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Post by texastothehouse15 on Dec 25, 2019 0:45:16 GMT -5
All I’m saying is if Ms Parra can pass y’all better make room for her all 6 rotations. I agree🙌
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Post by szandana on Dec 28, 2019 14:02:59 GMT -5
Do you think Mr. Elliott has gotten over his thing for small setters yet? After all, he had the perfect opportunity to run a 6-2 this year. Elliott, under the guise of seeming to use a match up substitution with Molly for Jhenna, still was not effective. It was just the old bring in Mirta for Chloe substitution because something had to be done. In fairness to Jhenna, far to many bad first touches made her sets difficult to make. She did make a few amazing reverse flow sets in the Louisville match. They got some rare one on ones for Texas. Then, the high reception passes caused Jhenna to make many trap sets resulting in the famous Texas tip to a free ball. Now, Noreen Iosia, a senior, might have a talk with her sister and recommend she has a talk with Robyn in Hawaii. Robyn is proving herself quite a coach. Ohana is a powerful force in Hawaii. Might ruin hopes for getting Texas out of their first touch rut. I don't think a small setter is the issue...Gabriel's setting was just way too tight vs. Louisville. I thought overall she was head and shoulders better than Shook and that she had a really good year. 6-2s are great in theory but rarely work all that well. They basically eliminate slide attacks and hitters have to adjust to two different setters. Shook and Gabriel appear to be very different too in their setting style. Wouldn't be surprised if Cabello comes in and wins the position, but I don't think it's set in stone. A small setter is always an issue. That's why teams with small setters running a true 5-1 don't win championships! Jhenna's multiple trap sets against Louisville were due to the never ending Longhorn weak first touch. That compounds the Texas lack of consistent high level play. Ashley scores, covers, and blocks better than Jhenna. Better court vision she has.
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 28, 2019 17:21:19 GMT -5
I don't think a small setter is the issue...Gabriel's setting was just way too tight vs. Louisville. I thought overall she was head and shoulders better than Shook and that she had a really good year. 6-2s are great in theory but rarely work all that well. They basically eliminate slide attacks and hitters have to adjust to two different setters. Shook and Gabriel appear to be very different too in their setting style. Wouldn't be surprised if Cabello comes in and wins the position, but I don't think it's set in stone. A small setter is always an issue. That's why teams with small setters running a true 5-1 don't win championships! Jhenna's multiple trap sets against Louisville were due to the never ending Longhorn weak first touch. That compounds the Texas lack of consistent high level play. Ashley scores, covers, and blocks better than Jhenna. Better court vision she has. Jhenna sets a lot better though and is much quicker. She also jousts well and consistently puts her hitters in better spots than Shook did. Theres a reason why she beat out Shook and has held the starting spot ever since. And Penn State won in 2010 with a 5-6 setter. Texas came close a couple of times with Collins too. It can be done.
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Post by horns1 on Dec 28, 2019 19:13:14 GMT -5
Let's be real; some posters on here only like to harp on the negative. Nothing is ever good enough; and, rarely do they post a single positive thing about Texas volleyball coaches or players; proof is in their posting history. Luckily, they don't post much during the season when things are going well; they post only after a disappointing post-season loss; so, we don't have to deal with them that much.
Back when Coach Elliott first took over at Texas, folks were excited that Texas had 6'2 setter Jenni Andrew waiting to be that "tall" starting setter. One year after starting, she was beaten out by incoming freshman, 5'10 Michelle Moriarty. Moriarty was probably the best setter at Texas the last 15 years, and an All-American. After Moriarty graduated in 2007, we had incoming freshman, 5'10 Michelle Kocher inherit the starting job; she led Texas to its first Final Four since 1995. While most expected 6'2 Ashely Engle to be the setter for Texas in 2008 and 2009, Texas really needed her passing and ball control in the back row, leaving Kocher to set in 2008 in a 5-1 offense. So, even though Engle got to set some in 2009 in the modified 5-2 offense, she was never a pure setter for Texas. 2010 brought 5'11 setter Hannah Allison; injuries contributed to Kocher and Allison both setting some in 2010, but still managed to lead Texas to a Final Four despite being the #9 national seed. Hannah and Michelle both set in the 5-2 offense early in 2011, but eventually Hannah took control in a 5-1 offense; she had some issues (maybe mental) with also trapping hitters in pressure matches. But, in 2012, she found her groove; 6'2 freshman Nicole Dalton also set some for Texas. 2013 brought in 5'6 Chloe Collins; Texas tried again with a 5-2 offense, but eventually returned to a 5-1 offense. When Allison departed after 2013, Texas used the 5-2 offense all season in 2014 with Dalton and Collins setting. In 2015 and 2016, the 5'6 Chloe Collins led Texas to national runner-up finishes. 2017 saw 6'1 Ashley Shook take the reigns as the starting setter; and, that year ended in the Elite 8. 2018 saw Cook start the season at setter, but lose her staring job to 5'6 freshman Jhenna Gabriel. Summer 2019 was supposed to be a competition between Gabriel and Cook for the starting setter job; but, Shook's injury took her out of the running come August.
The point of the above is that Texas has NOT had a setter above 5'11 who was able to do all that a setter needs to do on the court. Some hoping for a "tall" starting setter can continue to hope; Gabriel does so many things well despite her short stature. We'll see if 6'1 Naomi Cabello can match all those intangibles that Gabriel brings, and more in order to win the starting setter job. Or, perhaps Shook improves in certain areas and wins the starting setter spot her senior season at Texas.
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 28, 2019 21:36:34 GMT -5
Let's be real; some posters on here only like to harp on the negative. Nothing is ever good enough; and, rarely do they post a single positive thing about Texas volleyball coaches or players; proof is in their posting history. Luckily, they don't post much during the season when things are going well; they post only after a disappointing post-season loss; so, we don't have to deal with them that much. Back when Coach Elliott first took over at Texas, folks were excited that Texas had 6'2 setter Jenni Andrew waiting to be that "tall" starting setter. One year after starting, she was beaten out by incoming freshman, 5'10 Michelle Moriarty. Moriarty was probably the best setter at Texas the last 15 years, and an All-American. After Moriarty graduated in 2007, we had incoming freshman, 5'10 Michelle Kocher inherit the starting job; she led Texas to its first Final Four since 1995. While most expected 6'2 Ashely Engle to be the setter for Texas in 2008 and 2009, Texas really needed her passing and ball control in the back row, leaving Kocher to set in 2008 in a 5-1 offense. So, even though Engle got to set some in 2009 in the modified 5-2 offense, she was never a pure setter for Texas. 2010 brought 5'11 setter Hannah Allison; injuries contributed to Kocher and Allison both setting some in 2010, but still managed to lead Texas to a Final Four despite being the #9 national seed. Hannah and Michelle both set in the 5-2 offense early in 2011, but eventually Hannah took control in a 5-1 offense; she had some issues (maybe mental) with also trapping hitters in pressure matches. But, in 2012, she found her groove; 6'2 freshman Nicole Dalton also set some for Texas. 2013 brought in 5'6 Chloe Collins; Texas tried again with a 5-2 offense, but eventually returned to a 5-1 offense. When Allison departed after 2013, Texas used the 5-2 offense all season in 2014 with Dalton and Collins setting. In 2015 and 2016, the 5'6 Chloe Collins led Texas to national runner-up finishes. 2017 saw 6'1 Ashley Shook take the reigns as the starting setter; and, that year ended in the Elite 8. 2018 saw Cook start the season at setter, but lose her staring job to 5'6 freshman Jhenna Gabriel. Summer 2019 was supposed to be a competition between Gabriel and Cook for the starting setter job; but, Shook's injury took her out of the running come August. The point of the above is that Texas has NOT had a setter above 5'11 who was able to do all that a setter needs to do on the court. Some hoping for a "tall" starting setter can continue to hope; Gabriel does so many things well despite her short stature. We'll see if 6'1 Naomi Cabello can match all those intangibles that Gabriel brings, and more in order to win the starting setter job. Or, perhaps Shook improves in certain areas and wins the starting setter spot her senior season at Texas. Great post. Engle was such a stud for Texas....she's one who often gets overlooked during that era in favor of other standouts like the PSU clan, Larson, Pavan, Hooker, Foluke, Klineman, Barboza, etc. but she was immensely good all 4 years. Pretty sure she was actually event taller, listed as 6-3 or 6-4, but I can't recall many other players of her size being able to do truly EVERYTHING at a high level aside from Kerri Walsh. Top spin jump serve, great ball control, good defender, put up a big block and was an outstanding hitter on the right. Not to mention she was a strong setter and ran a 5-1 to start the 2009 season and was potent attacking on 2. There have been other players hyped up as true S/RS players like Plummer and Broekhuis but I don't think there's been anyone who was excellent in all areas like Engle was.
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Post by Kingsley on Dec 28, 2019 21:59:19 GMT -5
Let's be real; some posters on here only like to harp on the negative. Nothing is ever good enough; and, rarely do they post a single positive thing about Texas volleyball coaches or players; proof is in their posting history. Luckily, they don't post much during the season when things are going well; they post only after a disappointing post-season loss; so, we don't have to deal with them that much. Back when Coach Elliott first took over at Texas, folks were excited that Texas had 6'2 setter Jenni Andrew waiting to be that "tall" starting setter. One year after starting, she was beaten out by incoming freshman, 5'10 Michelle Moriarty. Moriarty was probably the best setter at Texas the last 15 years, and an All-American. After Moriarty graduated in 2007, we had incoming freshman, 5'10 Michelle Kocher inherit the starting job; she led Texas to its first Final Four since 1995. While most expected 6'2 Ashely Engle to be the setter for Texas in 2008 and 2009, Texas really needed her passing and ball control in the back row, leaving Kocher to set in 2008 in a 5-1 offense. So, even though Engle got to set some in 2009 in the modified 5-2 offense, she was never a pure setter for Texas. 2010 brought 5'11 setter Hannah Allison; injuries contributed to Kocher and Allison both setting some in 2010, but still managed to lead Texas to a Final Four despite being the #9 national seed. Hannah and Michelle both set in the 5-2 offense early in 2011, but eventually Hannah took control in a 5-1 offense; she had some issues (maybe mental) with also trapping hitters in pressure matches. But, in 2012, she found her groove; 6'2 freshman Nicole Dalton also set some for Texas. 2013 brought in 5'6 Chloe Collins; Texas tried again with a 5-2 offense, but eventually returned to a 5-1 offense. When Allison departed after 2013, Texas used the 5-2 offense all season in 2014 with Dalton and Collins setting. In 2015 and 2016, the 5'6 Chloe Collins led Texas to national runner-up finishes. 2017 saw 6'1 Ashley Shook take the reigns as the starting setter; and, that year ended in the Elite 8. 2018 saw Cook start the season at setter, but lose her staring job to 5'6 freshman Jhenna Gabriel. Summer 2019 was supposed to be a competition between Gabriel and Cook for the starting setter job; but, Shook's injury took her out of the running come August. The point of the above is that Texas has NOT had a setter above 5'11 who was able to do all that a setter needs to do on the court. Some hoping for a "tall" starting setter can continue to hope; Gabriel does so many things well despite her short stature. We'll see if 6'1 Naomi Cabello can match all those intangibles that Gabriel brings, and more in order to win the starting setter job. Or, perhaps Shook improves in certain areas and wins the starting setter spot her senior season at Texas. Great post. Engle was such a stud for Texas....she's one who often gets overlooked during that era in favor of other standouts like the PSU clan, Larson, Pavan, Hooker, Foluke, Klineman, Barboza, etc. but she was immensely good all 4 years. Pretty sure she was actually event taller, listed as 6-3 or 6-4, but I can't recall many other players of her size being able to do truly EVERYTHING at a high level aside from Kerri Walsh. Top spin jump serve, great ball control, good defender, put up a big block and was an outstanding hitter on the right. Not to mention she was a strong setter and ran a 5-1 to start the 2009 season and was potent attacking on 2. There have been other players hyped up as true S/RS players like Plummer and Broekhuis but I don't think there's been anyone who was excellent in all areas like Engle was. Here’s a great look at Engle running the 5-1. Super aggressive. Love it.
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 28, 2019 22:37:58 GMT -5
Great post. Engle was such a stud for Texas....she's one who often gets overlooked during that era in favor of other standouts like the PSU clan, Larson, Pavan, Hooker, Foluke, Klineman, Barboza, etc. but she was immensely good all 4 years. Pretty sure she was actually event taller, listed as 6-3 or 6-4, but I can't recall many other players of her size being able to do truly EVERYTHING at a high level aside from Kerri Walsh. Top spin jump serve, great ball control, good defender, put up a big block and was an outstanding hitter on the right. Not to mention she was a strong setter and ran a 5-1 to start the 2009 season and was potent attacking on 2. There have been other players hyped up as true S/RS players like Plummer and Broekhuis but I don't think there's been anyone who was excellent in all areas like Engle was. Here’s a great look at Engle running the 5-1. Super aggressive. Love it. Good stuff. That was such a good team. Hooked, Engle, Adams, Faucette, and Kisner who was outstanding at libero. Gave Penn State their biggest test during their 100+ match streak.
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Post by bball on Dec 28, 2019 23:19:01 GMT -5
Great post. Engle was such a stud for Texas....she's one who often gets overlooked during that era in favor of other standouts like the PSU clan, Larson, Pavan, Hooker, Foluke, Klineman, Barboza, etc. but she was immensely good all 4 years. Pretty sure she was actually event taller, listed as 6-3 or 6-4, but I can't recall many other players of her size being able to do truly EVERYTHING at a high level aside from Kerri Walsh. Top spin jump serve, great ball control, good defender, put up a big block and was an outstanding hitter on the right. Not to mention she was a strong setter and ran a 5-1 to start the 2009 season and was potent attacking on 2. There have been other players hyped up as true S/RS players like Plummer and Broekhuis but I don't think there's been anyone who was excellent in all areas like Engle was. Here’s a great look at Engle running the 5-1. Super aggressive. Love it. 2009 Texas... one of the best teams OF ALL TIME
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Post by raisethebar on Dec 28, 2019 23:42:58 GMT -5
Let's be real; some posters on here only like to harp on the negative. Nothing is ever good enough; and, rarely do they post a single positive thing about Texas volleyball coaches or players; proof is in their posting history. Luckily, they don't post much during the season when things are going well; they post only after a disappointing post-season loss; so, we don't have to deal with them that much. Back when Coach Elliott first took over at Texas, folks were excited that Texas had 6'2 setter Jenni Andrew waiting to be that "tall" starting setter. One year after starting, she was beaten out by incoming freshman, 5'10 Michelle Moriarty. Moriarty was probably the best setter at Texas the last 15 years, and an All-American. After Moriarty graduated in 2007, we had incoming freshman, 5'10 Michelle Kocher inherit the starting job; she led Texas to its first Final Four since 1995. While most expected 6'2 Ashely Engle to be the setter for Texas in 2008 and 2009, Texas really needed her passing and ball control in the back row, leaving Kocher to set in 2008 in a 5-1 offense. So, even though Engle got to set some in 2009 in the modified 5-2 offense, she was never a pure setter for Texas. 2010 brought 5'11 setter Hannah Allison; injuries contributed to Kocher and Allison both setting some in 2010, but still managed to lead Texas to a Final Four despite being the #9 national seed. Hannah and Michelle both set in the 5-2 offense early in 2011, but eventually Hannah took control in a 5-1 offense; she had some issues (maybe mental) with also trapping hitters in pressure matches. But, in 2012, she found her groove; 6'2 freshman Nicole Dalton also set some for Texas. 2013 brought in 5'6 Chloe Collins; Texas tried again with a 5-2 offense, but eventually returned to a 5-1 offense. When Allison departed after 2013, Texas used the 5-2 offense all season in 2014 with Dalton and Collins setting. In 2015 and 2016, the 5'6 Chloe Collins led Texas to national runner-up finishes. 2017 saw 6'1 Ashley Shook take the reigns as the starting setter; and, that year ended in the Elite 8. 2018 saw Cook start the season at setter, but lose her staring job to 5'6 freshman Jhenna Gabriel. Summer 2019 was supposed to be a competition between Gabriel and Cook for the starting setter job; but, Shook's injury took her out of the running come August. The point of the above is that Texas has NOT had a setter above 5'11 who was able to do all that a setter needs to do on the court. Some hoping for a "tall" starting setter can continue to hope; Gabriel does so many things well despite her short stature. We'll see if 6'1 Naomi Cabello can match all those intangibles that Gabriel brings, and more in order to win the starting setter job. Or, perhaps Shook improves in certain areas and wins the starting setter spot her senior season at Texas. Michelle Moriarty!! 🙌🏽 Engel 🙌🏽🙌🏽 Two of the most underrated Texas players. Engel running a 5-1 was money but due to Faucette's faulty passing that was changed to a 6-2. Had Faucette kept her freshman form Texas would have taken that 2009 national title.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Dec 30, 2019 21:11:13 GMT -5
Questions on this thread about the teams from the 90's:
1) Did one of Kocher or Kisner transfer out to....maybe Alabama for her junior year?
2) Wasn't Engle an OH for 2 years before being converted to setter by Jerritt?
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Post by rodbcantu on Dec 31, 2019 23:19:48 GMT -5
Questions on this thread about the teams from the 90's:
1) Did one of Kocher or Kisner transfer out to....maybe Alabama for her junior year?
2) Wasn't Engle an OH for 2 years before being converted to setter by Jerritt?
you’re talking about a DS who transferred out. I forget what their name is but they serve in the 5th set of the 2009 championship match once... I think it was Arenas. Both of those players played until their senior year. Also... did anyone see how Naomi and Nalani played tonight in the all American game?
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Post by utexrulz23 on Jan 1, 2020 11:09:31 GMT -5
Questions on this thread about the teams from the 90's: 1) Did one of Kocher or Kisner transfer out to....maybe Alabama for her junior year? 2) Wasn't Engle an OH for 2 years before being converted to setter by Jerritt?
Was that Alabama transfer Arenas?
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Jan 1, 2020 11:49:40 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the avca under armour all american game??
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Post by Longhorn20 on Jan 1, 2020 12:04:53 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the avca under armour all american game?? I did. Cabello looked good. She was the only full time setter on her team so she played the entire match. I read somewhere she finished with 36 assists and 9 digs which are great numbers for an all star game. There were a few times she set too low or tight, but that’s to be expected when you have 2 practices together before playing. She bump set a lot out of system though so I’m hoping with some training this Spring she can get her hands on a few more of those. She also had one double called. Iosia also looked good. I’d say judging by this game her defense is better than her reception game but neither looked bad by any means. Great second setter and has a nasty serve (even when she has to float it - which she did). I think whoever takes the libero spot next year will be who can receive serve consistently at a higher level because they (Iosia and Petersen) seem similar in their defensive level.
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Jan 1, 2020 12:32:22 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the avca under armour all american game?? I did. Cabello looked good. She was the only full time setter on her team so she played the entire match. I read somewhere she finished with 36 assists and 9 digs which are great numbers for an all star game. There were a few times she set too low or tight, but that’s to be expected when you have 2 practices together before playing. She bump set a lot out of system though so I’m hoping with some training this Spring she can get her hands on a few more of those. She also had one double called. Iosia also looked good. I’d say judging by this game her defense is better than her reception game but neither looked bad by any means. Great second setter and has a nasty serve (even when she has to float it - which she did). I think whoever takes the libero spot next year will be who can receive serve consistently at a higher level because they (Iosia and Petersen) seem similar in their defensive level. Do you know if there is anyway to rewatch the game? I dont know if flo volleyball has replays available or not
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