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Post by azvolleydad on Dec 20, 2019 13:06:26 GMT -5
The notion that immediate happiness is the be-all and end-all of experience is horribly misguided. It leads to an unwillingness to perservere in the face of short-term adversity. I hope that the current notion that whatever doesn't bring immediate joy must be instantly rejected is fad that we will all outgrow. No no no, it’s not an “experience” it’s WORK. Why would you get up at 5AM everyday, put your body through the ringer for 2+ hours straight at least once that day, not to mention pay attention in the classroom, study, and still try and live a life if one major part of that equation is draining on you. If an athlete knows (or coach lets them know) that their experience might not be what they want it to be then please for the love of volleyGod, tell me why an athlete is obligated to stay? Again not every athlete who could have had more success somewhere else wants to leave(Orie A. @ Texas) so why demonize an athlete for thinking for themselves? Sorry I get that you don’t like when an athlete leaves your favorite program, but it’s not about you or your “feelings” about the matter. Congratulations on killing a straw man. You thoroughly demolished arguments that no one is making. Well done. I really have no idea what you're arguing or who you're arguing with. No one has said that an athlete is obligated to stay if a situation is untenable. Nor did I criticize (much less "demonize") any specific athlete who has transferred, because I have no idea what has prompted anyone's desire to move. Here's the actual points that were made: A poster wrote that "College is suppose to be about education first but seems to me it’s become more about sports." You responded: "It’s so annoying when people say this. It’s not about either, it’s about THE ATHLETE and where they are going to be happiest. That is all." I wrote that "I disagree," meaning that I disagree with your statement that "it's not about either [education or sports]" and it's solely about making the athlete the "happiest." You said my opinion was "wrong" and I elaborated and explained that prioritizing "immediate happiness" as opposed to sometimes persevering over short-term adversity is misguided. That led to your response above which addresses none of the points. If an athlete transfers because she is miserable or because the situation at her current school is untenable, then Godspeed to her. I haven't argued, nor have I read anyone else argue, any differently. I continue to disagree with your statement that an athlete should go wherever she thinks she'll be happiest, regardless of all other considerations. I continue to believe that fetishisizing short-term happiness and completely disregarding the notion of overcoming adversity is detrimental to society as a whole. Paraphrasing Erma Bombeck, sometimes the grass is greener because it's growing over a septic tank.
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Post by beachindoor on Dec 20, 2019 13:17:09 GMT -5
Motion to make this about when players transfer and posting updates on their transfer status rather than debating over trying to debunk the reason players go to school and the purpose of sports in college
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Post by beachindoor on Dec 20, 2019 13:18:10 GMT -5
I think yes these convos are definitely valid to consider but maybe that should be another post? Leave this one to transfer names and just getting info
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Post by azvolleydad on Dec 20, 2019 13:25:50 GMT -5
Alabama has already created a 2020 roster online:
I guess with all the transfers/drop-outs that happened recently, having a roster of only 7 players was going to look ugly from a PR perspective. I know it's like pulling teeth to get some SIDs to update their rosters for the upcoming season!
There should have been 15 returning players from the 2019 roster. Missing are three freshman L/DS who played in 65/33/18 sets; a soph MB (66 sets); a freshman OH (11 sets); a junior DS (35 sets); a junior OH (59 sets); and a soph S who played in 42 sets this season but 116 sets in 2018.
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 20, 2019 14:02:12 GMT -5
Motion to make this about when players transfer and posting updates on their transfer status rather than debating over trying to debunk the reason players go to school and the purpose of sports in college ITA. 1 The latter requires supporting evidence in footnotes, which none of the above doofs 2 are using. ----- Footnotes 1 I totally agree. 2 Term created by Wolfgang in 1972 in Honolulu, Hawaii. Widely used as a child. First introduced in the electronic world in 1988 as an internal "electronic mail" username in an intra-office network. First introduced in the Internets in 1995 as an email account and then later in message boards as a phrase meaning, among other things, dumbass, dinkydong, and ugly mother.
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Post by TuesdayGone on Dec 20, 2019 14:17:28 GMT -5
Are there any stud Liberos or DS in the transfer portal?
Wisconsin needs one for next year
Got to think it would be a great fit for a transfer libero to be the favorite to win it all next year.
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Post by vbstan123 on Dec 20, 2019 14:20:03 GMT -5
Are there any stud Liberos or DS in the transfer portal? Wisconsin needs one for next year Got to think it would be a great fit for a transfer libero to be the favorite to win it all next year. How many DS's will be needed next year? Grace and Molly have both shown at times that they can play at a very high level in the back row and I would assume having them both play 6 rotations is a top priority for Sheffield.
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Post by Kingsley on Dec 20, 2019 14:30:35 GMT -5
Are there any stud Liberos or DS in the transfer portal? Wisconsin needs one for next year Got to think it would be a great fit for a transfer libero to be the favorite to win it all next year. I am currently not aware of any defensive specialists from Big Ten schools in the portal.
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Post by bball on Dec 20, 2019 15:18:12 GMT -5
Are there any stud Liberos or DS in the transfer portal? Wisconsin needs one for next year Got to think it would be a great fit for a transfer libero to be the favorite to win it all next year. I am currently not aware of any defensive specialists from Big Ten schools in the portal. Yea... Wisconsin loves robbing liberos and ignoring the sit out a year claus.......
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Post by azvolleydad on Dec 20, 2019 15:20:42 GMT -5
I am currently not aware of any defensive specialists from Big Ten schools in the portal. Yea... Wisconsin loves robbing liberos and ignoring the sit out a year claus....... Does Sit-out-a-year Claus bring transfer defenders to all the good girls and boys?
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Post by bball on Dec 20, 2019 15:24:20 GMT -5
Yea... Wisconsin loves robbing liberos and ignoring the sit out a year claus....... Does Sit-out-a-year Claus bring transfer defenders to all the good girls and boys? Only at corrupted Wisconsin
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Post by Kingsley on Dec 20, 2019 15:26:30 GMT -5
Yea... Wisconsin loves robbing liberos and ignoring the sit out a year claus....... Does Sit-out-a-year Claus bring transfer defenders to all the good girls and boys? "What would you like for Christmas, little boy?" "PROVEN PASSERS"
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Post by babybacksets on Dec 20, 2019 15:29:37 GMT -5
No no no, it’s not an “experience” it’s WORK. Why would you get up at 5AM everyday, put your body through the ringer for 2+ hours straight at least once that day, not to mention pay attention in the classroom, study, and still try and live a life if one major part of that equation is draining on you. If an athlete knows (or coach lets them know) that their experience might not be what they want it to be then please for the love of volleyGod, tell me why an athlete is obligated to stay? Again not every athlete who could have had more success somewhere else wants to leave(Orie A. @ Texas) so why demonize an athlete for thinking for themselves? Sorry I get that you don’t like when an athlete leaves your favorite program, but it’s not about you or your “feelings” about the matter. Congratulations on killing a straw man. You thoroughly demolished arguments that no one is making. Well done. I really have no idea what you're arguing or who you're arguing with. No one has said that an athlete is obligated to stay if a situation is untenable. Nor did I criticize (much less "demonize") any specific athlete who has transferred, because I have no idea what has prompted anyone's desire to move. Here's the actual points that were made: A poster wrote that "College is suppose to be about education first but seems to me it’s become more about sports." You responded: "It’s so annoying when people say this. It’s not about either, it’s about THE ATHLETE and where they are going to be happiest. That is all." I wrote that "I disagree," meaning that I disagree with your statement that "it's not about either [education or sports]" and it's solely about making the athlete the "happiest." You said my opinion was "wrong" and I elaborated and explained that prioritizing "immediate happiness" as opposed to sometimes persevering over short-term adversity is misguided. That led to your response above which addresses none of the points. If an athlete transfers because she is miserable or because the situation at her current school is untenable, then Godspeed to her. I haven't argued, nor have I read anyone else argue, any differently. I continue to disagree with your statement that an athlete should go wherever she thinks she'll be happiest, regardless of all other considerations. I continue to believe that fetishisizing short-term happiness and completely disregarding the notion of overcoming adversity is detrimental to society as a whole. Paraphrasing Erma Bombeck, sometimes the grass is greener because it's growing over a septic tank. In all honesty I don’t give 2 sh*ts either way. Athletes are in charge of their own lives so whatever decisions they make is up to them and I respect them for it. I think you have to have an actual understanding of being a collegiate athlete to have a valid opinion on this. Not interested in arguing the same thing over and over. I said what I said, feel however you want. Neither of us control these athletes so both of our points are moot.
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Post by babybacksets on Dec 20, 2019 15:33:19 GMT -5
Motion to make this about when players transfer and posting updates on their transfer status rather than debating over trying to debunk the reason players go to school and the purpose of sports in college ITA. 1 The latter requires supporting evidence in footnotes, which none of the above doofs 2 are using. ----- Footnotes 1 I totally agree. 2 Term created by Wolfgang in 1972 in Honolulu, Hawaii. Widely used as a child. First introduced in the electronic world in 1988 as an internal "electronic mail" username in an intra-office network. First introduced in the Internets in 1995 as an email account and then later in message boards as a phrase meaning, among other things, dumbass, dinkydong, and ugly mother. You always like to call people doofs but all people have to do is look at your own thread history to see what an example of really doofus comments look like
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Post by azvolleydad on Dec 20, 2019 15:51:40 GMT -5
Congratulations on killing a straw man. You thoroughly demolished arguments that no one is making. Well done. I really have no idea what you're arguing or who you're arguing with. No one has said that an athlete is obligated to stay if a situation is untenable. Nor did I criticize (much less "demonize") any specific athlete who has transferred, because I have no idea what has prompted anyone's desire to move. Here's the actual points that were made: A poster wrote that "College is suppose to be about education first but seems to me it’s become more about sports." You responded: "It’s so annoying when people say this. It’s not about either, it’s about THE ATHLETE and where they are going to be happiest. That is all." I wrote that "I disagree," meaning that I disagree with your statement that "it's not about either [education or sports]" and it's solely about making the athlete the "happiest." You said my opinion was "wrong" and I elaborated and explained that prioritizing "immediate happiness" as opposed to sometimes persevering over short-term adversity is misguided. That led to your response above which addresses none of the points. If an athlete transfers because she is miserable or because the situation at her current school is untenable, then Godspeed to her. I haven't argued, nor have I read anyone else argue, any differently. I continue to disagree with your statement that an athlete should go wherever she thinks she'll be happiest, regardless of all other considerations. I continue to believe that fetishisizing short-term happiness and completely disregarding the notion of overcoming adversity is detrimental to society as a whole. Paraphrasing Erma Bombeck, sometimes the grass is greener because it's growing over a septic tank. In all honesty I don’t give 2 sh*ts either way. Athletes are in charge of their own lives so whatever decisions they make is up to them and I respect them for it. I think you have to have an actual understanding of being a collegiate athlete to have a valid opinion on this. Not interested in arguing the same thing over and over. I said what I said, feel however you want. Neither of us control these athletes so both of our points are moot. Agreed, as long as you’re happy!
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