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Post by chisovnik on Dec 11, 2019 8:41:00 GMT -5
The new head coach is walking into a goldmine. This team is going to have so much depth next year.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 11, 2019 10:02:35 GMT -5
If anyone wonders where tOSU stand in comparison to other elite DI schools in terms of committment to athletics, there is an interesting competition called the Directors Cup, that weighs accomplishment each year in just about every sport colleges offer, and ranks schools. It's pretty much a barometer of how well each school is doing in non-revenue sports, both men and women. Here is a rank order of how schools have done over the past 5 academic years, current year excluded. So 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, and 2015 final standings, in that order below. 1. Stanford: 1/1/1/1/1 = 1.0 ave. 2. Florida: 3/3/3/5/4 = 3.6 ave. 3. USC: 5/4/4/4/3 = 4 4. UCLA: 6/2/11/5/2 = 5.2 5. Ohio St.: 12/7/2/2/7 = 6.26. Texas: 4/5/7/9/9 = 7.0 7. Michigan: 2/6/6/3/19 = 7.2 8. North Carolina: 10/13/5/7/5/ = 8.0 9. Penn St.: 13/12/8/20/8 = 12.1 t10. Florida St.: 7/9/13/22/11 = 12.4 t10. Virginia: 8/21/19/8/6 = 12.4 12. TAMU: 15/10/12/12/17 = 13.1 13. Georgia: 21/24/8/8/15 = 14.1 14. Oregon: 27/24/9/10/13 = 16.6 15. Duke: 9/11/32/24/20 = 19.1 There may be a school missing, as I limited my search to schools that had cracked the top 10 at least once in the past 5 years. So a school with very consistent 11-15 might have been missed.
The Ohio St. University cleary is committed to excellence in male and female non-revenue sports, which make up 90% of the weighting in this ranking. There was a reason for dismissing the current coach that is in keeping with this record of excellence. So to the person who wrote above that tOSU is only concerned about football, that is ridiculous. And overall, clearly tOSU is a top 10 university in support of its athletics from Football down to rowing, equestrian, archery, etc. male and female. I'm going to guess that tOSU's non-revenue sport budget is also among the top 5 in the country. Great information but need to be more specific. How committed are they to women's volleyball. General commitment to women's sports is laudable and makes the commitment more real, but how much are they putting into women's volleyball as compared to their Big Ten rivals? |
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Post by vbfamily on Dec 11, 2019 10:53:13 GMT -5
If anyone wonders where tOSU stand in comparison to other elite DI schools in terms of committment to athletics, there is an interesting competition called the Directors Cup, that weighs accomplishment each year in just about every sport colleges offer, and ranks schools. It's pretty much a barometer of how well each school is doing in non-revenue sports, both men and women. Here is a rank order of how schools have done over the past 5 academic years, current year excluded. So 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, and 2015 final standings, in that order below. 1. Stanford: 1/1/1/1/1 = 1.0 ave. 2. Florida: 3/3/3/5/4 = 3.6 ave. 3. USC: 5/4/4/4/3 = 4 4. UCLA: 6/2/11/5/2 = 5.2 5. Ohio St.: 12/7/2/2/7 = 6.26. Texas: 4/5/7/9/9 = 7.0 7. Michigan: 2/6/6/3/19 = 7.2 8. North Carolina: 10/13/5/7/5/ = 8.0 9. Penn St.: 13/12/8/20/8 = 12.1 t10. Florida St.: 7/9/13/22/11 = 12.4 t10. Virginia: 8/21/19/8/6 = 12.4 12. TAMU: 15/10/12/12/17 = 13.1 13. Georgia: 21/24/8/8/15 = 14.1 14. Oregon: 27/24/9/10/13 = 16.6 15. Duke: 9/11/32/24/20 = 19.1
There may be a school missing, as I limited my search to schools that had cracked the top 10 at least once in the past 5 years. So a school with very consistent 11-15 might have been missed.
The Ohio St. University cleary is committed to excellence in male and female non-revenue sports, which make up 90% of the weighting in this ranking. There was a reason for dismissing the current coach that is in keeping with this record of excellence. So to the person who wrote above that tOSU is only concerned about football, that is ridiculous. And overall, clearly tOSU is a top 10 university in support of its athletics from Football down to rowing, equestrian, archery, etc. male and female. I'm going to guess that tOSU's non-revenue sport budget is also among the top 5 in the country. Yes, OSU certainly has a good budget and is absolutely successful across the board. In regard to the director's cup: "Points are awarded based on each institution’s finish in up to 19 sports - Four of which must be Baseball and Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball and Women's Volleyball. Then the next highest 15 (max.) sports scored for each institution, regardless of gender, will be used in the standings. Complete standings and the scoring structure can be found on the NACDA website: 2018-19 final standings." Schools that fund well and field many sports do very well in the director's cup. Stanford actually had to cut teams off that scored points since they field about every sport. I don't think any other school had to do that. Some teams on the list above don't even field enough teams to meet the 19 total. I imagine OSU would like volleyball to do better since it is one of two women's sports must be counted! Volleyball missing the tournament gives zero points. As another B1G school, Nebraska Volleyball gets strong points, but sounds like the AD would like to score better in other areas to do better in the director's cup overall: Certainly nice for him that WVB produces some solid revenue! www.omaha.com/sports/college/huskers/nebraska-again-records-worst-finish-in-directors-cup-measuring-department/article_e3626630-cd3f-553e-a054-0d834645b7c7.html |
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 11, 2019 11:59:57 GMT -5
^ thanks for the link to that article. I had not been aware that the Director's Cup finish was a part of any AD's incentive plan.
And it underscores the fact that excluding men's football and men's basketball, Stanford likely spends much more, perhanps 50% more, than any other school in support of every known sport other than those two. Interesting strategy... don't blow the majority of money on football and basketball, instead max out the Directors Cup.
You get what you pay for, assuming even average operational management, and Stanford being located in Silicon Valley, and having its strongest focus on high tech entrepreneurship, certainly has its advantages in that regard. It is remarkable to me the resources Stanford has at, for a University, the very young age of 125.
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Post by huskerrob on Dec 11, 2019 12:22:38 GMT -5
The people shunning this as "not a top-ten job" baffle me. In just about every sport, OSU is a top-ten job. Resources out the a**, a winning tradition for decades across the board, a BRAND NEW VOLLEYBALL FACILITY, and a location smack dab in the heart of volleyball country (no offense Cali). OSU is a draw nation-wide and it has the motor behind it to churn out titles. The Carlston era just grew stale and lost luster. Kids had no excitement around Buckeye Volleyball. The right guy or gal changes that in a heartbeat. Look at Kentucky pre-Skinner (who absolutely will not leave UK for the B1G) - a nation-wide school name, history of success and good resources - no excitement or prestige before, now its a top destination. That, in contrast to a proven winner like Shane Davis taking over at a dead end exemplifies how vital the program and the athletic department's ceiling is to future success. This is an elite job. No job equals wins and titles on its own. The best only offer the runway for takeoff. OSU has that. I am kind of lost here...can you help me figure out somethings so I can catch up to your position? 1) when did OSU become this resource stocked piled place? was it pre 1990? 2) when did OSU get a men's team? was it pre 1990? 3) when did OSU test the concept of being able to pull WVB athletes from around the Nation to consider it a National wide draw? 4) When did OSU consistently win B1G titles? 5) When did OSU consistently reach regional finals? 6) When did OSU consistently reach F4? 7) How many NC do they have? How many Runner Ups have they been? Im not saying you are wrong, only trying to establish how you come up with your conclusion. I don't know that OSU is a national draw w/out proving it can win at the higher levels. I don't know that OSU's big $$$ has ever made a difference in the results, and they have had big $$$ for as long as I can remember. I would accept that OSU didn't really consider WVB seriously but then I look at the their coaching history & those hires counter that point. So, as it seems to me, a layperson totally outside the circle of know as it relates to OSU, it seems they have had the $$$ and have had plenty of opportunities to make the most bang for their buck with that $$$ and even attempted to make strides, but in the end came up short, reaching where most of us think they settle naturally, mid pack in the B1G and reaching Tournament consistently but not too often challenging the regionals. Why is this position wrong? |
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 11, 2019 19:23:07 GMT -5
^ finishing in the top 5, on average, of the Directors Cup, implies several things about a school -- 1. The school cares about non-revenue sports in general 2. The school well funds non-revenue sports in general 3. The school itself, not just a particular coach, attracts athletes from around the country, since it is almost impossible to consistently win without a national recruiting pull So... if tOSU does those three thing, in general, for their non-revenue sports, why would they not do so for Women's Volleyball? The very fact that the WVB ooach was let go without any faults other than not winning enough, should tell you that the AD at tOSU cares about women's volleyball and is making moves to improve results.So.. any coach looking for a great final step in his/her career would readily consider a school with that sort of financial commitment, and that sort of national draw, for non-revenue sports. Such a coach would realize that it might take 3-5 years to partially close the current gap with other leading volleyball schools, and maybe another 2-3 years to become a peer to those leading volleyball schools, but that is a bonus since it means he/she built it, didn't just inherit it. There is a satisfaction in building that is beyond that of maintaining. Given the praise the next three recruiting classes are getting, any new coach might be able to close that gap even quicker, and any new coach would already know that  To me the whole point of the current coach being let go is that the AD believe the right coach can recruit nationally, and that that coach bring Women's Volleyball up to the level expected of a Top 5 Director's Cup school. The new facility is in keeping with that expectation. |
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Post by mommy on Dec 11, 2019 20:17:03 GMT -5
When Dan Fisher takes over Ohio State, who takes over for him at PITT?
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Post by kingofthebeach on Dec 12, 2019 10:41:51 GMT -5
Hiring the right coach can make a huge difference. At Washington, Bill Neville coached for 10 years, leaving in 2001 with a record of 126-136. Only 3 tournament appearances, the best ending in the round of 16. He was replaced by Jim McLaughlin, who won a title within 3 years and built a program that still hasn't missed the tournament, even after JMac moved on. For some it's kind of odd to not think of UW as a regular top 16 team. But before JMac they weren't even the top team in Washington. Wisconsin and especially Pittsburgh are somewhat similar stories. Wisconsin is hardly a similar story. Pete Waite averaged over 20 wins/season in 14 years (308 wins), finishing in the top 3 of the B1G six times, winning it twice, going to a national championship match once, one final four, three elite eights, and a five sweet sixteens. Sheffield has had good paper success but I would not put Wisconsin in a boat on the same lake as Pitt or Washington. |
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Post by huskerrob on Dec 13, 2019 22:16:08 GMT -5
How valuable is DBK looking now? Think that price tag of getting her to jump just went through the roof...hopefully she holds out and is ready for when Cook decides to hang it up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 22:17:41 GMT -5
How valuable is DBK looking now? Think that price tag of getting her to jump just went through the roof...hopefully she holds out and is ready for when Cook decides to hang it up. That’s a long while to wait. Think she has a better chance of taking over for rose |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 22:49:54 GMT -5
How valuable is DBK looking now? Think that price tag of getting her to jump just went through the roof...hopefully she holds out and is ready for when Cook decides to hang it up. That’s a long while to wait. Think she has a better chance of taking over for rose Does she have to take that goober son of his too? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 22:50:50 GMT -5
How valuable is DBK looking now? Think that price tag of getting her to jump just went through the roof...hopefully she holds out and is ready for when Cook decides to hang it up. Cook will coach forever ala Futurama. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 13, 2019 23:02:49 GMT -5
How valuable is DBK looking now? Think that price tag of getting her to jump just went through the roof...hopefully she holds out and is ready for when Cook decides to hang it up. It’s a great win and certainly helps her stock, not sure it puts her in different tax bracket. She’s an attractive candidate for OSU for sure. I do think Louisville as a department would probably match or come close to what OSU could offer her. She is in position to be dominant in ACC or she can jump in the deep end vs Russ, cook, Hugh, Sheff..,.., that’s a different animal. |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Dec 13, 2019 23:07:05 GMT -5
How valuable is DBK looking now? Think that price tag of getting her to jump just went through the roof...hopefully she holds out and is ready for when Cook decides to hang it up. Plus, Louisville is a really, really good job - they really care about their sports and throw money at sports. Not as much (money, I think) as OSU, and obviously not a VB power conference - but Lville is a really good volleyball job. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 13, 2019 23:13:16 GMT -5
How valuable is DBK looking now? Think that price tag of getting her to jump just went through the roof...hopefully she holds out and is ready for when Cook decides to hang it up. Plus, Louisville is a really, really good job - they really care about their sports and throw money at sports. Not as much as OSU, and obviously not a VB power conference - but Lville is a really good volleyball job. Yup. I’m not sure any athletic dept in the country is as all in as Louisville is. |
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