshirts" and "medical waivers". They aren't two different things. As you mention, "Redshirts" aren't defined by the NCAA in any way, they're just slang terms for not playing due to some reason. A "medical redshirt" is the season you didn't play due to injury that would justify the medical waiver allowing for an extension to your 6-year clock. The conferences don't have much to do with the process. They can confrim that a season doesn't count, and they can confirm the season was missed due to a medical reason. But there is no conference process for a "medical redshirt" that is distinct from the NCAA "medical waiver" process. They are not two separate things that affect your eligibility differently. To clarify, Once a atudent athlete reaches the end of their 5 year clock without having used all 4 seasons of eligibility, they have some options to file a waiver. One of those waivers is the "12.8.1.7 - Five-Year Rule Waiver". An athlete is eligible for this waiver if... "(a) The student-athlete did not use a season of intercollegiate competition due to an institutional decision to redshirt the student-athlete... and the student-athlete was deprived of the opportunity to participate in intercollegiate competition in one other season due to circumstances beyond the control of the student-athlete or institution. (The use of this provision is limited to one time in astudent-athlete's period of eligibility); or
(b) The student-athlete is deprived of the opportunity to participate for more than one season in his or her sport within the five-year period of eligibility for reasons that are beyond the control of the student-athlete or the institution""Circumstances beyond the control of the student-athlete or institution" are defined as "(a) Situations clearly supported by contemporaneous medical documentation, which states that a student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate competition as a result of incapacitating physical or mental circumstances;"The way the rule is written says that if Nya Bunton reaches the end of her 5 year clock and has only played 3 seasons, missing any 1 season due to injury and any other season due to a coach's decision to not play, she will by rule be eligible for a 6th year to play a fourth season. To put it simply, they absolutely can go back and say last year was a "medical redshirt" and this year is a "normal redshirt" in this hypothetical scenario. Since Covid, pretty much all of the rules have been rewritten to allow student athletes to complete 4 "healthy" seasons in addition to a "redshirt" year. Any additional years they have to grant players to allow that will pretty much be granted. We’re still talking about two different things. A redshirt is a season of eligibility granted to the student right after the season is over. A waiver is granted after the 5 year period of eligibility is over. What I said is that you don’t get both a redshirt year for being held out of competition, and then a medical redshirt for being injured part way through the next season. The player would only be granted the one redshirt year. There’s not an additional redshirt year granted because of injury. There IS a medical waiver granted after the 5 year clock has ended. As you’re citing here, that’s pretty much always granted if they lose a year of competition. But it’s STILL granted AFTER the 5 years are completed. A medical redshirt is immediately granted after the season is over AS LONG AS THE PLAYER HASN’T ALREADY USED A REDSHIRT. So there’s one redshirt year, whether a medical redshirt or a standard redshirt, and there’s one medical waiver year granted after the 5 year clock has ended. What there isn’t is a redshirt year, then a medical redshirt year, and then a medical waiver year. There’s only one redshirt year regardless of how it’s obtained. The difference between the redshirt and the waiver is that the redshirt is granted after the season. The waiver is granted after the 5 years of eligibility has been exhausted. Does that make sense? There is no distinct medical redshirt given to the athlete after the season is over. That's not a thing and it's incorrect. There are no seasons granted, it's just the 5 year clock to play 4 seasons. As you yourself pointed out, Redshirts are a slang term, they don't really exist. You can't grant something that doesn't exist. The only thing that would happen after a season is people saying that yes, missing this season could eventually qualify you for a medical redshirt if you have another season in which you also "redshirted". You're playing with and mixing definitions in a very confusing way that doesn't seem accurate. There is the "normal redshirt" year we are all familiar with where you just didn't play. The "medical redshirt" year is when you don't play due to a season ending injury. A "waiver year" is that extra 6th year you can come back for becasue you were granted a medical (or other) waiver based on that "medical redshirt" year. So yes, you can have all 3. To put in other terms, All athletes get 4 seasons and 1 redshirt (of any kind). You can get a 6th year extension to your eligibility clock if you have one medical redshirt in addition to some other kind of redshirt to allow you to play a 4th season.
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Post by slxpress on Aug 12, 2024 9:35:08 GMT -5
We’re still talking about two different things. A redshirt is a season of eligibility granted to the student right after the season is over. A waiver is granted after the 5 year period of eligibility is over. What I said is that you don’t get both a redshirt year for being held out of competition, and then a medical redshirt for being injured part way through the next season. The player would only be granted the one redshirt year. There’s not an additional redshirt year granted because of injury. There IS a medical waiver granted after the 5 year clock has ended. As you’re citing here, that’s pretty much always granted if they lose a year of competition. But it’s STILL granted AFTER the 5 years are completed. A medical redshirt is immediately granted after the season is over AS LONG AS THE PLAYER HASN’T ALREADY USED A REDSHIRT. So there’s one redshirt year, whether a medical redshirt or a standard redshirt, and there’s one medical waiver year granted after the 5 year clock has ended. What there isn’t is a redshirt year, then a medical redshirt year, and then a medical waiver year. There’s only one redshirt year regardless of how it’s obtained. The difference between the redshirt and the waiver is that the redshirt is granted after the season. The waiver is granted after the 5 years of eligibility has been exhausted. Does that make sense? There is no distinct medical redshirt given to the athlete after the season is over. That's not a thing and it's incorrect. There are no seasons granted, it's just the 5 year clock to play 4 seasons. As you yourself pointed out, Redshirts are a slang term, they don't really exist. You can't grant something that doesn't exist. The only thing that would happen after a season is people saying that yes, missing this season could eventually qualify you for a medical redshirt if you have another season in which you also "redshirted". You're playing with and mixing definitions in a very confusing way that doesn't seem accurate. There is the "normal redshirt" year we are all familiar with where you just didn't play. The "medical redshirt" year is when you don't play due to a season ending injury. A "waiver year" is that extra 6th year you can come back for becasue you were granted a medical (or other) waiver based on that "medical redshirt" year. So yes, you can have all 3. To put in other terms, All athletes get 4 seasons and 1 redshirt (of any kind). You can get a 6th year extension to your eligibility clock if you have one medical redshirt in addition to some other kind of redshirt to allow you to play a 4th season. I don’t understand how you can type all that out and still get it wrong in the end. No, you can’t get all three. There’s no such thing as getting a redshirt year, then a medical redshirt year, and then a medical waiver on top of all that. Everything else you typed is 100% correct, so it baffles me you can get everything else right and then miss the basic point. And yes, redshirt is a slang term, but it’s common parlance. When we confuse a medical redshirt - a year of eligibility given right after the season - with a medical waiver - a year of eligibility given to the student athlete after their 5 year window has expired - that’s where the confusion comes in.
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Post by biodogtexas on Aug 12, 2024 15:31:33 GMT -5
There is no distinct medical redshirt given to the athlete after the season is over. That's not a thing and it's incorrect. There are no seasons granted, it's just the 5 year clock to play 4 seasons. As you yourself pointed out, Redshirts are a slang term, they don't really exist. You can't grant something that doesn't exist. The only thing that would happen after a season is people saying that yes, missing this season could eventually qualify you for a medical redshirt if you have another season in which you also "redshirted". You're playing with and mixing definitions in a very confusing way that doesn't seem accurate. There is the "normal redshirt" year we are all familiar with where you just didn't play. The "medical redshirt" year is when you don't play due to a season ending injury. A "waiver year" is that extra 6th year you can come back for becasue you were granted a medical (or other) waiver based on that "medical redshirt" year. So yes, you can have all 3. To put in other terms, All athletes get 4 seasons and 1 redshirt (of any kind). You can get a 6th year extension to your eligibility clock if you have one medical redshirt in addition to some other kind of redshirt to allow you to play a 4th season. I don’t understand how you can type all that out and still get it wrong in the end. No, you can’t get all three. There’s no such thing as getting a redshirt year, then a medical redshirt year, and then a medical waiver on top of all that. Everything else you typed is 100% correct, so it baffles me you can get everything else right and then miss the basic point. And yes, redshirt is a slang term, but it’s common parlance. When we confuse a medical redshirt - a year of eligibility given right after the season - with a medical waiver - a year of eligibility given to the student athlete after their 5 year window has expired - that’s where the confusion comes in. There are no years of eligibility granted right after the season.
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Post by slxpress on Aug 12, 2024 16:29:01 GMT -5
I don’t understand how you can type all that out and still get it wrong in the end. No, you can’t get all three. There’s no such thing as getting a redshirt year, then a medical redshirt year, and then a medical waiver on top of all that. Everything else you typed is 100% correct, so it baffles me you can get everything else right and then miss the basic point. And yes, redshirt is a slang term, but it’s common parlance. When we confuse a medical redshirt - a year of eligibility given right after the season - with a medical waiver - a year of eligibility given to the student athlete after their 5 year window has expired - that’s where the confusion comes in. There are no years of eligibility granted right after the season. There certainly is. That’s why someone is listed as a redshirt. Particularly someone who suffered a season ending injury. Either a season counts against their 4 years in 5 to participate in or it doesn’t. Then at the end of the 5 years it’s determined if another year can be granted. Here’s the alternative. I come to campus as a student athlete. I do not compete my freshman year. I’m listed as a sophomore on the depth chart my second year. After my fourth year I apply to the NCAA to get my eligibility returned to me from the freshman season I didn’t compete in. I’ve actually known people where that happened, but it’s because there were extenuating questions about their eligibility in that freshman year. But normally there aren’t questions and so the year of eligibility is extended. Alexis Stucky for Florida is an example this year for volleyball. CJ Baxter for Texas football is an example. He’ll be granted a year of eligibility immediately and will return next year as a redshirt sophomore, even though the reason for the redshirt is an injury. If either player suffers another injury, or if this injury keeps them out for multiple seasons, they will not be granted an automatic year of eligibility. They will then have to apply for a waiver which will only be granted after the 5 year period for eligibility is up. Now, as you e pointed out the waiver will almost certainly be granted, but it will still have to be applied for. That’s the difference. The redshirt year is calculated immediately. The waiver is calculated after the 5 year mark. You cannot have both a redshirt year, AND a medical redshirt year, AND a waiver. If either Alexis Stucky or CJ Baxter had redshirted their freshman year, they would not be granted an additional medical redshirt, and then if they miss multiple seasons also be granted a medical waiver. In that case they’d receive the initial redshirt year, then after the 5 years expires apply for a medical waiver year, and they would be granted one year of eligibility beyond the initial 5 years. But in no case would they be given a redshirt, a medical redshirt, AND a medical waiver. I feel so much like I’m talking in circles and just keep repeating the same thing over and over again. I do not understand why this does not compute for you.
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Post by biodogtexas on Aug 12, 2024 19:51:26 GMT -5
There are no years of eligibility granted right after the season. There certainly is. That’s why someone is listed as a redshirt. Particularly someone who suffered a season ending injury. Either a season counts against their 4 years in 5 to participate in or it doesn’t. Then at the end of the 5 years it’s determined if another year can be granted. Here’s the alternative. I come to campus as a student athlete. I do not compete my freshman year. I’m listed as a sophomore on the depth chart my second year. After my fourth year I apply to the NCAA to get my eligibility returned to me from the freshman season I didn’t compete in. I’ve actually known people where that happened, but it’s because there were extenuating questions about their eligibility in that freshman year. But normally there aren’t questions and so the year of eligibility is extended. Alexis Stucky for Florida is an example this year for volleyball. CJ Baxter for Texas football is an example. He’ll be granted a year of eligibility immediately and will return next year as a redshirt sophomore, even though the reason for the redshirt is an injury. If either player suffers another injury, or if this injury keeps them out for multiple seasons, they will not be granted an automatic year of eligibility. They will then have to apply for a waiver which will only be granted after the 5 year period for eligibility is up. Now, as you e pointed out the waiver will almost certainly be granted, but it will still have to be applied for. That’s the difference. The redshirt year is calculated immediately. The waiver is calculated after the 5 year mark. You cannot have both a redshirt year, AND a medical redshirt year, AND a waiver. If either Alexis Stucky or CJ Baxter had redshirted their freshman year, they would not be granted an additional medical redshirt, and then if they miss multiple seasons also be granted a medical waiver. In that case they’d receive the initial redshirt year, then after the 5 years expires apply for a medical waiver year, and they would be granted one year of eligibility beyond the initial 5 years. But in no case would they be given a redshirt, a medical redshirt, AND a medical waiver. I feel so much like I’m talking in circles and just keep repeating the same thing over and over again. I do not understand why this does not compute for you. It's not that it doesn't compute. It's that you're wrong. But you're very entrenched in this idea. So... I've said what i can. I'll just say that how student athletes are listed on the roster as "redshirt" whatever or not is not reflective of any official process whatsoever. It's pretty arbitrary.
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