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Post by Disc808 on Sept 14, 2021 12:38:44 GMT -5
Texas, Stanford, and Nebraska are two easier places to recruit to in college volleyball. I sometimes wonder how well those coaches would fair at Clemson, Michigan State, Arizona State, Syracuse, or Texas Tech. What were toughest challenges for each coach in the past? What head job did Elliott, Hambly, or Cook have prior to current jobs? After Mick Haley came to the Texas administration with an opportunity to coach the national team and tried to negotiate a better salary/resources for the program, and the admins told him to take a hike, Texas went through a not so great period. Jim Moore (the current head coach at Oregon) went 84-38 over 4 years, with each season getting progressively worse, ending with a 10-18 record in his last season. Then he was fired. Coach Elliot was the interim head coach at USC for two years, while Mick Haley, who had been hired by the Trojans to take the spot after his tenure with the national team was done, prepared for the 2000 Sydney Olympics. He took USC to the Final Four in his second season, and then subsequently was hired by Texas after Haley returned from the Olympics to take the head job. In his first three years Elliot went 55-37, finished no higher than 4th in conference, had 2 second round exits and one year where the team didn't make the tournament. The next 3 years the program went 74-17, with an Elite Eight and Final Four appearance. Since the 2007 season the Texas program under Elliot's leadership has finished no lower than 2nd, and has won or shared the conference title 12 out of 14 years. They have made 4 Elite Eights, 10 Final Four runs, 4 runner ups, and one national championship. The program was not in a good place when Elliot took over. He is the one who has built it up to be the monster it is. You should ask Stanford or Nebraska fans about Hambly or Cook. Ulmer is the head coach at Oregon |
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Post by slxpress on Sept 14, 2021 12:45:13 GMT -5
Haha. Whoops! Yeah, he was fired for the mistreatment stuff several years ago. I linked to an old Ducks web page when I was doing the research, and didn't remember him getting fired. Anyway, the point is not everyone can cut it at Texas, and Elliot deserves credit for his accomplishments.
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Post by kb808 on Sept 14, 2021 13:22:06 GMT -5
Bitter, nahhh I’d be bitter if I was a Texas fan and have to witness a loss at the end of the season with ALL that talent.. won’t be surprised if it happens again this year! You can see it clearly in your posting history. As far as I'm concerned, join the legions of fans with penis envy regarding Texas. I don't care. There's a club for people like you. They even hand out jackets. Wow, so harsh! I’m a fan of good volleyball and last years Texas actually played amazing volleyball!!! I’ll be rooting for Devin, she is my people.. a kanaka, I could NEVER root against her… yeah, maybe I’m a little butt hurt she didn’t stay home but I don’t blame her as our program is no longer in the top tier of volleyball programs… go longhorns!!! |
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Post by babybacksets on Sept 14, 2021 13:27:28 GMT -5
kb808 is a bitter Hawaii fan. I get it. I'm a bitter Texas football fan. I was a bitter men's basketball fan until this offseason. Hawaii was one of the top programs in the country with amazing community support. Now they watch any number of programs get better talent year after year, while they scratch out the ability to simply get into the tournament. Texas just got a commitment from the best 2022 playing from the islands. It's not fun. It's also not fun engaging with a bitter fan, regardless of their reasons for being that way. But I do get it. Bitter, nahhh I’d be bitter if I was a Texas fan and have to witness a loss at the end of the season with ALL that talent.. won’t be surprised if it happens again this year! Dude shut up. You’re making Hawaii fans look bad. And when Texas wins it all you’re just going to look stupid. Don’t make this what you want to be a feminine cleaning product about. |
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Post by horns1 on Sept 14, 2021 13:37:35 GMT -5
Texas, Stanford, and Nebraska are two easier places to recruit to in college volleyball. I sometimes wonder how well those coaches would fair at Clemson, Michigan State, Arizona State, Syracuse, or Texas Tech. What were toughest challenges for each coach in the past? What head job did Elliott, Hambly, or Cook have prior to current jobs? Jerritt Elliott did not step into the same situation at Texas that John Cook did at Nebraska, or that Kevin Hambly did at Stanford. While those 2 coaches inherited programs that were set to compete for national championships immediately, Coach Elliott had to resurrect a Texas program that Jim Moore had driven to rock bottom; not only had it become a losing program, but the best players were transferring, and Texas A&M had become the dominant program in the state of Texas. For all the success Coach Elliott has enjoyed at Texas, it didn't come without hard work and struggles along the way. It's no wonder that he has stated in the past that he never wants to have to accept another job where he as to rebuild the program. |
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Post by hornfanaustin on Sept 14, 2021 13:42:53 GMT -5
Texas, Stanford, and Nebraska are two easier places to recruit to in college volleyball. I sometimes wonder how well those coaches would fair at Clemson, Michigan State, Arizona State, Syracuse, or Texas Tech. What were toughest challenges for each coach in the past? What head job did Elliott, Hambly, or Cook have prior to current jobs? Jerritt Elliott did not step into the same situation at Texas that John Cook did at Nebraska, or that Kevin Hambly did at Stanford. While those 2 coaches inherited programs that were set to compete for national championship immediately, Coach Elliott had to resurrect a Texas program that Jim Moore had driven to rock bottom; not only had it become a losing program, but the best players were transferring, and Texas A&M had become the dominant program in the state of Texas. For all the success Coach Elliott has enjoyed at Texas, it didn't come without hard work and struggles along the way. It's not wonder that he has stated in the past that he never wants to have to accept another job where he as to rebuild the program. In a long interview from years ago, he admitted that he purposely set a visit of his USC team to Texas to show the administrators his coaching chops. He knew that Mick Haley was coming back to USC and he wanted a fall back plan other than dropping down to being an assistant coach again.*
Also, someone missed the additional tidbit that Texas played Jim Moore's Oregon team for the championship.
And yeah, I was here when Moore took over Texas and drove it into the ground, as you've described.
*Added: It also implies that JE could see from USC's side that Moore was going to get fired soon
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 14, 2021 14:41:39 GMT -5
And yeah, I was here when Moore took over Texas and drove it into the ground, as you've described.
*Added: It also implies that JE could see from USC's side that Moore was going to get fired soon
When a coach takes a program that had played for the NC to a 10-18 record in a few years, probably doesn't take much insight to think that coach is on the hot seat. Plus Haley surely still had ties with some Texas athletic folks and likely provided JE with some info. |
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Post by horns1 on Sept 14, 2021 15:49:38 GMT -5
There aren't many things that former women's AD, Chris Plonsky nailed while in charge. But, hiring Jerritt, our women's tennis coach, and rowing coach resulted in national championships.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 14, 2021 17:42:04 GMT -5
There aren't many things that former women's AD, Chris Plonsky nailed while in charge. But, hiring Jerritt, our women's tennis coach, and rowing coach resulted in national championships. I felt like the Gail Goestenkors hire was a good one. It didn't work out, but it felt like a good hire at the time. Karen Astor was a head scratcher. Angela Kelly is the one who seems to have incriminating pictures. And until Connie Clark made way for Mike White, I felt the same about her, too. But this simply circles back to Jerritt Elliot. He's not just fogging up a mirror. Texas has shown across the board that it doesn't matter how much talent is in the state of Texas, or how good the facilities are, not to mention the university and Austin itself, it's entirely possible to not have a winning program. |
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Sept 14, 2021 18:18:33 GMT -5
There aren't many things that former women's AD, Chris Plonsky nailed while in charge. But, hiring Jerritt, our women's tennis coach, and rowing coach resulted in national championships. I felt like the Gail Goestenkors hire was a good one. It didn't work out, but it felt like a good hire at the time. Karen Astor was a head scratcher. Angela Kelly is the one who seems to have incriminating pictures. And until Connie Clark made way for Mike White, I felt the same about her, too. But this simply circles back to Jerritt Elliot. He's not just fogging up a mirror. Texas has shown across the board that it doesn't matter how much talent is in the state of Texas, or how good the facilities are, not to mention the university and Austin itself, it's entirely possible to not have a winning program. Exactly. People think schools sell themselves, but they really don't. Sure, you'll get a good recruit here or there, but to really build a team, you need a head coach that people really believe in and want to get behind. A school will get consideration from a recruit because of its name, but to close the deal is an entirely different deal. For Stanford, look at women's swimming. After years of dominance, it fell into a state of mediocrity. Lea Maurer was the head coach for many of those years that didn't result in many top-notch recruits. However, that all changed once Greg Meehan took over. It's not like the school magically changed. It was the head coach. And now, the program is back to fighting for national championships with Olympic caliber swimmers. People who say, 'Oh, the school sells itself and you can plug any head coach in" is just a an armchair coach and doesn't understand the nuances that go behind recruiting top-tier talent. |
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Post by kb808 on Sept 14, 2021 19:12:18 GMT -5
Bitter, nahhh I’d be bitter if I was a Texas fan and have to witness a loss at the end of the season with ALL that talent.. won’t be surprised if it happens again this year! Dude shut up. You’re making Hawaii fans look bad. And when Texas wins it all you’re just going to look stupid. Don’t make this what you want to be a feminine cleaning product about. Dude take a chill pill and don’t take things so seriously!!! Go back to the Wahine thread and cry your sorrows away… |
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Post by flatcityfan on Sept 14, 2021 20:45:27 GMT -5
Bitter, nahhh I’d be bitter if I was a Texas fan and have to witness a loss at the end of the season with ALL that talent.. won’t be surprised if it happens again this year! Dude shut up. You’re making Hawaii fans look bad. And when Texas wins it all you’re just going to look stupid. Don’t make this what you want to be a feminine cleaning product about. Snort! My dumb ass had to read this three times before I got it. Hahahahahaha!!!! |
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Post by babybacksets on Sept 15, 2021 0:55:15 GMT -5
Dude shut up. You’re making Hawaii fans look bad. And when Texas wins it all you’re just going to look stupid. Don’t make this what you want to be a feminine cleaning product about. Dude take a chill pill and don’t take things so seriously!!! Go back to the Wahine thread and cry your sorrows away… No. |
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Post by longhorn9214 on Sept 16, 2021 8:35:27 GMT -5
Good luck to Devin at U18 World Championships with Coach Morrison (who we still don't know if he will stay right?)
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 16, 2021 8:59:59 GMT -5
Good luck to Devin at U18 World Championships with Coach Morrison (who we still don't know if he will stay right?) It's best to assume that volunteer coaches will not be in the job for more than a season. It's typically a temporary type job where the coach is looking for a more permanent opportunity. |
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