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Post by dodger on Aug 12, 2024 20:31:44 GMT -5
There certainly is. That’s why someone is listed as a redshirt. Particularly someone who suffered a season ending injury. Either a season counts against their 4 years in 5 to participate in or it doesn’t. Then at the end of the 5 years it’s determined if another year can be granted. Here’s the alternative. I come to campus as a student athlete. I do not compete my freshman year. I’m listed as a sophomore on the depth chart my second year. After my fourth year I apply to the NCAA to get my eligibility returned to me from the freshman season I didn’t compete in. I’ve actually known people where that happened, but it’s because there were extenuating questions about their eligibility in that freshman year. But normally there aren’t questions and so the year of eligibility is extended. Alexis Stucky for Florida is an example this year for volleyball. CJ Baxter for Texas football is an example. He’ll be granted a year of eligibility immediately and will return next year as a redshirt sophomore, even though the reason for the redshirt is an injury. If either player suffers another injury, or if this injury keeps them out for multiple seasons, they will not be granted an automatic year of eligibility. They will then have to apply for a waiver which will only be granted after the 5 year period for eligibility is up. Now, as you e pointed out the waiver will almost certainly be granted, but it will still have to be applied for. That’s the difference. The redshirt year is calculated immediately. The waiver is calculated after the 5 year mark. You cannot have both a redshirt year, AND a medical redshirt year, AND a waiver. If either Alexis Stucky or CJ Baxter had redshirted their freshman year, they would not be granted an additional medical redshirt, and then if they miss multiple seasons also be granted a medical waiver. In that case they’d receive the initial redshirt year, then after the 5 years expires apply for a medical waiver year, and they would be granted one year of eligibility beyond the initial 5 years. But in no case would they be given a redshirt, a medical redshirt, AND a medical waiver. I feel so much like I’m talking in circles and just keep repeating the same thing over and over again. I do not understand why this does not compute for you. It's not that it doesn't compute. It's that you're wrong. But you're very entrenched in this idea. So... I've said what i can. I'll just say that how student athletes are listed on the roster as "redshirt" whatever or not is not reflective of any official process whatsoever. It's pretty arbitrary. I am confused so here are three scenario's that have and do occur: 1) i practice my first year , but no competition: I practice and play in competitions, for the next three years. So i have practiced for 4 years but only competed for 3 : i am eligible for another year of competition. My school completes the proper form and submits to conference and i practice and play my 5th year in school. This scenario is commonly called “redshirting”. 2) i practice my first year and i compete but have a season emding injury; but only a few games and only in the first half of the season. My school tells me that this will not count as a year of eligibility. I then recover and practice and play the next three years. At the end of the 4th season my school turns in the appropriate forms and my conference grants me another year of eligibility because i didn't participate in enough contests during my first year for that year to count as one of my years of eligibility! This scenario commonly gets called a Medical Redshirt. 3) i practice my first year but do not play: no year of eligibility used . I practice and play my second year : i practice and play my third year but i am injured in the first month of my third year after only playing in a few games and matches. I meet the definition for not counting as a year of eligibility. I recover and practice and play my fourth year. My team fills out the form for my freshman year when i did not play and use my 5th year because i didnt compete my freshman year. So i het a fifth year. My freshman year was what we call redshirt. I play my fifth year and at the end of the year my school turns in the proper forms for my injured year and i am granted a 6th year because my third year does not count as a year of eligibility! My freshman year was my “red shirt year” and my junior year is an additional year above the 5 year limit. The school petitions for your third year not to count and grant an additional year. but unless its a very strange circumstance its almost always automatic. What you want ro call this year is what i think your debating. Agreed that terminology here gets blurry here, but these are circumstances. You can get more than 6 years using medical reasons and meeting lack of competitions in a year. And the “red shirt year” does not have to be the freshman year: thats just the most commonly occurring example.
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Post by hookem1 on Aug 12, 2024 20:41:02 GMT -5
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Post by horns1 on Aug 12, 2024 20:50:18 GMT -5
I can't wait until this long, drawn out recent topic has concluded; not even sure it's related to recruiting which is the topic of this thread. The only transfer who we as fans don't know for sure how much eligibility she may have remaining is Lauenstein, and at the most, she has 2 seasons.
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Post by slxpress on Aug 12, 2024 23:14:33 GMT -5
I can't wait until this long, drawn out recent topic has concluded; not even sure it's related to recruiting which is the topic of this thread. The only transfer who we as fans don't know for sure how much eligibility she may have remaining is Lauenstein, and at the most, she has 2 seasons. I'd say at the least she has 2 seasons. She's listed as a redshirt junior. There's a chance she'd be given another year of eligibility due to her pregnancy. But that's not related to anything being discussed. Pregnancies and mission trips have their own category. A student athlete can miss up to two years for a mission trip and not have it counted towards their eligibility timer. A pregnancy can exclude a year of the eligibility timer.
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Post by stevehorn on Aug 13, 2024 8:28:56 GMT -5
I can't wait until this long, drawn out recent topic has concluded; not even sure it's related to recruiting which is the topic of this thread. The only transfer who we as fans don't know for sure how much eligibility she may have remaining is Lauenstein, and at the most, she has 2 seasons. I'd say at the least she has 2 seasons. She's listed as a redshirt junior. There's a chance she'd be given another year of eligibility due to her pregnancy. But that's not related to anything being discussed. Pregnancies and mission trips have their own category. A student athlete can miss up to two years for a mission trip and not have it counted towards their eligibility timer. A pregnancy can exclude a year of the eligibility timer. She had played two seasons so she has used two years of eligibility and has two years of eligibility left. Her pregnancy has no impact on the years of eligibility so she won't get another one. Her pregnancy only impacts the number of years she has remaining to use those two years of eligibility. If she was granted the pregnancy waiver for last season, then she would have three years left to play two so she would have a redshirt year left. If she didn't receive this waiver, then she only has two years left to play two and no redshirt year remaining.
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Post by slxpress on Aug 13, 2024 10:08:37 GMT -5
I'd say at the least she has 2 seasons. She's listed as a redshirt junior. There's a chance she'd be given another year of eligibility due to her pregnancy. But that's not related to anything being discussed. Pregnancies and mission trips have their own category. A student athlete can miss up to two years for a mission trip and not have it counted towards their eligibility timer. A pregnancy can exclude a year of the eligibility timer. She had played two seasons so she has used two years of eligibility and has two years of eligibility left. Her pregnancy has no impact on the years of eligibility so she won't get another one. Her pregnancy only impacts the number of years she has remaining to use those two years of eligibility. If she was granted the pregnancy waiver for last season, then she would have three years left to play two so she would have a redshirt year left. If she didn't receive this waiver, then she only has two years left to play two and no redshirt year remaining. We’re saying the same thing. I worded it poorly. She has at least two years left. It’s uncertain if she will have to use those two years this season and next, or if she’ll be able to sit out a year and still be on campus for a third season. She’s listed as a redshirt junior. We’ll see what happens.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 13, 2024 11:06:28 GMT -5
I’ve heard rumors Texas is for sure getting top recruits in 2027!
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Post by jwvolley on Aug 13, 2024 11:08:07 GMT -5
I’ve heard rumors Texas is for sure getting top recruits in 2027! Is this satirical? lol
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 13, 2024 11:09:11 GMT -5
I’ve heard rumors Texas is for sure getting top recruits in 2027! Is this satirical? lol Yes lol. I’m glad it was caught on so fast
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Post by stevehorn on Aug 13, 2024 11:54:01 GMT -5
She had played two seasons so she has used two years of eligibility and has two years of eligibility left. Her pregnancy has no impact on the years of eligibility so she won't get another one. Her pregnancy only impacts the number of years she has remaining to use those two years of eligibility. If she was granted the pregnancy waiver for last season, then she would have three years left to play two so she would have a redshirt year left. If she didn't receive this waiver, then she only has two years left to play two and no redshirt year remaining. We’re saying the same thing. I worded it poorly. She has at least two years left. It’s uncertain if she will have to use those two years this season and next, or if she’ll be able to sit out a year and still be on campus for a third season. She’s listed as a redshirt junior. We’ll see what happens. I would be surprised if Whitney did not receive an extension of her "five year clock" for her pregnancy as the extension rule includes recovery as well as the period of pregnancy.
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Post by slxpress on Aug 13, 2024 12:09:24 GMT -5
We’re saying the same thing. I worded it poorly. She has at least two years left. It’s uncertain if she will have to use those two years this season and next, or if she’ll be able to sit out a year and still be on campus for a third season. She’s listed as a redshirt junior. We’ll see what happens. I would be surprised if Whitney did not receive an extension of her "five year clock" for her pregnancy as the extension rule includes recovery as well as the period of pregnancy. I'm of the same mind. It feels practically automatic to me. My biggest curiosity is whether she's used this year or if this year is used as a redshirt year. But I don't have an opinion on it either way. In Elliott We Trust, so to speak.
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Post by biodogtexas on Aug 13, 2024 13:43:21 GMT -5
It's not that it doesn't compute. It's that you're wrong. But you're very entrenched in this idea. So... I've said what i can. I'll just say that how student athletes are listed on the roster as "redshirt" whatever or not is not reflective of any official process whatsoever. It's pretty arbitrary. I am confused so here are three scenario's that have and do occur: 1) i practice my first year , but no competition: I practice and play in competitions, for the next three years. So i have practiced for 4 years but only competed for 3 : i am eligible for another year of competition. My school completes the proper form and submits to conference and i practice and play my 5th year in school. This scenario is commonly called “redshirting”. 2) i practice my first year and i compete but have a season emding injury; but only a few games and only in the first half of the season. My school tells me that this will not count as a year of eligibility. I then recover and practice and play the next three years. At the end of the 4th season my school turns in the appropriate forms and my conference grants me another year of eligibility because i didn't participate in enough contests during my first year for that year to count as one of my years of eligibility! This scenario commonly gets called a Medical Redshirt. 3) i practice my first year but do not play: no year of eligibility used . I practice and play my second year : i practice and play my third year but i am injured in the first month of my third year after only playing in a few games and matches. I meet the definition for not counting as a year of eligibility. I recover and practice and play my fourth year. My team fills out the form for my freshman year when i did not play and use my 5th year because i didnt compete my freshman year. So i het a fifth year. My freshman year was what we call redshirt. I play my fifth year and at the end of the year my school turns in the proper forms for my injured year and i am granted a 6th year because my third year does not count as a year of eligibility! My freshman year was my “red shirt year” and my junior year is an additional year above the 5 year limit. The school petitions for your third year not to count and grant an additional year. but unless its a very strange circumstance its almost always automatic. What you want ro call this year is what i think your debating. Agreed that terminology here gets blurry here, but these are circumstances. You can get more than 6 years using medical reasons and meeting lack of competitions in a year. And the “red shirt year” does not have to be the freshman year: thats just the most commonly occurring example. That's not quite how it works. Every athlete has 5 calendar years to play 4 seasons. 1) When you don't play as a freshman you simply don't use one of your 4 seasons year of eligibilty. You still have 5 years to play 4 seasons. Nothing Changes and nothing special needs to be done. You "redshirted". 2) When you suffer a season-ending injury early enough in a season, your compliance office will determine if you played enough of the season for it to count as one of your 4 seasons of eligibility. If it doesn't, You still have 5 years to play 4 seasons. Nothing Changes and nothing special needs to be done. You redshirted, for medical reasons: a "medical redshirt". 3) you redshirt as in scenario 1 and then suffer an injury as in scenario 2. At the end of your 5 year clock, you have only played 3 seasons. In this event of still having another season of eligibility but no more time on your 5 year clock, you apply for a waiver, citing the "medical redshirt" and your "normal redshirt" years. By NCAA rule, if you don't play one season because the team didn't play you, and you didn't play (enough games for it to count) in another season due to injury, you qualify for a 6th year that will allow you to play your 4th season. The NCAA grants you a waiver to stay another year and you play your 4th season.
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Post by slxpress on Aug 13, 2024 14:06:30 GMT -5
I am confused so here are three scenario's that have and do occur: 1) i practice my first year , but no competition: I practice and play in competitions, for the next three years. So i have practiced for 4 years but only competed for 3 : i am eligible for another year of competition. My school completes the proper form and submits to conference and i practice and play my 5th year in school. This scenario is commonly called “redshirting”. 2) i practice my first year and i compete but have a season emding injury; but only a few games and only in the first half of the season. My school tells me that this will not count as a year of eligibility. I then recover and practice and play the next three years. At the end of the 4th season my school turns in the appropriate forms and my conference grants me another year of eligibility because i didn't participate in enough contests during my first year for that year to count as one of my years of eligibility! This scenario commonly gets called a Medical Redshirt. 3) i practice my first year but do not play: no year of eligibility used . I practice and play my second year : i practice and play my third year but i am injured in the first month of my third year after only playing in a few games and matches. I meet the definition for not counting as a year of eligibility. I recover and practice and play my fourth year. My team fills out the form for my freshman year when i did not play and use my 5th year because i didnt compete my freshman year. So i het a fifth year. My freshman year was what we call redshirt. I play my fifth year and at the end of the year my school turns in the proper forms for my injured year and i am granted a 6th year because my third year does not count as a year of eligibility! My freshman year was my “red shirt year” and my junior year is an additional year above the 5 year limit. The school petitions for your third year not to count and grant an additional year. but unless its a very strange circumstance its almost always automatic. What you want ro call this year is what i think your debating. Agreed that terminology here gets blurry here, but these are circumstances. You can get more than 6 years using medical reasons and meeting lack of competitions in a year. And the “red shirt year” does not have to be the freshman year: thats just the most commonly occurring example. That's not quite how it works. Every athlete has 5 calendar years to play 4 seasons. 1) When you don't play as a freshman you simply don't use one of your 4 seasons year of eligibilty. You still have 5 years to play 4 seasons. Nothing Changes and nothing special needs to be done. You "redshirted". 2) When you suffer a season-ending injury early enough in a season, your compliance office will determine if you played enough of the season for it to count as one of your 4 seasons of eligibility. If it doesn't, You still have 5 years to play 4 seasons. Nothing Changes and nothing special needs to be done. You redshirted, for medical reasons: a "medical redshirt". 3) you redshirt as in scenario 1 and then suffer an injury as in scenario 2. At the end of your 5 year clock, you have only played 3 seasons. In this event of still having another season of eligibility but no more time on your 5 year clock, you apply for a waiver, citing the "medical redshirt" and your "normal redshirt" years. By NCAA rule, if you don't play one season because the team didn't play you, and you didn't play (enough games for it to count) in another season due to injury, you qualify for a 6th year that will allow you to play your 4th season. The NCAA grants you a waiver to stay another year and you play your 4th season. I still don’t think it’s a great idea to use medical waiver and medical redshirt interchangeably. One is when you don’t participate in enough matches/games before suffering a season ending injury. The other is a 6th year of eligibility extended because of the loss of a second season in addition to the redshirt season, whether the redshirt was granted due to injury or not. Redshirts have been given for a long long time, both for not playing and for losing out on a season because of an early season ending injury. 6th year waivers are relatively new, although they’ve still been around at least since the 90s, even if they were only given out at that time if an athlete had lost at least two seasons to injuries. Calling both a medical redshirt and a 6th year waiver a medical redshirt confuses the issue. They’re not the same thing.
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Post by dodger on Aug 13, 2024 14:07:10 GMT -5
I am confused so here are three scenario's that have and do occur: 1) i practice my first year , but no competition: I practice and play in competitions, for the next three years. So i have practiced for 4 years but only competed for 3 : i am eligible for another year of competition. My school completes the proper form and submits to conference and i practice and play my 5th year in school. This scenario is commonly called “redshirting”. 2) i practice my first year and i compete but have a season emding injury; but only a few games and only in the first half of the season. My school tells me that this will not count as a year of eligibility. I then recover and practice and play the next three years. At the end of the 4th season my school turns in the appropriate forms and my conference grants me another year of eligibility because i didn't participate in enough contests during my first year for that year to count as one of my years of eligibility! This scenario commonly gets called a Medical Redshirt. 3) i practice my first year but do not play: no year of eligibility used . I practice and play my second year : i practice and play my third year but i am injured in the first month of my third year after only playing in a few games and matches. I meet the definition for not counting as a year of eligibility. I recover and practice and play my fourth year. My team fills out the form for my freshman year when i did not play and use my 5th year because i didnt compete my freshman year. So i het a fifth year. My freshman year was what we call redshirt. I play my fifth year and at the end of the year my school turns in the proper forms for my injured year and i am granted a 6th year because my third year does not count as a year of eligibility! My freshman year was my “red shirt year” and my junior year is an additional year above the 5 year limit. The school petitions for your third year not to count and grant an additional year. but unless its a very strange circumstance its almost always automatic. What you want ro call this year is what i think your debating. Agreed that terminology here gets blurry here, but these are circumstances. You can get more than 6 years using medical reasons and meeting lack of competitions in a year. And the “red shirt year” does not have to be the freshman year: thats just the most commonly occurring example. That's not quite how it works. Every athlete has 5 calendar years to play 4 seasons. 1) When you don't play as a freshman you simply don't use one of your 4 seasons year of eligibilty. You still have 5 years to play 4 seasons. Nothing Changes and nothing special needs to be done. You "redshirted". 2) When you suffer a season-ending injury early enough in a season, your compliance office will determine if you played enough of the season for it to count as one of your 4 seasons of eligibility. If it doesn't, You still have 5 years to play 4 seasons. Nothing Changes and nothing special needs to be done. You redshirted, for medical reasons: a "medical redshirt". 3) you redshirt as in scenario 1 and then suffer an injury as in scenario 2. At the end of your 5 year clock, you have only played 3 seasons. In this event of still having another season of eligibility but no more time on your 5 year clock, you apply for a waiver, citing the "medical redshirt" and your "normal redshirt" years. By NCAA rule, if you don't play one season because the team didn't play you, and you didn't play (enough games for it to count) in another season due to injury, you qualify for a 6th year that will allow you to play your 4th season. The NCAA grants you a waiver to stay another year and you play your 4th season. Thats what i said! Plus of their were other years of injury you can get. 7th year!
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Post by dodger on Aug 13, 2024 14:21:19 GMT -5
That's not quite how it works. Every athlete has 5 calendar years to play 4 seasons. 1) When you don't play as a freshman you simply don't use one of your 4 seasons year of eligibilty. You still have 5 years to play 4 seasons. Nothing Changes and nothing special needs to be done. You "redshirted". 2) When you suffer a season-ending injury early enough in a season, your compliance office will determine if you played enough of the season for it to count as one of your 4 seasons of eligibility. If it doesn't, You still have 5 years to play 4 seasons. Nothing Changes and nothing special needs to be done. You redshirted, for medical reasons: a "medical redshirt". 3) you redshirt as in scenario 1 and then suffer an injury as in scenario 2. At the end of your 5 year clock, you have only played 3 seasons. In this event of still having another season of eligibility but no more time on your 5 year clock, you apply for a waiver, citing the "medical redshirt" and your "normal redshirt" years. By NCAA rule, if you don't play one season because the team didn't play you, and you didn't play (enough games for it to count) in another season due to injury, you qualify for a 6th year that will allow you to play your 4th season. The NCAA grants you a waiver to stay another year and you play your 4th season. I still don’t think it’s a great idea to use medical waiver and medical redshirt interchangeably. One is when you don’t participate in enough matches/games before suffering a season ending injury. The other is a 6th year of eligibility extended because of the loss of a second season in addition to the redshirt season, whether the redshirt was granted due to injury or not. Redshirts have been given for a long long time, both for not playing and for losing out on a season because of an early season ending injury. 6th year waivers are relatively new, although they’ve still been around at least since the 90s, even if they were only given out at that time if an athlete had lost at least two seasons to injuries. Calling both a medical redshirt and a 6th year waiver a medical redshirt confuses the issue. They’re not the same thing. t You are correct that the use of term “redshirt” confuses the issue. Simply you get to practice and compete for 4 years while you are in college. “Redshirt” slang for a player who does not play in allowable number of contests to count as one of your four years. Thus the 5 years to play 4. Yet the ncaa will grant waivers to this 5 to play 4: 6 to play 4, 7 to play 4! And with covid Caffey got 8? Joking! Fyi myth has it that a Nebraska footballer from the 30’s practiced with the team but didn't compete in contests: instead he stood on side line during games in a red shirt. This the first “redshirt” a nebraska football player!!
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