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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 23, 2020 11:50:06 GMT -5
No, I am clearly stating that not wearing a mask is selfish and stupid, as acknowledged from the president on down to your mayor. Posting a picture of the entire team with their arms around each other when the athletic department is allowing them to practice only in small groups, shows really bad judgement. I would not be at all surprised if the AD is quietly really pissed off. Again, my daughter's team would be expelled from campus if they posed for that picture. The mandate shows that even in Lincoln your officials have come around to the conclusion that not wearing a mask is selfish and stupid. The president has now said that you should wear a mask. Arguing technicalities of boundaries and will of enforcement in Lincoln is irrelevant. OK. Thanks for sharing. Yup, you too. Your view from Lincoln makes it abundantly clear how wildly incompatible the approaches are in different places, and why a fall season is not feasible and won't happen. Since nothing has really changed in the last four months, college sports are off the table pending a vaccine. See you in the Spring (maybe) or Fall '21 (more likely). Speculation now turns to what happens to this years seniors next fall. With a large and talented freshman class coming in, do this year's seniors stay or go?
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Post by knapplc on Jul 23, 2020 11:50:32 GMT -5
Sorry, no. They CAN cancel any NCAA-sponsored championship ANY time. Emmert saying they would cancel those sports 'today', if they were making that call (which is significant when they're, in fact, making that decision in two weeks) is absolutely an indication that cancellation is more than a possibility. And, quite clearly, the intent of that message was a warning. 'Prepare yourself', 'Help prevent the spread' etc. Diminishing it with 'careful' word selection is just fiddling while Rome burns. It isn't cancelled until it's cancelled. Until it is, they can, but we don't know that they will. They will move heaven and earth to play sports this Fall because they know the consequences of not playing are dozens if not hundreds of programs being cut.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 23, 2020 11:52:24 GMT -5
Right, and while just decried pedantism a few posts ago, there's a big difference between "can" and "will," and I worded that carefully on purpose. Sorry for parsing words like that, but I just want to be clear. The NCAA can, and may, cancel fall sports. There's no indication yet that they will. Sorry, no. They CAN cancel any NCAA-sponsored championship ANY time. Emmert saying they would cancel those sports 'today', if they were making that call (which is significant when they're, in fact, making that decision in two weeks) is absolutely an indication that cancellation is more than a possibility. And, quite clearly, the intent of that message was a warning. 'Prepare yourself', 'Help prevent the spread' etc. Diminishing it with 'careful' word selection is just fiddling while Rome burns. Thanks for this response, so I didn't have to. You are exactly correct.
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Post by knapplc on Jul 23, 2020 11:55:37 GMT -5
Yup, you too. Your view from Lincoln makes it abundantly clear how wildly incompatible the approaches are in different places, and why a fall season is not feasible and won't happen. Since nothing has really changed in the last four months, college sports are off the table pending a vaccine. See you in the Spring (maybe) or Fall '21 (more likely). Speculation now turns to what happens to this years seniors next fall. With a large and talented freshman class coming in, do this year's seniors stay or go? Sure, sure. If there's no sports in the Fall, it won't be because of me or my actions or attitude. I've been wearing a mask and social distancing since March. I've been advocating masks as well. There is zero chance that video wasn't made without the express authorization of the Athletic Department, Nebraska health officials and following local guidelines. But it's more fun to get mad online than think rationally about how such a video could safely be made, so here we are. Because if you truly think there's zero chance that they could isolate, test, and control their inner circle to the degree that they can safely make a video like you're complaining about, you're saying there's no chance for a season this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 12:00:10 GMT -5
Sorry, no. They CAN cancel any NCAA-sponsored championship ANY time. Emmert saying they would cancel those sports 'today', if they were making that call (which is significant when they're, in fact, making that decision in two weeks) is absolutely an indication that cancellation is more than a possibility. And, quite clearly, the intent of that message was a warning. 'Prepare yourself', 'Help prevent the spread' etc. Diminishing it with 'careful' word selection is just fiddling while Rome burns. It isn't cancelled until it's cancelled. Until it is, they can, but we don't know that they will. They will move heaven and earth to play sports this Fall because they know the consequences of not playing are dozens if not hundreds of programs being cut. But you didn't say they "can" cancel and I didn't say they "will" . You said there is "no indication". An indication occurs BEFORE something happens. So, if it makes you feel better to say "there's no decision that they will cancel fall sports" - fine, I guess. But there have absolutely been indications.
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Post by knapplc on Jul 23, 2020 12:01:47 GMT -5
It isn't cancelled until it's cancelled. Until it is, they can, but we don't know that they will. They will move heaven and earth to play sports this Fall because they know the consequences of not playing are dozens if not hundreds of programs being cut. But you didn't say they "can" cancel and I didn't say they "will" . You said there is "no indication". An indication occurs BEFORE something happens. So, if it makes you feel better to say "there's no decision that they will cancel fall sports" - fine, I guess. But there have absolutely been indications. Is this what we're doing today? Really?
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 23, 2020 12:02:11 GMT -5
Yup, you too. Your view from Lincoln makes it abundantly clear how wildly incompatible the approaches are in different places, and why a fall season is not feasible and won't happen. Since nothing has really changed in the last four months, college sports are off the table pending a vaccine. See you in the Spring (maybe) or Fall '21 (more likely). Speculation now turns to what happens to this years seniors next fall. With a large and talented freshman class coming in, do this year's seniors stay or go? Sure, sure. If there's no sports in the Fall, it won't be because of me or my actions or attitude. I've been wearing a mask and social distancing since March. I've been advocating masks as well. To be abundantly clear, I never said it was because of you personally, but rather because of what you are reporting in Lincoln from your view.
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Post by knapplc on Jul 23, 2020 12:05:44 GMT -5
Sure, sure. If there's no sports in the Fall, it won't be because of me or my actions or attitude. I've been wearing a mask and social distancing since March. I've been advocating masks as well. To be abundantly clear, I never said it was because of you personally, but rather because of what you are reporting in Lincoln from your view. Maybe let's not base our thoughts on some rando's anecdotal observations from Lincoln, NE and wait and see what the decision-makers actually do.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 23, 2020 12:08:49 GMT -5
To be abundantly clear, I never said it was because of you personally, but rather because of what you are reporting in Lincoln from your view. Maybe let's not base our thoughts on some rando's anecdotal observations from Lincoln, NE and wait and see what the decision-makers actually do. But you are now officially my 3rd best source for VB info out of Lincoln. I am relying on your rando anecdotal observations to balance out what I am hearing from the other two (which is not good).
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Post by knapplc on Jul 23, 2020 12:10:48 GMT -5
Maybe let's not base our thoughts on some rando's anecdotal observations from Lincoln, NE and wait and see what the decision-makers actually do. But you are now officially my 3rd best source for VB info out of Lincoln. I am relying on your rando anecdotal observations to balance out what I am hearing from the other two (which is not good). Well, now I'm blushing.
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Post by ilikecorn on Jul 23, 2020 12:12:41 GMT -5
You should wear a mask if for no other reason than that there are some pretty cool, fashionable masks out now. "As you wish." Anybody want a peanut?
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 23, 2020 12:59:34 GMT -5
Personnally i dont wear a mask much but i make a point to socially distance from elderly,more so than required, cuz their the ones at risk, not college students. You should wear a mask if for no other reason than that there are some pretty cool, fashionable masks out now. Why the picture of Pierre Despereaux?
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 23, 2020 14:06:33 GMT -5
Really at this point CV19 has gotten political. It should not be but it is. It’s so true.
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Post by rjaege on Jul 24, 2020 5:42:12 GMT -5
Really at this point CV19 has gotten political. It should not be but it is. It’s so true. Again not volleyball related, but i disagree that cv19 response should not be political. Rather it has to be because decisions on how to respond to the virus outbreak have to be made and that by definition is a political decision. Health officials recommend, elected officials make the final call and have the authority to do that. Even if u gave all response decisions to the health officials they dont all agree, so you would have politics amongst them...cant escape it...just my way of making a plea to get back to volleyball, which with all the uncertainty about the 2020 season is kind of hard. Maybe I just need to fishing or better yet just go live off the grid for a bit. BTW I worked for +30yrs as a public agency environmental and health technical employee. Plenty of politics in the "science". Different people interpret the data differently and have different opinions on how best to proceed. The smartest tend to realize they are not always right and temper their convictions but that's not "in" today.
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Post by rjaege on Jul 24, 2020 5:43:48 GMT -5
Again not volleyball related, but i disagree that cv19 response should not be political. Rather it has to be because decisions on how to respond to the virus outbreak have to be made and that by definition is a political decision. Health officials recommend, elected officials make the final call and have the authority to do that. Even if u gave all response decisions to the health officials they dont all agree, so you have politics amongst them...cant escape it. Just my way of making a plea to get back to volleyball, which with all the uncertainty about the 2020 season is kind of hard. Maybe I just need to fishing or better yet just go live off the grid for a bit. BTW I worked for +30yrs as a public agency environmental and health technical employee. Plenty of politics in the "science". Different people interpret the data differently and have different opinions on how best to proceed. The smartest tend to realize they are not always right and temper their convictions but that's not "in" today.
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