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Post by secgator4 on Jun 25, 2020 18:03:12 GMT -5
Rotation 5 OH: Hall MB: King S: Hendrickson DS/OH: Hammons - serving L: McKissock DS: Cerame/Fischer Rotation 6OH: Hall MB: Dooley S: Hendrickson DS/OH: Hammons L: McKissock - serving specialist will be used in this rotation, which will be key since it's our weakest offensive rotation (or at least it was in 2019) DS: Cerame/Fischer These two rotations are why a 5-2 is unlikely imo. Offensively they're too weak. Not to mention that Cesar passing in ro 2 & 3 might be an issue. You'd be better off running a 6-2, either with Hall & Hammons both 6-Ro OHs and Cesar & Carlton at OPP OR if you don't like Hammons front row, Cesar plays OH2 front row and Hammons plays back row, with Warner & Carlton OPP. That way you don't have a DS - neither of Florida's DSs played well in 2019 and you can keep a more offensive line up. Ofc if Cesar can't pass, Hammons needs to be on the floor all the way around. All of that said, Birdie is much better defensively than I think most people are expecting. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she's running a 5-1 by the end of the season. Those 2 rotations would occur in a 5-1 too. As in 1 MB and 1 OH with a setter in the front row. If anything, it's better to have a taller setter (Hendrickson) in the front row when you only have 2 offensive options. Ceasar should have no problem passing for 2 rotations from what I understand of her. But yeah, I know you were comparing it to a 6-2, which is also easily plausible with the firepower. We've had 3 different systems in the last 3 years so it'll be interesting to see where Wise lands.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 18:15:42 GMT -5
Ceasar should have no problem passing for 2 rotations from what I understand of her. What do you know of her? I've watched her passing from 2018 and posted her stats from that year above. How much better is she now than that 44% good pass year?
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Jun 25, 2020 21:32:17 GMT -5
Caesar is playing OH and she can pass just fine! Can you express 'fine' numerically? Hammons was Florida's best passer in 2019 with a good pass % of 61.1%. The next best player that is still on the roster was Hall at 53.8%. Gregory was 58%. Last time Cesar passed (2018) she recorded a good pass percentage of 44.3%. Fine is her passing ability when you compare her hitting stats to that of Hammons. Big upgrade offensively
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 21:41:07 GMT -5
Can you express 'fine' numerically? Hammons was Florida's best passer in 2019 with a good pass % of 61.1%. The next best player that is still on the roster was Hall at 53.8%. Gregory was 58%. Last time Cesar passed (2018) she recorded a good pass percentage of 44.3%. Fine is her passing ability when you compare her hitting stats to that of Hammons. Big upgrade offensively Well, of course, there is an acceptable threshold for a trade-off of termination vs ball control. But did you know that Cesar was a 44% passer on her last season at OH? Do you know what happens offensively, when you trade 61% good pass for 44%? It doesn't necessarily result in the "big upgrade" you're anticipating.
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Post by secgator4 on Jun 26, 2020 0:05:32 GMT -5
Ceasar should have no problem passing for 2 rotations from what I understand of her. What do you know of her? I've watched her passing from 2018 and posted her stats from that year above. How much better is she now than that 44% good pass year? 2 years, a new coaching staff and more collegiate national team = presumably that much better. We'd ask her to pass for 2 rotations where she'd likely be the target, instead of 6 like at UGA where she had to also balance being the primary offensive threat in basically every rotation. That's a lot of added pressure in addition to being a 6 rotation OH. We won't need her to do all that. She can focus on her front row offense and passing for 2 rotations. T'ara's going to be a star for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 0:14:33 GMT -5
What do you know of her? I've watched her passing from 2018 and posted her stats from that year above. How much better is she now than that 44% good pass year? 2 years, a new coaching staff and more collegiate national team = presumably that much better. We'd ask her to pass for 2 rotations where she'd likely be the target, instead of 6 like at UGA where she had to also balance being the primary offensive threat in basically every rotation. That's a lot of added pressure in addition to being a 6 rotation OH. We won't need her to do all that. She can focus on her front row offense and passing for 2 rotations. T'ara's going to be a star for us. Do you know how many balls she passed at that CNT tryout? Or even what position she was playing in Colorado?
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Post by secgator4 on Jun 26, 2020 0:17:50 GMT -5
2 years, a new coaching staff and more collegiate national team = presumably that much better. We'd ask her to pass for 2 rotations where she'd likely be the target, instead of 6 like at UGA where she had to also balance being the primary offensive threat in basically every rotation. That's a lot of added pressure in addition to being a 6 rotation OH. We won't need her to do all that. She can focus on her front row offense and passing for 2 rotations. T'ara's going to be a star for us. Do you know how many balls she passed at that CNT tryout? Or even what position she was playing in Colorado? Outside Hitter, her position. You don't make any national team roster as an outside without showing competence passing a fair amount of balls, but no I don't have the exact number lol.
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Post by Upfrontvb on Jun 26, 2020 0:55:48 GMT -5
What do you know of her? I've watched her passing from 2018 and posted her stats from that year above. How much better is she now than that 44% good pass year? 2 years, a new coaching staff and more collegiate national team = presumably that much better. We'd ask her to pass for 2 rotations where she'd likely be the target, instead of 6 like at UGA where she had to also balance being the primary offensive threat in basically every rotation. That's a lot of added pressure in addition to being a 6 rotation OH. We won't need her to do all that. She can focus on her front row offense and passing for 2 rotations. T'ara's going to be a star for us. My input is that Caesar is a 6 rotation player. She is good defensive player who is good at resetting to then hit.
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Post by nevball17 on Jun 26, 2020 8:12:08 GMT -5
2 years, a new coaching staff and more collegiate national team = presumably that much better. We'd ask her to pass for 2 rotations where she'd likely be the target, instead of 6 like at UGA where she had to also balance being the primary offensive threat in basically every rotation. That's a lot of added pressure in addition to being a 6 rotation OH. We won't need her to do all that. She can focus on her front row offense and passing for 2 rotations. T'ara's going to be a star for us. My input is that Caesar is a 6 rotation player. She is good defensive player who is good at resetting to then hit. Agree. Caesar is 6 rotations and she hits better out of the back row than Hammons. She may be even a bigger back row weapon than Hall. I watched her at USA try outs and thought she was stellar. I think the time with Florida has really improved her skill set. I can't imagine that they don't find a way for her to be on the court.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 11:04:36 GMT -5
My input is that Caesar is a 6 rotation player. She is good defensive player who is good at resetting to then hit. Agree. Caesar is 6 rotations and she hits better out of the back row than Hammons. She may be even a bigger back row weapon than Hall. I watched her at USA try outs and thought she was stellar. I think the time with Florida has really improved her skill set. I can't imagine that they don't find a way for her to be on the court. She is definitely more offensive than Hammons but I think some are undervaluing Hammons passing. In 2019 Gregory was able to shade to Hall in SR because Hammons is such a strong passer, and because Hall was usually the serving target. If Ceasar is playing 6-Ro Mckissock will likely have to shade towards her, leaving Hall with less help. Given that everyone has been lacking touches so far this year, changing a SR unit that was very good last year, and removing a great passer for a weaker one (we agree on that right?) might be weaker. I'm not saying WILL... I'm saying might. I'm also certainly not saying Ceasar CAN'T play 6-rotations and her firepower will definitely see the floor but I don't believe her passing is going to be better than the 61% from Hammons in 2019 over the course of a year, so I'd temper expectations to the extent that SR might become more of an issue than it was last year. Ultimately, it's a good problem to have; more options are better than less options and the Gators will have more options than 2019.
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Post by nevball17 on Jun 26, 2020 11:58:59 GMT -5
Agree. Caesar is 6 rotations and she hits better out of the back row than Hammons. She may be even a bigger back row weapon than Hall. I watched her at USA try outs and thought she was stellar. I think the time with Florida has really improved her skill set. I can't imagine that they don't find a way for her to be on the court. She is definitely more offensive than Hammons but I think some are undervaluing Hammons passing. In 2019 Gregory was able to shade to Hall in SR because Hammons is such a strong passer, and because Hall was usually the serving target. If Ceasar is playing 6-Ro Mckissock will likely have to shade towards her, leaving Hall with less help. Given that everyone has been lacking touches so far this year, changing a SR unit that was very good last year, and removing a great passer for a weaker one (we agree on that right?) might be weaker. I'm not saying WILL... I'm saying might. I'm also certainly not saying Ceasar CAN'T play 6-rotations and her firepower will definitely see the floor but I don't believe her passing is going to be better than the 61% from Hammons in 2019 over the course of a year, so I'd temper expectations to the extent that SR might become more of an issue than it was last year. Ultimately, it's a good problem to have; more options are better than less options and the Gators will have more options than 2019. Totally agree but with the loss of Kramer, the inconsistency of Carlton, and Hammons not always being able to provide the offense needed (just rewatched the Minnesota match yesterday), I think T'ara becomes so necessary. I would like to see Florida use their right side DS to anchor reception. They used that position in reception occasionally last year but really only when Soko was in during the absence of Hall or when Paige was struggling offensively. I think Mary needs to prioritize that DS as a passing DS to give Hall/Ceasar a reception break. Florida needs to find more offense and the only path I see to do that is to have T'ara on the floor as much as possible. I actually would love to see her take a go on the right side but I think that is unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 12:15:01 GMT -5
She is definitely more offensive than Hammons but I think some are undervaluing Hammons passing. In 2019 Gregory was able to shade to Hall in SR because Hammons is such a strong passer, and because Hall was usually the serving target. If Ceasar is playing 6-Ro Mckissock will likely have to shade towards her, leaving Hall with less help. Given that everyone has been lacking touches so far this year, changing a SR unit that was very good last year, and removing a great passer for a weaker one (we agree on that right?) might be weaker. I'm not saying WILL... I'm saying might. I'm also certainly not saying Ceasar CAN'T play 6-rotations and her firepower will definitely see the floor but I don't believe her passing is going to be better than the 61% from Hammons in 2019 over the course of a year, so I'd temper expectations to the extent that SR might become more of an issue than it was last year. Ultimately, it's a good problem to have; more options are better than less options and the Gators will have more options than 2019. Totally agree but with the loss of Kramer, the inconsistency of Carlton, and Hammons not always being able to provide the offense needed (just rewatched the Minnesota match yesterday), I think T'ara becomes so necessary. I would like to see Florida use their right side DS to anchor reception. They used that position in reception occasionally last year but really only when Soko was in during the absence of Hall or when Paige was struggling offensively. I think Mary needs to prioritize that DS as a passing DS to give Hall/Ceasar a reception break. Florida needs to find more offense and the only path I see to do that is to have T'ara on the floor as much as possible. I actually would love to see her take a go on the right side but I think that is unlikely. I definitely think Ceasar sees the floor. But I think you guys are missing the value of someone who passed a 2.31 and a 61.1% good pass percentage over the season. A good offense starts with good passing. UF doesn't have any great ball control DSs. Hammons might end up as a DS, but a lot depends on Ceasar's passing. It'll be interesting to see how much she has improved.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 14:02:16 GMT -5
Seems like the only person we are sure of that is on everyone’s starting line up is Hall lol
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Post by secgator4 on Jun 27, 2020 18:54:52 GMT -5
Seems like the only person we are sure of that is on everyone’s starting line up is Hall lol And Dooley
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Post by secgator4 on Jun 27, 2020 18:56:03 GMT -5
If you haven't posted your starting lineups yet, post em. We can see what system and players see the court on opening day.
I'm sticking with the 5-2 I posted on page 16.
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